Brought it up because you talked about logic and I was making a point out there that most liberals believe this is the case.
I agree. I don’t have any problems with people choosing to stay with who. Shared morals and values are the main reason couples stay together.
That is complete nonsense. The average young woman has more pre-marital sex today with multiple partners than any previous generation. No matter where on the political spectrum.
I’m pretty sure you guys know what MAPs are. If not you can look it up. They’ve been trying to be a part of the LGBT community for quite a while. Because they know their perversion will likely be accepted under the guise of ‘gay rights’. Sooner or later they will be accepted in this community. Because this whole thing is a slippery slope. Never seems to end.
Reason I called them hoes was because pre-marital relationships are haram. Regardless if it’s a man or woman.
Also, if you’re a muslim as your username suggests, and given we know Mohammed was a paedophile by modern standards, you should perhaps spend more time worrying about your own community.
Christian conservatives are very similar. They also obsess about the gay community harbouring paedophiles, while ignoring rampant child sexual abuse within the church.
Applying ‘modern standards’ to history is called Presentism. Women back then were more mature at a younger age and developed much quicker due to the harsh circumstances. Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her) was an adult when Muhammad (ﷺ) consummated the marriage.
An ‘adult’ is different in every country today. The age of consent can be 18, 16, 14. Btw, in most european countries it is between 14 and 16. Austria for example has age of consent at 14. Funny enough, most Muslim countries have it between 16 and 18.
Aisha was likely 9-10 when she had sex with Mohammed. That’s not me, that’s plenty of Muslim scholars. It likely isn’t a coincidence that child marriage is prevalent in the Musim world to this day.
Of course, like most religions, people simply ignore the bits or facts they don’t agree with even if they claim to be literalists. That’s just religion. Different flavour, same soda. Obviously you won’t agree with me on that, but we don’t need to agree on that. Just tolerate that different views on this exist.
What should be obvious, is that it would be entirely unfair to judge all Muslims by the paedophiles among you, and the higher prevalence of child marriages in current day Islam. I’ll leave that to Christian conservatives.
But it is a bit much when devout Muslims like you then decide to complain about the gays and claim they’re paedophiles. Sure, find gay sex icky, but these are invariably grown men engaging in consensual sex, from a community that has repeatedly denounced paedophilia, which if anything is far less deviant than you like to imagine. Rich gay businessmen aren’t out there marrying 9 year old cousins.
Women back then were more mature at a younger age
So you’re saying that it didn’t happen, but if it did she was ‘mature for her age’.
When you claim to hate gay people because they’re paedophiles, without evidence of this being prevalent, but then make excuses for paedophilia and rampant child marriage within your own community, it becomes pretty obvious you hate gay people because they’re gay and don’t actually care about age inappropriate relationships.
Obviously, this is going to annoy you, so we’ll leave it at that.
But do try to remember that tolerance goes two ways.
Never once denied Aisha’s (May Allah be pleased with) age that she was 9 years old when Muhammad (ﷺ) consummated the marriage. I’m not picking and choosing. I’m saying at 9 years old she was an adult because of her circumstances. There is no blanket age for what an adult is. If a person reaches puberty then by Islamic standards they are an adult.
I’m using the pedophile arguments against you because by your standards anyone under the age of 18 is a child. Not because I necessary believe that.
You’re right, my distain towards gay people that promote their gay nature to the public is because it goes against the Quran. If a Muslim is gay for example, it is a test from Allah for them to keep these desires to themselves and seek help through therapy or asking Allah to keep them steadfast.
You might say that it is unfair because straight Muslims can fulfil their desires through marriage but gay Muslims can’t. My response to that is that Allah tests different people with different tests. A rich person can be tested with their wealth and a poor person can be tested with poverty. The wealthy person must use their to give charity and use it in the cause of Allah. The poor person must bear patience with the poverty they face. Same way the gay person must control these desires and can have more time to worship Allah whereas the straight person must bear the responsibility of taking care of the family.
If you actually invest time in researching the different religions, you’ll realize that the only religion with a perserved divine book is Islam. If you want to discuss more about that, I’m happy to give more info as to why. So no, not all religons are the same with different flavors just because on the surface it looks that way.
If your definiton of child is anything below 18, then you need to step outside for a little bit. Every country has a different number for what they call “adult”. Heck even the states within the US can’t agree on that.
I was explaining how the definition of adult is always changing for different cultures and different times. The baseline in Islam is that if a person reaches puberty, they are an adult.
You’re not understanding are you? I’m not sure you even read my reply because I said that “adult” is different for every culture. And I’m using western standards to prove a point here. Based on western standards, anything below 18 is considered a minor so I brought the example of pedophilia to show the hypocracy of the west that they are willing to accept LGBT folk that advocate for pedophilia, while at the same time condemning pedophilia.
Brought it up because you talked about logic and I was making a point out there that most liberals believe this is the case.
I agree. I don’t have any problems with people choosing to stay with who. Shared morals and values are the main reason couples stay together.
That is complete nonsense. The average young woman has more pre-marital sex today with multiple partners than any previous generation. No matter where on the political spectrum.
I’m pretty sure you guys know what MAPs are. If not you can look it up. They’ve been trying to be a part of the LGBT community for quite a while. Because they know their perversion will likely be accepted under the guise of ‘gay rights’. Sooner or later they will be accepted in this community. Because this whole thing is a slippery slope. Never seems to end.
Reason I called them hoes was because pre-marital relationships are haram. Regardless if it’s a man or woman.
It’s a simple fact that young women are having less sex:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/12/health/young-americans-less-sex-intl-scli-wellness/index.html
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066
If I google MAP I don’t get any relevant results. assuming you mean paedophiles, the idea that the gay community condones paedophilia is a myth:
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/30/fact-check-lgbtq-community-rejects-false-association-pedophiles/5462805002/
Also, if you’re a muslim as your username suggests, and given we know Mohammed was a paedophile by modern standards, you should perhaps spend more time worrying about your own community.
Christian conservatives are very similar. They also obsess about the gay community harbouring paedophiles, while ignoring rampant child sexual abuse within the church.
Applying ‘modern standards’ to history is called Presentism. Women back then were more mature at a younger age and developed much quicker due to the harsh circumstances. Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her) was an adult when Muhammad (ﷺ) consummated the marriage.
An ‘adult’ is different in every country today. The age of consent can be 18, 16, 14. Btw, in most european countries it is between 14 and 16. Austria for example has age of consent at 14. Funny enough, most Muslim countries have it between 16 and 18.
Aisha was likely 9-10 when she had sex with Mohammed. That’s not me, that’s plenty of Muslim scholars. It likely isn’t a coincidence that child marriage is prevalent in the Musim world to this day.
Of course, like most religions, people simply ignore the bits or facts they don’t agree with even if they claim to be literalists. That’s just religion. Different flavour, same soda. Obviously you won’t agree with me on that, but we don’t need to agree on that. Just tolerate that different views on this exist.
What should be obvious, is that it would be entirely unfair to judge all Muslims by the paedophiles among you, and the higher prevalence of child marriages in current day Islam. I’ll leave that to Christian conservatives.
But it is a bit much when devout Muslims like you then decide to complain about the gays and claim they’re paedophiles. Sure, find gay sex icky, but these are invariably grown men engaging in consensual sex, from a community that has repeatedly denounced paedophilia, which if anything is far less deviant than you like to imagine. Rich gay businessmen aren’t out there marrying 9 year old cousins.
So you’re saying that it didn’t happen, but if it did she was ‘mature for her age’.
When you claim to hate gay people because they’re paedophiles, without evidence of this being prevalent, but then make excuses for paedophilia and rampant child marriage within your own community, it becomes pretty obvious you hate gay people because they’re gay and don’t actually care about age inappropriate relationships.
Obviously, this is going to annoy you, so we’ll leave it at that.
But do try to remember that tolerance goes two ways.
Never once denied Aisha’s (May Allah be pleased with) age that she was 9 years old when Muhammad (ﷺ) consummated the marriage. I’m not picking and choosing. I’m saying at 9 years old she was an adult because of her circumstances. There is no blanket age for what an adult is. If a person reaches puberty then by Islamic standards they are an adult.
I’m using the pedophile arguments against you because by your standards anyone under the age of 18 is a child. Not because I necessary believe that.
You’re right, my distain towards gay people that promote their gay nature to the public is because it goes against the Quran. If a Muslim is gay for example, it is a test from Allah for them to keep these desires to themselves and seek help through therapy or asking Allah to keep them steadfast.
You might say that it is unfair because straight Muslims can fulfil their desires through marriage but gay Muslims can’t. My response to that is that Allah tests different people with different tests. A rich person can be tested with their wealth and a poor person can be tested with poverty. The wealthy person must use their to give charity and use it in the cause of Allah. The poor person must bear patience with the poverty they face. Same way the gay person must control these desires and can have more time to worship Allah whereas the straight person must bear the responsibility of taking care of the family.
If you actually invest time in researching the different religions, you’ll realize that the only religion with a perserved divine book is Islam. If you want to discuss more about that, I’m happy to give more info as to why. So no, not all religons are the same with different flavors just because on the surface it looks that way.
You are a giant hypocrite.
Explain how?
Claiming the LGBT support paedophiles, while you’re justifying fucking a child.
It’s just projection.
How am I justifying fucking a child?
If your definiton of child is anything below 18, then you need to step outside for a little bit. Every country has a different number for what they call “adult”. Heck even the states within the US can’t agree on that.
I was explaining how the definition of adult is always changing for different cultures and different times. The baseline in Islam is that if a person reaches puberty, they are an adult.
So it’s okay for a muslim to fuck a 12 year old, but not anyone else?
That baseline is wrong. Sorry pal. You’re trying to have your cake and eat it too.
You’re not understanding are you? I’m not sure you even read my reply because I said that “adult” is different for every culture. And I’m using western standards to prove a point here. Based on western standards, anything below 18 is considered a minor so I brought the example of pedophilia to show the hypocracy of the west that they are willing to accept LGBT folk that advocate for pedophilia, while at the same time condemning pedophilia.