This is so fucked up. Across various social media platforms you have genocidal Zionists loons saying what they want using #KillThemAll, but yet Palestinian voices are being silenced and ol Melon Husk bans the phrase “From the river to the sea…”.
“I’m mad that my side can’t dog whistle for genocide”
You know that this phrase means the end of illegal occupation, right?
It’s both. If it didn’t have a plausible legitimate use, it wouldn’t work as a dog whistle.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/09/us/politics/river-to-the-sea-israel-gaza-palestinians.html
Everybody has bad actors, and they serve to complicate what oughtn’t be complicated, including language.
It means different things to different people. There are definitely a few that use it with a genocidal intent. But as you said that he’s not it’s de facto or historical meaning. It has a much longer history than the last few months. Most people complaining about it only just learned of it. And have no idea about its history or what it actually tends to mean.
It has a much longer history than the last few months Like the HAMAS
Hamas didn’t exist until 20 years after the illegal occupation started.
and the HAMAS is 36 years old. By the way when my country was occupied, the embryos of what would become our main resistance didn’t wait 20 years to begin resisting… more like 20 minutes. So to me that sound like a serious blow to the “HAMAS is Palestinian Resistance”
Way to misconstrue what I said, but ok.
Don’t mind them. They probably felt uncomfortable hearing “Black Lives Matter” too. Saying it’s a call for genocide for white people.
I saw a sign from a protest says, “I thought you said all lives matter.”
Is Kibbutz Be’eri on occupied land?
Is Tel Aviv on occupied land?
Is Haifa on occupied land?
Of course.
In other words, “Death to Israel!!!”
Edit: in before “No no. You have to understand that ‘Death to Israel’ is an aspirational call for peace”
The people can stay. The borders and government must be dissolved.
Why?
I think Jews and Palestinians both need a place where they can feel safe from anyone trying to kill them off since it’s something one group has already been through and the other group is going through right now and both are at risk from it happening again in the future. This means they either need to give one group a new homeland, which, at this point, would be ethnic cleansing of either group, or find a way for them to share one homeland safely. No ethnic cleansing should be allowed and future ethnic cleansing should be prevented to the best of the international community’s ability.
Personally, I would prefer UN administration of the region until something equitable for both Jews and Palestinians can be resolved.
Yes and what guarantees for the Israeli. Various palestinian factions have been commiting massacre and pogroms since the 1930’s where they had a german-sized nazi movement.
The government is what guaranty people’s right and safety.
This is exactly why the Palestinian state exist and Arafat refused to integrate into Israel
And the people that stay will be slaughtered.
So we’re Indians wanting to get rid of the British Raj all genocidal maniacs?
Not a great comparison as Brits have Britain to live in already (I’m British, if it matters).
If you displaced the Brits from India back in the day, they could return to Britain.
If you displace the Jews from Israel now, where could they go?
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That’s a leap. It means an end to the illegal occupation, apartheid, and Zionism. Give the land back to the indigenous people. I’ve seen talks of the establishment of a secular state where all can be free, which is the ideal here. Not the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians
Right…
You just called for the destruction of Israel. You just said Tel Aviv, which was built on land purchased from the Bedouin, is on occupied land.
You just said that Be’eri is on occupied land. Since it’s on occupied land, then Hamas’ murder of 100 people is justified in your mind.
Palestinian policemen massacred non-Zionist Jews in Hebron in 1929. The government of Gaza massacred left-wing Jews in Be’eri in 2023. And you sit here and talk binational bullshit fantasies.
From the river to the sea, you want it to be Judenfrei.
Give the land back to the indigenous people.
That’s easy to say, but means nothing until you define who the “indigenous people” are, which is an extremely fraught topic in this particular case.
Give the land back to the indigenous people
Oh my sweet, sweet summer child. That’s a statement both sides agree on, but not in the way you think
Jews are the indigenous people, Muslim Arabs came later.
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That’s our Holy City since you kicked us out of Shiraz and Baghdad.
What the heck @guriinii, stop kicking them out of Shiraz and Baghdad!
Yes?
The Baha’i will not surrender Haifa. That’s our Holy City since you kicked us out of Shiraz and Baghdad. We’ve been there since the Arabs put us there in 1890.
Edit: sorry Lemmy replied to the wrong comment.
Yes, and the end of those “illegal occupiers” too.
Both sides want to genocide each other, it’s just that Israel is more powerful and Palestine is the underdog
it’s just that Israel is more powerful
Yeah I still give more credit to Tsahal for convincing us of that than really achieving it
Israel is definitely more powerful than Palestine
Technically probably, but if they are very VERY bad at using it are they really that powerful. Because they are bad at using their power, hence the shitton of civilian casualty
You think they weren’t objectives?
Across various social media platforms you have genocidal
Honestly if you look outside your comforts zone you’ll realise every genocidal maniacs have been hanging out on twitter since its creation. After the terror attack in France we had all the insane islamist praising the asshole, that’s nothing new
I agree banning that phrase seems hypocritical but what is wrong with calling for the killing of a militia that killed thousands of civilians? Wouldn’t this be like the killing of osama bin laden after 9/11? Didn’t they kill hundreds of young people at a music festival promoting peace? I’m aware there’s collateral but calling for a ceasefire to protect civilians is the only reason to suggest the killing stops when their enemy has openly stated it will not stop doing this ever. If they want change to their policy of genocide of isralies I’m sure that’s a good start to peace talks but so far I don’t think they have.
I think you’re confused. It is Israel committing genocide and have said they will never stop even after all the hostages are released.
No, I don’t think I am but may be. Are you saying hamas didn’t kill all those unarmed civilians and are you saying hamas has never stated they have a mandate to destroy the whole of Israel? Please just stick to those two questions and then make any points you want to add after. Thankyou
I’m not going to twitter to see but are they still using the little blue bird? I thought everything was X now.
They reference Twitter all over their own site. The site is still Twitter.com. Here’s their page for advertisers.
Kinda related question. Is there a way to get the blue bird back? Like a chrome extension or something like that
You could. I don’t know that it exists. Just don’t go to the site though. What’s so hard?
there’s an extension that returns the old ui too! (like 2015 one)
Which one? I wanna revive frutiger aero on my pc
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/old-twitter-layout-2022/
it’s basically a full unofficial client, it replaces the official website with itself
Makes me think the second image is from an older infraction?
No, the website is just that bad. It still calls itself twitter in all sorts of places to this day.
I just had a look and the tweet was posted November 19th 2023.
I wonder if this has anything to do with how Elon fired pretty much everyone right around the time he changed the name…
They really should adopt Xitter as a transition nickname. Bonus: it actually suits theplatform the most.
Pronounced shïtter?
How hard could it be, just crtl-H “Twitter” to “X”
Musk fired most of the moderators, and those messages are being sent automatically after a certain time period. I did an experiment before - searched for phrases like “death to nationality” and “kill all nationality”, with various nationalities, and reported a dozen each to check if there is any bias: There isn’t, all of them were ignored. I believe any moderators left, if there are still any, work by the queue of most reported first, and the top of the queue is most likely filled with brigaded reports from right wing trolls.
If you don’t use specific keywords, there’s essentially no moderation on Twitter right now. All of their moderation is via keyword.
What ? Did you believe there was any safety policies
Twitter has been like this (tools of the IDF) for multiple years now. Welcome to the club.
Twitter is full of turbo nazis from all background. Everyone knows the IDF is hanging out on instagram
Literally just came from a thread complaining Twitter was anti semitic lol. https://lemmy.world/post/8558857
Edit - I’m not saying either is true, I don’t care about or use Twitter. If it makes you this upset I recommend you do the same.
You’ll find that right wing lunatics are perfectly capable of being both virulently anti-Semitic and dogmatically pro-Israel, especially when being pro-Israel means either fulfilling some prophecy or other from Revelations, or promoting violence against Muslims. The cognitive dissonance of hating Jews while supporting a Jewish ethnostate is secondary to those other things.
They think it works like positive and negative charges. Where if they support Israel’s genocide then it cancels out all the antisemitic bullshit they’ve spewed.
Elon literally supported a Tweet that said Jews were going to destroy white people.
You know that, right?
Or are you going to claim that isn’t antisemitic?
Wtf lol I wasn’t making a stance and don’t care about Twitter or Elon. It’s just funny seeing back to back posts claiming completely opposite points as fact.
You can probably find a lot of anti semitic stuff on there. Hell Elon was posting some the other day. But that doesn’t mean you aren’t going to find anti Arab / anti muslim shit, or specifically this pro zionist garbage. Remember, there’s a lot of pro zionists who are also white supremacists.
Instructions unclear - applied guidance to people named James Woods with a career in acting, born April 18, 1947.
Aside from Musk’s Nazi tendencies, was this fine because Woods didn’t specify the target of his call to genocide?
It’s fine because Musk agrees.
This must be that radical free speech I hear so much about. I suppose it only applies to inciting a genocide, not union support.
I guess I wouldn’t get it - Musk is clearly such a genius - look at how much wealth he definitely earned.
One minute he’s anti Jew now he’s pro? Make up your tiny upvote seeking mind.
What, exactly, makes you think being pro-genocide means being pro-Jew?
He could have just decided to be a chill dude, retired from acting, maybe opened a golf pro shop with Jeremy Irons. Or I guess there’s this approach.
maybe opened a golf pro shop with Jeremy Irons
golfclap
holds up “quiet please” sign.
Is this not a crime in the USA? Pretty sure calls to violence is illegal in most countries.
Relax guys he’s just a Metallica fan 🤘
Sanitarium. Leave me be!
This meme is about about terrorists. 😱
The ceasefire isn’t to protect Hamas. It’s to protect the civilians the IDF are hellbent on labeling terrorists.
If you agree with collective punishment, then congratulations: You’re more morally reprehensable than the allies were in WWII after nukes were used. Literally OK with war crimes.
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The problem here is the amount of innocent Palestinians being killed. Are you cool with killing innocent civilians?
I dont think anyone is as bloodthirsty for civilians as you make them out to be (unless you are Hamas wanting to eradicate the jews river to the sea style). Simply, Hamas is the problem and i would rather a world without them. Its sad that the innocent have casualties, but i would still blame Hamas for their dirty human shield tactics.
You don’t think #killthemall is bloodthirsty? Or the frightening amount of innocent women and children killed? You can’t use Hamas to keep justifying a genocide and you’re incredibly ignorant of history if you think Hamas is the problem, Hamas is a symptom of Israel’s occupation of Palestine.
We refuse to comply with Israeli explanations for their crimes against humanity.
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Pleas learn to apply nuance
Nuance in whther or not I support a terror organization? Yeah thats a no from me any way its spun. Dont come at me when your favorite terror group recruits children as fodder and use their death as justification for more senseless terror.
Your government is terroristic, why are you so cool with terrorists and genocide? Your tax dollars are going directly to slaughtering small children, what do you have to say for yourself?
Are we talking about Hamas here still? How much money did gaza alone get in foreign aid this year again only to not spend on munitions and not launch terror strikes? Interesting
Are you cool being one?
Is every person in Gaza a terrorist?
will, that clears that right up!
His comment rightly SHOULDN’T be removed. I strongly disagree with him, but he should be allowed to say it.
I disagree. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. His consequence is that the other people that live in the society he shares is fed up with him and do not want him to take part in it anymore. He can go somewhere else. We don’t want to hear it.
“Allowed” by whom?
The right to free speech protects him from the government, not a content policy from a private company.
Free speech is a concept that exists outside the first ammendment or other laws. Pretending it doesn’t is intellectually dishonest.
I mean, sure, it’s a concept that exists, but so is the concept of, “Talk shit, get hit.”
Concepts aren’t enforcable. Laws and policies are. Please learn the difference.
Talk shit get hit is a pithy quote compared to millenia of philosophy on the importance of free speech.
I agree, which is why we have laws and content policies in order to enforce when free speech is acceptable or not.
Freedom of speech does not cover threads or encouraging to harm others
It’s funny how that rule often gets applied unevenly to one side, though.
What do you mean? I dont see this being the case
I used to feel the same in these situations, but then I learned about the paradox of tolerance. Now I am much more of the opinion that James is free to say whatever he wants about any subject, but no one is required to give him a platform to do so.
I don’t understand free speech absolutists. You don’t think that maybe calling for all Palestinians to be killed is maybe a bit genocidal and should perhaps be discouraged on a social media platform?
Mind you this isn’t a law and wouldn’t lead to any actual limiting of liberties, it just means we discourage genocide on social media. Something that seems pretty reasonable to me, and I think any large enough platform should probably feel some obligation to do.
I wonder if they would still feel that way if they knew how radio stations were used to foment the Rwandan genocide?
Who am I kidding? Probably.
I’ll agree he should be allowed to say it when people who say shit like this get held accountable and suffer consequences.
so, in essence, i disagree.
Stfu with your support for hate speech.
Why do you think this? I want you to spell out your reasoning.
It deliberately violates one of Elon’s rules. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1725645884409401435?t=of_wAna2huOq-T3xFaOk4A&s=19
James Woods has one of the highest IQs on record, but it goes to show you that being smart doesn’t make you smart…if you catch my drift.
ETA: not really sure why people took exception to this. It has been reported many times over the years that he is supposed to be exceptionally intelligent and I am certainly not making this up.
That claim came from a single source; Sinembargo.mx. MENSA also refuted this claim and a perfect score for a MENSA test is also “just” 162. It’s highly unlikely to be true.
He’s too dumb for even MENSA, the club for mouthbreathers that pay money to be told that they’re smart.
They got a free online test too though, it does however come with a long text telling the mouthbreather that the result is only valid when the test is taken in person with them.
Reminds me of scientology
Being smart doesn’t mean you’re a good person. Case in point, James Woods.
In the wise words of Smash Mouth:
Your brain gets smart but your head gets dumb.
I agree with you. I also doubt James Woods actually has a high IQ.
This reminds me of a study I read once that found that more intelligent people are better able to talk themselves into believing whatever they want to believe. I wish I could find it again. It was really interesting!
Oh baby, gonna need that source just in time for Thanksgiving
Listen to him talk about anything. He’s an absolute moron.
high intelligence is a strong predictor of mental illness, of which this is an unfortunate example.
Looked this up just now, it seems it’s not true
hmm, interesting! it’s been considered “common wisdom” since I was in university, always intriguing to have these unquestioned misconceptions corrected.
To be honest I didn’t read the whole article and methods (just the summary) but it may be possible that increased intelligence just leads to increased masking, which changes the rate of diagnosis and skews the results. However, the results in the paper are quite significant so even if that’s true those effects may just return them to “evens”.
I won’t ever have that problem then.
Horse shoe IQ theory?
No need to state that, I bet that’s already in their plans
