• lemmychatwitpeeps@lemmy.ml
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          Being a bit hyperbolic. The kernel of truth is that the women filtering themselves out of the conservative dating pool are doing those men a favor.

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            I wish the rest of the conservatives would agree with you, but here they are banging on about ‘women shouldn’t be able to divorce their husbands’ and whining online about ‘the great replacement’ because we don’t want to fuck them

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            It’s the other way round mate

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        Lol, I swear - “you’re taking our rights “ I’m not sure what rights they’re bitching about but I’m assuming it’s abortion this time. To take away your abortion rights someone has to be willing to nut inside you first.

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      This has to be a joke right? What kind of opinion piece is this? I swear the left is just as intellectually bankrupt as the right.

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        Sounds like you’re suffering from an acute case of ‘feels before reals’ to me.

        Not particularly surprising or shocking that women are less likely to date men who vote conservative. Ignoring the simple fact that the data suggests America is becoming less tolerant of intolerance, and that conservatives are increasingly out of step with majority opinion, the recent abortion thing is a real lady boner killer, as is making excuses for a convicted sex offender.

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          Sounds like you’re suffering from an acute case of ‘feels before reals’ to me.

          Says the people that say that trans men have no advantage in women’s sports? I think you’re projecting here.

          Not particularly surprising or shocking that women are less likely to date men who vote conservative.

          What data is there to prove that? Nothing. Even if that were true, I would be glad that they don’t get hoes that sleep around with other guys.

          making excuses for a convicted sex offender.

          That is funny coming from the folk that support MAPs.

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            1. Straw man. I never said trans men have no advantage. Keep to the topic at hand, rather than trying to go on a tangent. It’s transparent, and many will assume you’re doing it because you know you can’t win the argument.

            2. Conservative guys complain about women not wanting to date them. People date people they share values with.

            3. Assuming non-conservative women are all ‘whores’ who sleep around is incel nonsense. If they’re choosing not to date conservative men, a large proportion of men, if anything they’re being selective. The opposite of being promiscuous. Data also suggests young women have less sex than previous generations. Most sex happens in long term stable relationships.

            4. If you assume the rest of us know what a MAP is, you’ve likely spent too much time in an echo chamber. It’s pretty weird if I’m honest, like if someone mentioned a scientology term and assumed average people knew what they were talking about.

            I would be glad

            But you’re not happy about it, are you? Be honest with yourself. You wouldn’t call them whores if you were happy about it. You would live and let live.

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              1. Brought it up because you talked about logic and I was making a point out there that most liberals believe this is the case.

              2. I agree. I don’t have any problems with people choosing to stay with who. Shared morals and values are the main reason couples stay together.

              3. That is complete nonsense. The average young woman has more pre-marital sex today with multiple partners than any previous generation. No matter where on the political spectrum.

              4. I’m pretty sure you guys know what MAPs are. If not you can look it up. They’ve been trying to be a part of the LGBT community for quite a while. Because they know their perversion will likely be accepted under the guise of ‘gay rights’. Sooner or later they will be accepted in this community. Because this whole thing is a slippery slope. Never seems to end.

              Reason I called them hoes was because pre-marital relationships are haram. Regardless if it’s a man or woman.

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                It’s a simple fact that young women are having less sex:

                https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/12/health/young-americans-less-sex-intl-scli-wellness/index.html

                https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066

                If I google MAP I don’t get any relevant results. assuming you mean paedophiles, the idea that the gay community condones paedophilia is a myth:

                https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/30/fact-check-lgbtq-community-rejects-false-association-pedophiles/5462805002/

                Also, if you’re a muslim as your username suggests, and given we know Mohammed was a paedophile by modern standards, you should perhaps spend more time worrying about your own community.

                Christian conservatives are very similar. They also obsess about the gay community harbouring paedophiles, while ignoring rampant child sexual abuse within the church.

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                  Applying ‘modern standards’ to history is called Presentism. Women back then were more mature at a younger age and developed much quicker due to the harsh circumstances. Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her) was an adult when Muhammad (ﷺ) consummated the marriage.

                  An ‘adult’ is different in every country today. The age of consent can be 18, 16, 14. Btw, in most european countries it is between 14 and 16. Austria for example has age of consent at 14. Funny enough, most Muslim countries have it between 16 and 18.

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                    Aisha was likely 9-10 when she had sex with Mohammed. That’s not me, that’s plenty of Muslim scholars. It likely isn’t a coincidence that child marriage is prevalent in the Musim world to this day.

                    Of course, like most religions, people simply ignore the bits or facts they don’t agree with even if they claim to be literalists. That’s just religion. Different flavour, same soda. Obviously you won’t agree with me on that, but we don’t need to agree on that. Just tolerate that different views on this exist.

                    What should be obvious, is that it would be entirely unfair to judge all Muslims by the paedophiles among you, and the higher prevalence of child marriages in current day Islam. I’ll leave that to Christian conservatives.

                    But it is a bit much when devout Muslims like you then decide to complain about the gays and claim they’re paedophiles. Sure, find gay sex icky, but these are invariably grown men engaging in consensual sex, from a community that has repeatedly denounced paedophilia, which if anything is far less deviant than you like to imagine. Rich gay businessmen aren’t out there marrying 9 year old cousins.

                    Women back then were more mature at a younger age

                    So you’re saying that it didn’t happen, but if it did she was ‘mature for her age’.

                    When you claim to hate gay people because they’re paedophiles, without evidence of this being prevalent, but then make excuses for paedophilia and rampant child marriage within your own community, it becomes pretty obvious you hate gay people because they’re gay and don’t actually care about age inappropriate relationships.

                    Obviously, this is going to annoy you, so we’ll leave it at that.

                    But do try to remember that tolerance goes two ways.

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            That is funny coming from the folk that support MAPs.

            I refuse to accept that you believe supporting paedophiles is a position LGBTQ people hold in any capacity

            You can only be pretending to believe that

            It is so absurd

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              I am not trolling. It is the next level LGBT will take it to. First it’s homosexuals, next is pedophiles, soon it will be incest, and maybe even bestiality might be justified. The LGBT agenda at its core just wants to promote degenaracy and break the family structure.

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                Is it really the next step? Based on what?

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                  Because there is no limits set in place. There is no morality or ethics to base off of so what is there to stop this from progressing to that level. If you claim that they do have a set of morals and ethics, what are they based off of? Arbitrary individual assessment? Whatever the majority says? What would that measuring stick be? And is that measuring stick objective?

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                    There is no morality or ethics to base off

                    Yes, there are.

                    what is there to stop this from progressing to that level.

                    The fact that they are unrelated and not in any way a logical progression. What makes you even think thete is a “next step”? What’s the plan, the end goal for The Gays?

                    2, 4, 6, 8

                    What’s next? Is it J?

                    you claim that they do have a set of morals and ethics, what are they based off of? Arbitrary individual assessment? Whatever the majority says? What would that measuring stick be? And is that measuring stick objective?

                    Human conscience.

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        Go to any online community full of incels and you’ll see they’re all conservative - and that their conservative ideals have a huge impact on how they treat women.

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          Incels have less to do with politics and more to do with personal experiences they’ve had. You’re bringing in politics where it doesn’t belong. If they start waving the LGTV flag, that still isn’t going to get them pussy.

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            Why are you asking me? Did you read what I said? Ask the incels why they repeat conservative positions in their communities.

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                Right, and I was explaining how it’s a stupid point to make here because it’s not based on what’s really going on.

                I’ve seen you commenting on a few different posts now and everytime, you are spouting things objectively in favor of bigotry and removing people’s rights based on qualities they can’t control.

                And it’s never anything based on the real world. It’s always some made up ghost that you feel like you need to fight. You really need to step outside your bubble and critically think about the things you’re saying.

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                  I don’t think you even read my reply based on how you’re responding here. I said incels are incels because of their personal experiences with women and how they’ve either been cheated on or just don’t know how to interact with women. Conservatism did not lead them to be incels. It’s the other way around.

                  Also I’m not a bigot if being gay is a choice. There are no scientific papers that conclude whether being gay is a choice or something you are born with. The “Gay Gene” is a myth and has been debunked several times. It was their decision to be gay and I’m going to criticize it because it is immoral and harmful for society. I get my morals from Divine laws not man-made laws. If by the off-chance they are born with it, then at least keep it to yourself, why promote and publicize indecency?

                  Funny you say I should step out of my bubble because unlike you, I’ve actually seen both sides of the argument. I’ve done the critical thinking and research which you refuse to do. If you step out of your bubble and fairly assess the arguments, you might learn something and reflect on why you believe what you believe instead of painting the “other” side like the boogieman.

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          Ooh, what’s the conspiracy?

          I’m kinda pissed my lesbian sister has been keeping it from me.

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          It ain’t a conspiracy if it’s happening in front of your own eyes. Any thoughts on the gay song about ‘coming for your children’? I’m sure you’re going to say it’s just tongue-and-cheek humor.

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            My answer to that song would be: We live in a multicultural world and if you don’t teach your kids to accept other peoples choices they say that they will.

            The more bigoted parents are, and the more parents say “Stay away from them!” the more teenagers are drawn to the LGBT community and will see that its their parents that’s wrong.

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              Not true. The more parents encourage their kids to support LGBT, the more confused kids will be. It’s not bigotry if you care about your kid’s wellbeing.

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                You know it is possible for parents to explain LGBT to kids in a positive way without this triggering them to become one.

                It’s not bigotry if you care about your kid’s wellbeing.

                I don’t buy that for a second, parents who instill hate or fear in their kids against a group of people are doing it wrong.

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                  You can explain it to them when they are older and more mature. Maybe after puberty or something. But not when they are toddlers.

                  We have to be careful what we expose our kids to. Whatever they consume, they will imitate. This is human psychology. If you expose them to abuse, they will abuse. If you expose them to porn, they will watch porn. If you expose them LGBT, they will be LGBT.

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                    Of cause a child’s age has everything to say about at what level and detail you explain things.

                    Regarding abuse, porn, etc.

                    What we should do as parents is give our kids enough knowledge and tools to handle it when they eventually will get exposed to it. (Of cause appropriate to their age).

                    What we should not do is to hide everything away and never speak about touchy subjects, or make the kid afraid of a group of people, because then we make it very easy for people to abuse our kids when they are teenagers or young adults as they don’t know anything about the world. There’s countless examples of this.

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                “Mummy, why are those two men holding hands?”

                “They’re in love, like me and daddy.”

                “Oh, right.”

                What’s confusing about that?

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                  Are you assuming every couple is gay or something? Because that example makes no sense. A kid who has a mom and w dad will be confused why some other kid has 2 moms or 2 dads.

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                    Can you read? This is a kid with hetero patents - “mummy and daddy” doesn’t sound gay to me… He sees two men together. And yet there is no confusion. It’s easily explained - they are in love.