Reminder that if the media is cool with putting the victim’s name all over, then you should be cool with the officer’s name all over.
Innocent until proven guilty am I right?
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The username
Ah. Thank you
There are a lot of things I hate about the Bible as an atheist, but one thing I really wish would be implemented is a double measured punishment for positions of authority. Every crime a police officer is found guilty of should be doubled, every time and without exception. They should always be aware of the fact that if they screw up it will be a much bigger deal for them.
What do you expect in DeSatan’s state.
There’s a lot of fucking sense in the bible sometimes, in a lot of cases the problem is it’s good fucking sense for a tribe of nomadic folk 2500 years ago and then it’s been filtered through various cults rewriting and reinterpreting it to suit their needs and viewpoints in the intervening time. The US constitution seems to be on the same sort of track.
Fuck the bible but this is already a thing in the military and it should be a thing in the police too since they are just the occupying military
Which is why the state never will.
You can though; like the panthers, but learn the lesson from their failure: don’t get seen.
Is that double punishment thing in the bible? I couldn’t agree more. It’s the most heinous type of crime imo.
Officers need a UCMJ similar to the military.
If rhey insist on military terms and tactics, a military court martial is only fair. Especially the parts about force and civilians.
Not only that, but crimes specific to police officers just like soldier specific crimes. Hold them to a higher standard, and when that power is abused only the most brutal of punishments.
Every time. Y’all forget THE essential fact every time this comes up: cops are enforcers for the rich only, and unless something they do affects the rich, nothing will change. They’re not military, they’re barely smarter than a glue-sniffing mutt and twice as psychotic. 🤦🏽♂️
I was a military kid. So… just like the military?
Their description might’ve been a bit charitable.
I didn’t forget it, but it’s fun to have dreams.
I had a dreeeam, I had a dreeeam, I just want to see the glowing lanterns gleeeam!
They have names and addresses. That’s the only accountability they will ever see.
Or an anti cop insurgency.
I live in Los Angeles, where the cops keep getting caught bringing in the big moral panic drug of the day and slaughtering people and being literal Nazi street gangs.
And I’m just putting the name “people persecuted by police” out there; somebody please use it, and please live up to it.
While an anti cop uprising is likely inevitable, I’m not confident that it actually makes anything change at this point.
‘Revolutions in reverse’; its basically warm fuzzy more broadly effective thing based on ‘propaganda of the deed’
And rules of engagement while we’re at it.
How is it that a soldier sent into literal combat against people he knows are armed and intend to kill them has to be more careful not to shoot someone than a police officer responding to a call about a black person using the sidewalk?
I was deployed, and our rules of engagement was more strict than police officers. We had to keep it on us at all times (exception being for PT and shower time). There were very specific situations about when and where we could use our weapons.
What is ridiculous is “I was a scared little bitch” was not a reason to use force. Police can get away with killing civilians, unarmed civilians, because “I was scared”. If we did that, our ass would be in Leavenworth. Cops are fucking pathetic.
A soldier who everyone knows was ordered ‘shoot to kill’, and people think its weird when they’re not.
They even get multiple months of training!
Nah. They need the wall. They fought basic accountability too hard, clearly its not gonna happen. Accept that and move on to a more realistic solution.
Too bad we’re headed in the exact opposite direction…
Conservatives like my father are being brainwashed to believe the cops have TOO MANY restrictions to “properly do their jobs.”
They literally want LESS accountability for police… It’s absolutely absurd and because of that I’m pretty sure that’s what we’ll end up with. We don’t get to have nice things in this timeline.
Idk I mean it would be fine if the consequences that everyone else has to face they have to too.
I hope Mr. Riley is found not guilty. And that all three officers who participated in this dangerous fraud are charged and punished appropriately. Mr. Riley deserves compensation for harm done. Tallahassee, you can do better. smh.
Don’t worry. Internal affairs with complete an investigation and find that the officers not only did nothing wrong but are being commended and recommended for promotion!
After their paid vacation
Possibly a paid transfer funded by taxpayers.
Any fucking municipality that allows this needs to swing.
How about we compromise. No punishment for the officers, and Mr Riley gets 12 months in jail, but he gets out 3 months early if he admits he was wrong and promised not to sue.
Unfortunately that compensation will come from florida taxpayers instead of the criminal cops themselves.
Nothing will change until the cops have to pay their own damages.
How can you hope that? Are you high?
Theres one way a cop will ever be held accountable.
I hope for justice, and equality under the law. Are we there? No. And my activism focuses on what we need, deserve, and want. Why do you not? Do you advocate apathy? Do you have another suggestion?
Laws aren’t for justice. I think if they’re ever in the same room, justice never showed up and the wall has some new stains.
Even if you don’t believe this, a system so thoroughly, from its original seed to every major input its had,made from injustice and tyranny for injustice and tyranny, is not going to provide you with justice.
You need to start fresh from the ground up. Maybe its possible to create a mostly-just system of laws; i don’t think it is, but I’m down to be proven wrong. I do know its impossible to salvage the ones we have, and if you wanted to make a serious attempt, you’d start from scratch.
I think we use laws because they’re a tool for exercising power, and we, growing up in strict hierarchalist societies, confuse power with justice. They’re opposites. Laws are a tool for systematizing and flattening morality so its legible to a top down hierarchy that doesn’t have time/bandwidth to fully pay attention, and a tool to divide a populace so you can justify picking out people you find inconvenient, or increasing power exercised against the people.
I think you find justice where laws don’t excuse people from thought compassion and consideration, put anyone above anyone else, or justify doing awful shit, and I think a lot of the work towards justice and equality is going to be emotionally messy and unpleasant til we get there.
When you know there will be no consequences, it’s easier to be blatant with your corruption. The officer should be fired, arrested for falsifying official documents, and the chief of police should be fired.
And they should also have to buy Riley a new bottle of cognac. The good stuff, too
How you pour out the cognac and then call it shit vodka?
It’s like that graphic of how cops see things and everything is a gun, but it’s how cops see liquor and everything is vodka
Does no one else find it odd that some Boy Scout badges take more experience than a police badge does?
We like our cops to be dumb. Less of a chance for them to realize how shitty they are.
The stupid also won’t know that they’re participating in the wrong side of the class war.
Most of them I think.
Or they did, before the boy scouts org was held accountable for all the kids they raped. So another way they’re better than cops.
As a Life Scout that went to the national Jamboree more than once, I was shocked by those stories. I guess I lucked out and had scout masters that I thought were boring, but they were actually some of the good ones.
I thought they were boring because they followed all the rules all the time. I was a stupid kid.
It’s not a kind world for children. We all have either stories like that, or stories like the ones that shocked you. Sometimes both.
Theres one way to fire a cop, and you gotta do it yourself.
If it helps; they’re really bad at solving these things.
They’re good at solving them, just find a non white person a make it work.
They’re actually really bad at it. Over 70% of murder cases in California, and over 50% of the murder cases in the US go unsolved, and that’s including the ones they pinned on some random black/brown guy.
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/29/1172775448/people-murder-unsolved-killings-record-high
https://www.ppic.org/blog/a-large-proportion-of-crime-goes-unsolved-in-california/
Damn. I always assumed anyone with a bachelor’s degree could get away with murder. It seems anyone that can read Green Eggs and Ham can get away with murder.
What are the demographics of the victims in the unsolved cases tho?
Approximately 0% of the victims of unsolved murders are cops, I assume.
Police are a gang. You kill one, they will make sure to find you because they need revenge.
No clue, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised to find that there’s a disproportionate percentage of non-white unsolved cases
*racism FTFY
Cops: " THE PUBLIC IS SO HOSTILE TO US, WE CANT COMPREHEND WHY THEY HATE US NOBLE SAVIORS OF JUSTICE SO MUCH!"
Also Cops:" I’ll just casually destroy this persons property and frame them for a crime to fill my quota, and maybe…if he gets upset over it, I’ll have an excuse to murder him! teehee! "
this person’s* property
this person is property
Railroading into a largely for profit “correction” system is straight up slavery.
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Thank you, it’s no tits
Huh, so when is Kiersten Oliver’s trial?
6 months paid vacation and a transfer to a different district where she commence committing more crimes. Same strategy as the church has with pedophiles. Wonder why this is so rampant when the punishment is a reward.
That’s up to us.
I vote she doesn’t get one, but I’m not near Florida, so my vote probably doesn’t count. Not that kind of democracy.
Man, I hate this. I haven’t checked the articles, but you just know guilty cop isn’t named anywhere while the innocent driver has his name plastered everywhere.
It’s great that people here are at least naming these terrible people.
Do to the video evidence, I give the jury a 50/50 chance of convicting, far higher than normal!
ACAB
Whatever happened to “if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear?”… This happened, fucking corrupt cops
The guy that said that died in the Fuhrerbunker.
See why you phrased that now, seems saying the source you get auto deleted in this sub for some reason
Censorship is a plague
Just literal Nazi propaganda doing its job.
Saw this two posts below: https://lemmy.world/post/13888155
She should stick to colonoscopy promotion.
Lol Tallahassee PD is going full “shoot the messenger and the messenger’s dog” about this. Blithering on about how releasing the video is wrong and now the dude they tried to frame can’t get a fair trial because people saw the video, which they were totally gonna show after the trial (trust me, bro. bro you gotta trust me. we can’t have people knowing what happened until after he’s found guilty and we get to take a bunch of his money by force.) but now everyone is gonna be prejudiced in favor of the defendant which violates his rights and that part of the video where she clearly opens a sealed container, dumps it out, throws it back into the car and then arrests him for open container was taken out of context.
It hurts to think about how many of these cases they haven’t caught.
99% of people charged with DWI, plead guilty or may settle down for a lesser charge. Fighting a case like that is a lot of money ($5k-$10k), your average citizen probably doesn’t have a emergency fund. It’s horrible, and not only that, the cop who charges the person with a DWI gets a nice bonus at the end of the year. You can’t assure yourself that you’ll be in the clear if you’re sober; they might have insiders who mess around with your test results and make it look like you had alcohol/drugs in your system.
After I saw that one of the officer palming a baggy and acting like they found it I thought: how could I possibly protect myself when they’re running a search like this? Scary shit.
The only way is hidden cameras in your car that constantly backup to the cloud via lte. Which if that sounds stupid it’s because it is. You shouldn’t have to even consider shit like that let alone do it
Yeah, maybe we violently need to get rid of police?
I thought this is what body cams were for, or was it just for watching with your buddies during weekends while eating popcorn
That’s what the police think surveillance video is for, at least. When they’re done assaulting innocent old women with dementia they sit around with their buddies, watch the video and laugh and laugh. I assumed that when the officer said “wait for the pop” he was talking about the audible sound of him breaking this 73 year old dementia patient’s arm over $13 in goods from Walmart, but the way they’re gathered around the screen celebrating the assault, maybe he did mean popcorn.
body cams are for police highlight reels and for taking clips of their murders home to masturbate furiously too. Not for the public good, or justice.
Which is why it often takes years to weasel the fucking video out of their hands when it shows them doing wrong (and yet the videos are almost always immediately released when they think they are in the right…), like with that abduction victim teenage girl a few years ago who the police blasted the fuck out, from behind, despite her following all instructions.
"By showing the video where our corrupt officer destroyed property and framed a man, you have ruined our attempt to imprison an innocent man who didnt deserve it.
How dare you, public, for foisting this terrible injustice upon all of law enforcement!"
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I could be wrong but I thought the bottle was found inside Reillys vehicle.
They weren’t. The article is pretty clear that the sealed bottle was in Riley’s car
Straight up psychotic. She should get exactly whatever the max sentencing is that he would have gotten.
More than that.
Law enforcement should be held to a higher standard, and this kind of violation of trust and abuse of power deserves far more than just the punishment for a DUI. The DUI punishment should be stacked on top of whatever she can be charged with for this act itself: false arrest, filing false reports, falsifying evidence, etc. And there should be no allowance for serving those sentences concurrently.
But it probably won’t happen.
Knowingly arresting someone based on false evidence should be charged federally as kidnapping.
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Unless you can prove in a court of law that another cop was told by another court not to dump booze in another victim’s car, then arrest them for it, then there is no way we can expect her to have known this was wrong! (Qualified Immunity)
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Cops don’t have to know the laws they’re paid to enforce. (Heien v. North Carolina)
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Cops have no legal duty to protect you (DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, Castle Rock v. Gonzales)
Cops have no legal duty to protect you (DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, Castle Rock v. Gonzales)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia
That’s not what qualified immunity means, FYI. Qualified immunity protects state actors (i.e. police) from being sued for actions performed during the execution of their duties. The state and/or department takes up financial responsibilities. It does not shield them from criminal prosecution.
The cops certainly really, really wish it did. And if they had their preference, they’d have you believe it did, too. But it doesn’t.
On paper, the police are not above the law in regards to criminal prosecution. Unfortunately in practice generally they are. As we’ve seen many times.
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Oh it absolutely won’t. You have to have a reasonable expectation.
The real question is, what can we do? This type of shit needs to stop, I’m so tired of cops like this!
It’s all of them though. Some might not do things like this but there’s no doubt they cover for the ones that do. That’s why we say ACAB.
There’s nothing I can think to be done but dismantle the entire organization and destroy the gangs er I mean unions. Then we can start fresh with all new people, new (and extensive) training, and a completely different culture.
Seems impossible. Anyone got an idea for a way to get there?
I say ban qualified immunity, force every cop to have their body cameras turned on at all times (except for when they use the bathroom), have weekly/biweekly training, etc.
I’ll settle for her being fired and charged with making up evidence. Let her name be entered into a national + open database of people whose words are worthless.
I’m more interested in the taxpayers compensating Riley for as much as possible, and maybe asking for higher quality police officers who can do their jobs. You know, the fiscally responsible path…
Double the sentence she tried to frame him for in addition to the max for any and all other crimes she may have committed, and knowingly arresting someone based on false evidence needs to be charged federally as kidnapping because that’s what it is.
What pieces of shit, also, she’s dumb as fuck for clearly doing something illegal knowing she was wearing a bodycam.
Bodycams should not have a way to turn them off on the field, there’s no legitimate reason to, some states even allow it but require a 10 second timer
Honestly, why they don’t constantly run but have button as a marker for “I have to take a bathroom break” and not review that footage unless something happened that requires review during that time period is beyond me.
Because those very same cops also have access to evidence. And within days every single female officer’s bathroom pics will be in the text messages of every male officer.
So - because even cops know that cops aren’t trustworthy. Not even to other cops.
I think we’re saying the same thing. 🤔
Or if you wanted to pretend the court system was real; presumption of pig guilt for anything off camera.
But that will never happen. Accountability will come from you, or it will come from nobody.
If the camera is off they are no longer a cop until it is back on. That needs to be the rule. Then if they cannot provide footage a lot of civil lawsuits will be able to get past QI bullshit at least.
What kind of chimpanzee plants evidence, while wearing the camera that will later be used in court?
As a European, I can only apologise. We clearly did not send our brightest and best all those years ago…
It’s almost certainly complacency on her part. She’s probably done this an innumerable amount of times. At first I’m sure she was very careful in covering her tracks. She’s just gotten away with it so many times now that she stopped caring about whether or not it was easy to catch her in the act. Probably figured there was very little chance anyone would see the footage. ACAB
I want to live out the balance of my life solely fueled by the flesh of these despicable subhumans. Maybe get them into some factory farming conditions? I prefer my badge-pig walnut finished unless a longer more painful option is available. It’s not that i don’t like them…😉
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Who cares? Cops can’t plant evidence. End of story.
If they did, even if the rest of the bust was legitimate, the entire thing goes out the window. If they had an actual reason to arrest him, they should have followed procedure and the law rather than going around trying to plant evidence.
That user is a straight-up Nazi. Look at their comment history:
I’m not. I’m just saying that it hurts my feelings to have this guy be called white. There are so many mixed race white supremacists out there, and they make white people look bad. Why are we calling this guy white?
Even has the fucking 88.
I completely missed that…thank you for pointing it out :).
[Homer backing into the bushes meme.]
Who cares?
It does make it a little less interesting if the driver was actually drunk imo
There is a video of an officer planting evidence. That should be the end of the story. But for you it is not.
You trying to control the debate shapiro-style. You create a fictional story, first in conditionals (“if they suspected … then they had every reason”), and by asking questions (“Did he refuse a breathalyzer test at the scene? Was one offered?”). Now there is a vivid image in the readers head, that you use to derail the discussion into a completely different direction (“Bottom line here: What was this man’s blood alcohol level?”).
But the counter to this is very simple: Instead of following your tangent, I will simply un-derail the topic by asking something like:
“Why do you think the officer felt the need to plant evidence?”
I strongly recommend the youtube series “the altright playbook” https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ
Just for giggles I also asked GPT4 oppinion on the subject. His response
To support the officer’s actions and shift the blame onto the accused individual, leveraging the scenario as described would involve a number of stratagems, focusing heavily on hypothetical questions, assumptions, and diverting attention from the core issue. Here’s how such tactics might be applied:
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Emphasize Uncertainty and Technicalities: Begin by stressing the complexities and procedural nuances of DUI arrests. Highlight the importance of blood alcohol content (BAC) testing and the legal protocols involving field sobriety and breathalyzer tests. This shifts the debate from the ethics of planting evidence to the technicalities of DUI arrests, muddying the waters.
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Frame Hypotheticals as Probabilities: Use hypothetical situations—such as the accused refusing a breathalyzer test or having a reason for arrest due to a suspended license—as almost certain probabilities. This reframes the narrative, suggesting that the officer had just cause for suspicion, thereby indirectly justifying their misconduct.
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Construct a False Dilemma: Imply that there are only two possibilities - the accused was either guilty of DUI or not, completely sidestepping the issue of the officer planting evidence. This narrows the debate’s focus to the accused’s potential guilt, diverting attention from the officer’s actions.
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Utilize Red Herrings: Introduce unrelated facts (e.g., the suspended license) to distract from the primary issue of evidence tampering. By focusing on these details, you can create a narrative where the officer’s actions seem minor compared to the accused’s alleged law-breaking behavior.
Through these strategies, the conversation can be steered towards scrutinizing the accused’s behavior and the procedural aspects of DUI arrests, rather than the ethical implications of a police officer planting evidence. Such tactics, while effective in shifting debate focus, rely heav…
She’s not going to read any of that because she’s a white supremacist as evidenced by her comments on this post.
ETA: She came here when her Reddit account got suspended: Another Redditor accused me of not knowing my blood type, before trying to accuse me of being a blood type that doesn’t even exist. This is what it looks like to prove your blood type to a bully.
Then there’s this:
CW: extreme violence
My marriage was a set up to force me to have children and then ruin my life after my children died. I wouldn’t be surprised if my husband killed my son while babysitting him, and then just swapped him for someone else’s baby. I was the only source of income and had to return to work six weeks after giving birth. He was unemployed and agreed to watch our son. Before we separated, he told me that he had me raped in my sleep to make our son. There were times when he would get so jealous of our son, even shoving his crib across the room with the baby in it, at one point. He ruined my life, but I can’t afford a lawyer, and there is nowhere to talk about it now, except Reddit.
And this:
CW: extreme violence
Sometimes a country you perceive as dangerous is actually the last place some American gang will follow you. In 2020, I was stabbed by a white, female gang member who presents as a large frame male. I had years of threats and harassment follow me after meeting this person and being subsequently stabbed. That person doesn’t speak Spanish. I went to Ecuador to escape the bullying. No one followed me to Ecuador. I was not harassed or mistreated there. Everyone thinks Ecuador is dangerous. It wasn’t. I walked through the town of Guayaquil from my hotel to the airport, and no one hurt me or harassed me.
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Stupid Nazi says stupid things
You don’t need to attack me personally
you mean the shapiro thing? I actually thought you intentionally used a shapiro-style argument. I didn’t think you’d take it as an insult.
No one has proven it was sealed. If it is revealed to have been opened, then this man is guilty of having an opened container in his vehicle, as well as driving with a suspended license.
Now this is a much more interesting line of thought. It doesn’t rely on reframing and red herrings. Instead this arguments directly attacks the central point. This is much better.
I recommend not continuing to feed the racist troll.
The trick is not to follow their tangents. They hate it when you point out their fallacies and rhethoric trickery.
Rule 2. If you’re here to support the police, you’re trolling.
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Can I plant a nazi sign on you, say you’re a nazi and then have prove your innocence?
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No one is discussing World War 2 here.
Ahh. The “If it’s after 1945, it’s not naziism, it’s sparkling fascism” defense.
Nothing in this article, or my comments, has anything to do with Nazis. I think you should seek mental health care.
Weird insult, but alright.
So it looks like you have some trouble understanding how conversation works. Someone accused you of being a nazi. A bit out of left field if you aren’t digging through someone’s comment history. Your defense to that was to say it was not World War 2. The topic at hand is whether or not you are a nazi and your defense is that it’s not World War 2. Not “I am not a nazi”, but the go to neonazi defense of “umm actually the nazi party was dissolved in 1945”. It’s just sad.
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The women can’t be Nazis defense, that’s a bold move. Since you’re describing all the things you are that makes it impossible to be a Nazi, do you happen to be 36 years old as well? Or is the 88 in your name just your favorite number for some other reason?
Ok nazi
I’ve explained this to you in another thread, Nazi is an ideology. ANYONE can be a Nazi. Male/Female/Cathololic/German/Not German or otherwise.
Rule 2.
Most states require alcohol to be in the trunk, or in the backseat, on the floorboard when transporting it.
Source? This certainly applies if the container has been previously opened, but an unopened, sealed container should be fine.
Yeah, if it was opened, it definitely should not have been in the vehicle, without being stored in a locked glovebox, or trunk, according to Florida law.
You don’t need to be a Nazi
States do not have a law stating where alcohol is to be transported.
MOST states have laws regarding open containers.
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And was he charged with “open container”? The defense attorney says they describe the container as open in the police report, if that’s true, and if the bottle really was sealed when the officer found it, then it’s misconduct despite the specific charges.
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Yes when they turned off their body cameras it was interfering which is an additional crime to planting the evidence and the cops should be charged every time unless a third party unaffiliated with the police or courts can verify there was a valid reason to stop documenting the arrest.
Btw the sealed bottle is heard breaking when the police open it in the linked video in the article at 1:05 you silly billy.
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What does the contents of the cup have to do with the cops breaking the seal and reporting it as open. That’s not a typo that’s misrepresenting the facts aka lying, an example of a typo is writing contets instead of contents not reporting the sealed bottle was open. From that point the report is suspect because we already know they were lying based on the video evidence.
And then on top of that turning off their bodycams to prevent saving further evidence of their crimes? It could be a cup full of lighter fluid and the cops still broke the law and tried to cover it up.
You sure are bending over backward trying to defend cops caught falsifying evidence and to paint the suspect in a bad light.
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“wait, Im racist against all black people and I have an opinion about this black person. I promise its not because he’s black”
Well, I’m sorry you’re racist, but placing your statement of such views in a comment reply to my own comment, is not the place to discuss it. I suggest you find a therapist.
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The fact of the matter is the driver had no open alcohol in the vehicle until the officer placed it there.
There is a lot of bullshit here… NAL, but you can make a case that they intended to drink, or if they had a non-0 BAC, you can make a case that they were too impaired to drive. While the 0.08% limit is a “standard”, it’s not a hard and fast line, from what I’m aware of, but NAL. I would assume it’d be hard as shit to make a case that someone was too impaired with a BAC of 0.01%… But that doesn’t mean you can’t try.
You’re literally arguing that they could drink it, so they were intending to drink it? Do you have any knives in your house? Shall we call the authorities because you could murder someone, and therefore intend to murder someone?
I think my intention got mixed up here. I think it’s all bullshit. But essentially what you said is closer to how the law is written.
To be totally clear, the ruling that an officers assessment of someone being impaired is taken as highly, if not higher, as an objective BAC here, is bullshit. It basically means that if they think you are drunk, you are drunk. That’s insane to me.
I had a former cop explain to me once that he had an absolutely fool proof test involving tilting sometimes head and seeing if their retinas jiggle or something. I kinda assumed that it was bullshit, but if he thought that was the case, then he had the “right” to issue a DUI.
My point is that the BAC being really low is not an instant case closed in the way that it should be. Which is highlighting just how ridiculous things can get in these cases and still go to court.
In this case, it shouldn’t even go to court.
Riley shouldn’t go to court but every one of those cops certainly should.
