I’d prefer the cryptkeeper surgeon who is at least trying, as opposed to the orange ghoul who is there to harvest your organs for some spare change.
The problem lies with the hospital which allowed those to be the only options to begin with.
I for one would prefer to have my appendix removed by a competent surgeon just over 35 y.o., but until hospital staff management gets their shit together, there isn’t a whole lot one can do.
this all the way. I have very vocally stated there needs to be an age ceiling on positions, there is age floors, there is zero reasons not to have an age ceiling.
My current job has an age ceiling of 70 years, and I have very limited authority when it comes to deployment of nuclear tech.
Voting Biden. Fuck all these takes. I’ll never vote R again and I’ll always vote. You old bastards die mad at the world.
Many of these folks are still going to hold their nose and vote for Biden. A lot of these takes are valid criticisms without necessarily meaning they aren’t voting for him. Hating every candidate and voting for one anyway is a long standing tradition here in Canada.
THEN OFFER A SOLUTION. GIVE AN ALTERNATIVE.
FFS I am so tired of this. It’s a critique with no idea what to do instead.
Here are the 4 options
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Vote Trump
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Vote Biden
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Vote 3rd party/independent/write-in
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Don’t vote
What do any of these critiques do to change this? Are they saying to not vote Biden and do one of the alternative 3 options? What’s the end goal here?
THEN OFFER A SOLUTION. GIVE AN ALTERNATIVE.
Replace him at the Convention. The Party’s donors are fucking panicking right now lol
You think people got mad when Hillary Clinton was “selected” at the Democratic Convention after a nationwide series of primary elections and delegates all voted with her as the winner, can you imagine the shitstorm unilaterally picking some other candidate to replace Joe Biden without even the pretense of a primary process?
There was barely the pretense of a primary anyway, no one serious ran against Biden and there weren’t debates and anyone who voted against Biden was screamed at by the entire rest of the Party. People are already pretty mad about that, and then being told “vote for this nursing home patient or the government will kill you” isn’t making it better.
So unilaterally picking someone else will make it… better?
Biden is behind Trump in gd New Jersey, which has been a democratic stronghold since 1988. Biden is unfit for office now and he’s only getting older! How much worse will he be by the next debate? Or by the election? Will he even make it to November??
Who announced their intention to run against Biden and got screamed at by the entire party that was actually a serious contender? We had one no-chance tepid foot put forward. That’s it. I bet you can’t even name them without looking it up.
You’re just making shit up now.
Who announced their intention to run against Biden and got screamed at by the entire party that was actually a serious contender?
Not what I said. I said anyone who voted against Biden got screamed at. Did you forget?
The great thing about a lemmy.ml comment is I can just down vote without reading because I know its bullshit.
It’s like I’m back on Reddit 😂
There was a full primary in 2020 and in modern times incumbent presidents don’t have primaries in their second terms.
With who? In case you haven’t been paying attention, nobody polls better than Biden. The majority of voters are mush-brained dipshits who operate off name recognition and vague feelings.
Yeah, because he’s the only one actually campaigning. That has an impact on polls!
You’re dodging my question. With who?
As I said elsewhere, I heard an interesting idea on DemocracyNow
I was trying to lay out a process that would create an organized and very democratic and transparent process to choose a new nominee. It would basically compress the primary process into a month.
There are 400-plus members of the Democratic National Committee. It would convene, nominations would be open, and we would get a requirement that anyone who wanted to be nominated for president or run in this primary would have to have the signature of 40 sitting members of the Democratic National Committee, including at least four from each of the four regions of the party. Now, since there’s only 400-plus members, very few people could actually do that. It would be people that we know. It would be Governor Whitmer, it would be Cory Booker, it would be Kamala Harris and Governor Newsom and Governor Pritzker and maybe Governor Shapiro from Pennsylvania — people who already have a constituency and have states with members, enough members on the DNC that they would be able to get the required 40 in a week’s time.
Then they would begin to campaign. They’d be certified by the secretary as legitimate nominees. They would show they have a national base of support among elected Democratic Party officials. And then the party would organize a couple of town halls, televised town halls, where the candidates would appear. We’d go to the convention, and it would be like the convention of 1960, where it would be wall-to-wall campaigning for delegates, the elected delegates, most of whom are Biden delegates. He would release them.
And it would be pretty exciting. The networks, the media would cover it wall to wall, as opposed to the way they cover these scripted conventions now, which maybe give it an hour or two each night. We’d have nominations from the floor. We’d have the speeches given. We’d have the horse trading taking place between state delegations. And an eventual nominee would be elected, probably after more than one ballot. But people would leave the convention with the new nominee energized, with wind in that nominee’s sails.
The question of “with who” would be answered by an exciting democratic process that would energize the Party for the election.
Again, your narrative is dependent on this false premise you’ve set up that Biden “has” to be the nominee.
I’d love to know what we citizens can do to convince the DNC to stop nominating these out-of-touch antiques for candidates?
I’m serious. Because until we get the DNC to change their behavior, this same shit is going to continue to happen.
There’s a reason why the likes of Bernie Sanders and AOC don’t get nominated. It’s because they won’t toe the line of what the DNC wants.
And voting third party does no good. It’s a losing choice that only helps the republicans; because any vote that is not for the D is a vote for an R.
Third parties do not get fair treatment during elections, so they do not get the same exposure. And everyone knows it’s all about the exposure you get. Mostly through adverts, mailers, phone calls, etc… But also TV airtime, news articles, debates, and so on.
Yeah it’s unfair and it’s bullshit and woulda shoulda coulda. Make all the excuses you want; shit ain’t changing until this duopoly is changed. And right now, they’ve got their heads so far up their asses that they can lick their own uvulas.
So how do we change that? Seriously. Legitimately. Realistically.
Because not voting for Biden is the same as voting for Trump, and goddamnit we cannot survive another term with that poor excuse for a human being.
Because not voting for
Bidenthe Democratic nominee is the same as voting for Trump, and goddamnit we cannot survive another term with that poor excuse for a human being.Ftfy.
As of today those are the options. If it changes then great. But whining on lemmy and calling it a “critique” isn’t going to make that happen.
Well you aren’t living in a fact based reality then.
Last I checked Biden was the presumptive nominee. If somebody else is the nominee, I will probably vote for them. I don’t understand the issue here.
Well he’s not the nominee then is he?
The issue is that their shithead Kremlin boss told them “make Biden look bad”
Your script is pretty tight now
If anything, the person you’re responding to is advocating for voting for Biden. (They stated they live in Canada, so I’d imagine they won’t be voting for Biden themselves.)
Are you misunderstanding, responding to folks who are planning not to vote for Biden (who aren’t even mentioned in the post you’re responding to), or arguing it’s not ok to voice criticisms of Biden at all (regardless of whether one plans to vote for him or not)?
AOC… There now you have an alternative. No one can prevent Dems from losing but Biden. He has to step aside. Otherwise Trump is going to get elected.
AOC isn’t old enough to run for president.
like, seriously. there’s only 3 rules to be president, and two of them are “born in the usa or you were around before the usa existed”. The other is “be 35+”
jfc. you people. 🤦♂️
AOC will be 35 in time. She is able to be President and you would know that has you done any basic research on the issue instead of spewing misinformation for whatever reason.
“SPEWING MISINFORMATION.”
jfc. you fucking nutters.
So you are worried that Biden is going to lose and want to run a candidate that will win… And your first suggestion is AOC ~4mo before the general?
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I’m voting Biden, but I still hate both him and Trump, and I hate that he’s refusing to drop out even though every D voter in the country is begging him to drop out.
The only reason I’m voting for him is because I want to stave off fascism for another 4 years.
I treat an R like 7-up: never have, never will.
For those too young to remember the commercial:
At this point i feels like it’s all republican trying to do a psyop telling people not to vote.
Why can’t we just express our disgust with the situation we’re in without being called a psyop? I’m going to vote for Biden. I’m still pissed that this is where we’re at. People were saying he was too old in the primaries before the last election and the Dems still shoved him down our throats and they’re going to do it again. It’s fucking bullshit. At the very least we need a candidate that’s young enough that they’re going to have to live with the consequences of their decsisions
It doesn’t matter if you literally preface every comment you make with “I AM VOTING BLUE NO MATTER WHO” with these people, every criticism is a psyop to get people to not vote.
You’d think having a candidate that polls like shit would be what makes people not vote for him. But no, it’s actually the fault of the people pointing out he is a bad candidate and that perhaps we should run someone who doesn’t repeatedly shout that “we beat Medicare” in the middle of a fucking debate.
The Democratic establishment fucking loves Trump, the specter of him is a permanent fundraiser and no matter who they trot out or how weak a candidate they are they don’t have to change anything, because the alternative is literally fascism.
These are people that blame the fire alarm going off for starting the fire.
I’m going to vote for Biden.
Then save the issues until we’re sure we still have democracy.
No, you motherfuckers have been telling me to keep my opinions to myself since the last election and I’m sick of it. If he can’t get enough votes to win that’s on the Dems for running him in the first place. Fuck you and fuck them. It’s long past time to stop blaming the fucking republicans for the mess we’re in and actually push back. Maybe if he actually used that power the supreme court just handed him my opinion would change but he’s already admitted he’s too much of a pussy to do anything with it.
Wait until it’s not election year so they can ignore you easier
Stop making such a big deal about civil rights, we want to help but you should do it right
Why would I want to side with climate activists when all they do is block traffic and make my day worse?
MLK Jr was right. The worst people are the ones who are comfortable where they are and want to stop any change they see happening because it might inconvenience their idea of reality. They’ll let the actual enemy win just to make sure they don’t have to hear how they are involved in their own downfall.
You’re describing conservatives. Get on the Dem train if you’re being. Honest with yourself.
Yeah I’m describing white liberals which mostly call themselves Democrats without reaching to their larger voting base of the actual working class.
Damn. I thought cultish thought-stopping was something we didn’t really have very far left of (what the U.S. calls) center. Would you like to see Democrats comparing Biden to Jesus like the MAGA crowd does Trump? The day the Democratic party becomes just as much of a cult as the Republican party is the day we have two literally fascist parties to choose between rather than a fascist party and still-a-major-win-for-the-fascists-but-at-least-not-quite-as-bad party.
Unless something completely unexpected (like a third party candidate actually having a chance of winning) happens between now and November, I’m voting blue no matter who in the general election. I think everyone else in the U.S. should as well, and I’ll tell them that. But nobody is served by liberals (and lefties) deluding themselves into thinking our choice is between anything other than two unequal evils.
What’s your reasoning here? Are you hoping that if you and I lie and say Biden’s going to fix everything, it’ll get more people to vote blue than if we tell them to vote for the lesser evil (which, to be clear, is the candidate with the D next to their name)? Because I really think the case could be made that the opposite is true. Or do you really think Biden is a perfect, infallable candidate?
That happened already
It’s gone. You ain’t had that in years. The reichstag already happened, yall just catching on 20 years late cause the mask is now longer necessary.
Or maybe we are just panicking at the person we can literally tell is unliked by other voters when even the people who will begrudgingly hold our nose at the vote are starting to get disgusted by the smell.
Seriously how hard is it to to not pretend people aren’t struggling swallowing it down and the people ringing alarm bells are just that and not some special person trying to influence others but just don’t want to hit the iceberg because it seemed like it would cost less fuel to just try ramming it and hoping we get lucky.
Fuck me. This is gonna be one of those parts of textbooks where it says infighting led to the party not moving fast enough to face the threat and whichever side makes it out the other side scapegoats the other as being the reason it got so bad.
Always has been.
Conservatism is the minority in America, and rarely wins through above average voter turnout, which is why they do everything in their power to gerrymander and disenfranchise voters. That doesn’t change the following facts:
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The “resign” efforts are a campaign spearheaded by the fascist propaganda machine (because they have no platform beyond fascist dictatorship).
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Anyone and anything, from a dementia ward patient to a wet sack of shit, is more qualified and deserving than every 21st C Republican.
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Biden is in noticeable cognitive decline, his debate performance was ridiculous, he probably will not live another 4 years, and isn’t there because he’s the best choice.
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Correct.
RepublicanKremlin. Pretty fucked that Lemmy swallows it hook, line, and sinker.But also the snowflakes that avoid tarnishing their pure souls by avoiding difficult choices altogether. They don’t care if america falls to facism, as long as they can brag about being morally better than you.
Thankfully, normal people still outnumber them.
Yeah, its sad. They’ll abstain because of righteous indignation, then act horrified when their lack of action has consequences.
They need to vote, however.
Oh yes, I’m never going to discourage voting, because that’s dumb and only benefits one side.
Always has been.
Has been that for months.
If my choice was between that and the doctor who said “I’ve got this handgun, it’s the best handgun, nobody kills more patients than me”…
Dr. Trump: “To be completely honest with you, I’m really lucky to have this operation. The board was about to submit judgement with serious repercussions to my personal life, but I managed to get in here just in time to dodge all responsibility. Anyways, I don’t actually believe in medicine so I’m gonna let my Office of Management and Budget handle the situation from here.”
Russ Vought: “First of all, every nurse is fired. The Anesthesiologist, too.”
That’s not the point at hand though. You are just making yourself feel better about the shitty candidate that can probably lose anyways because you will have felt safe in your heart that yours was less terrible.
Pathetic, apathetic, and lazy.
Depends… is your other option not a doctor at all, and he hates you, and has openly stated that he hopes you die in the procedure? Those are you current two choices, America. Go with the sleepy one.
It’s not “either Biden or Trump”, just have the Democrats present Kamala or Buttigieg or whoever. Polls already point as alternatives to Biden as more likely to beat Trump, and chances are that Biden keeps screwing it up during the following months.
Hey, of the DNC pulls the trigger and runs Kamala or Bootygreg or some other younger Dem…well, I am voting AGAINST P2025, so I don’t care…but I am not voting third party and spoiling the vote because “old man old”…his crew is competent and doing good things. Shitz have him take Kami or Bootyjudge as VP and just bow out after the race…again don’t care.
I’m not saying “Don’t vote Democrat if their candidate is Biden”, I’m saying “there’s a fuckton of low-information voters who are unlikely to vote for a guy who clearly displays Biden’s health issues”.
“there’s a fuckton of low-information voters who are unlikely to vote for a guy who clearly displays Biden’s health issues”.
There’s a lot of people who complain but know the reality of the situation and will vote according but low info voters are another issue altogether. People on here don’t realize that.
There’s a lot of people out there who don’t pay nearly the same amount of attention to the news as the people on lemmy do. You have to work around these groups. This is why being likeable is important. These people lack most of the information, many of them don’t even care. You can’t just sit there and scream at them how they’re ruining their own lives. That doesn’t work.
At some point I’m going to assume that half of Lemmy users are solipsists.
I think its pronounced socialist
Especially when there are people like you making these arguments.
Hmm, makes you think…
Blaming the smoke detector beeping for causing the fire.
STFU. You are either an idiot or a Trumper.
The time to talk about alternative leadership was two years ago.
This argument clearly only helps the MAGA movement right now. Which means you are either a total fucking idiot, or a fascist pretending to be a Democrat. (I guess you are a fucking idiot either way).
What’s the point of private American Health Care if I can’t choose my doctor?
Making corporations money, duh.
It’s not like you can pick your doctor either, have to be in network, etc, etc, unless you’re rich enough to afford possibly millions in medical bills
Not mentioning with how hospitals are run now there IS only one doctor per specialty covering 3 county hospitals.
It also completely ignores the fact that the sleepy doctor has had a nearly perfect record at the operation. It’s only the other guy that poses any threat.
The guy that helped set up for profit prisons, and made it so youth would be fucked over by non forgiveable loans, and helped setup tax evasion for massive corporations, and actually helped create the framework for dismantling roe v wade saying it went to far, and supported the Iraq war, and supports imperialism, and now can barely talk or respond coherently… Has “a nearly perfect record” ???
Sure.
As far as centrists are concerned, that’s a stellar record.
So let’s go with the convicted felon doctor who only saves the patients who donate millions of dollars to him. The hospital fired him but he refused to leave his office.
Edit: also he’s 78 and talks about Hannibal Lecter a lot.
You can’t do that because in this attempt to manufacture outrage, the convicted felon doctor doesn’t exist.
You see- they can’t help Trump get elected if they include him in their disaster scenarios.
But there is only two people in the country rich enough to pretend to be doctors and the whole country is like: this is normal, and you like the racist one or whatever the other one has to offer.
Fucking 👌
Gotta love all these anti-Biden straw man posts where we overlook the reality of a thing and substitute in some random bullshit that makes our point for us.
It’s so fun to suspend reality in order to manufacture outrage for others.
I didn’t even have to look to know who posted this, too. It’s like a fulltime job.
Yep. Predictable as a cicada that magically appears every four years to tell everyone why they shouldn’t vote for a democrat and then vanishes into obscurity.
You realize it takes literally 30 seconds to screenshot a tweet and post it here, right?
So, you’re only being paid part-time?
Pretty sure the other doctor would straight up kill me. Hmmm tough choice.
The other guy is actively googling how much different organs sell for on the black market.
And people don’t want him either.
The whataboutism doesn’t make Biden any better it just makes you look petty and unable to move on and try to do something about the issues at hand.
Right? If the other doctor brought in a bunch of fishermen and a stockbroker, and a radio host, and a mime to help with the surgery and said “I saw this on TV once and I am an expert” then started up a chainsaw…I’d worry a little and take the other guy.
I feel it’s more like the other guy is actually a barber who happens to have a meat pastry shop on the floor below his
butcherbarbershop
What a shame that no one can convince either of these doctors to step down for a younger, more capable doctor. Guess we’ll just die.
Yeah he really would, could you imagine. “Ok I’m just going to inject the painkiller… Oh I mean bleach, ah no matter it’ll still clean out any COVID you have”
If only there were hundreds of other doctors that could step in.
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Like, vote Biden, but also encourage the Democrats to put up somebody who has more going for them than “I’m not Trump”. And if they actually do, vote for the new Democrat candidate instead. And while we’re fantasizing, everybody should get free ice cream.
Fantastic! More propaganda from return2ozma. What a typical day on lemmy.
i wonder if you’ll ever see the similarities between trump’s camp and biden’s. yaknow how he has folks who love him no matter what he does and says, right?
its ok to not like biden or be unhappy if he says shit you dont like. its also a good thing for democracy. If you were only exposed to the pro biden propaganda every day you wouldn’t even know he did or said these things. If everyone thought exactly as you do there would be no nuance.
Ozma’s hard-on for biden memes doesn’t mean theyre a psyop, thats the dumbest fucking idea ive ever heard someone say with a serious face on lemmy. like embarrassingly stupid.
And embarrasingly useless. I’ve seein ozma around and no matter how many times you say he’s a propagandist he will not stop. You and your ilk will never stop whinging about people who say things that attack your fragile world-view.
Not that you and your friviolous friends i see crowding ozmas posts will ever engage in self-reflection.
The idea that trumps cult is anything comparable to Biden supporters is absolutely the most insane shit take.
You can’t be serious.
Man you are such a psyop.
Running around telling everyone that the only option is to run the poorly polling candidate.That his loss is “possible but oh well, only one option”.
Man Russia is taking a weird strategy to get their pick in these days.Bruh, you’re talking about supporting project 2025 and literal fascism.
Shut the fuck up.
Jesus fucking Christ it’s not complicated.
“Wah wah Biden is tired, let’s elect Hitler”. Fucking dumbasses.
No I’m not I’m just so tired of it being only one way that we pretend the complaints and warnings are the problem.
I didn’t say that at all and you keep lashing out at the people that also don’t want to live in fascism.
No, you are just running an argument that was created by the right’s agenda.
So are you actually an agent of the right, trying to push that line, or just a moron who fell for that stupid argument?
Oh no. The right has spies everywhere… They’re even inside your own party!!!
You idiots are so paranoid about your bogeyman you feel you can just ignore every criticism because it’s probably some evil person trying to stop you from your perfect idea of reality. It’s not perfect. Grow up.
“If Biden stays in the race, he will lose to Hitler”
“ZOMG YUO WANT HITLER?!??!?!”
What you don’t seem to realize is how politics works. Everyone running around regurgitating what they saw some headline say and screaming in panic that they’re going to lose will make them lose.
You want to know why Trump supporters rally around him no matter what? It’s not because they’re idiots (though most are), it’s because they actually understand the importance of projecting strength as a collective and using that to shape a narrative into reality.
Yes Biden fucked up at the debate, but you know whats actually causing him to lose support? Everyone talking and publishing articles about him sounding hoarse and that meaning he has to quit, non stop. They’re not doing it because they have anyone else they think can actually beat Trump, they’re doing it because it made them scared and now they’re panicking and turning it into a self fulfilling prophecy (and in many cases, because they have an article quota to fill and they can capitalize on audiences feeling nervous after the debate by feeding that fear to get clicks in the most bombastic way).
Biden seemed old. Trump seems old literally every week. No one is watching that debate and changing their mind to vote for the mean forgetful lying pervert geriatric who shits himself over the geriatric.
What you don’t seem to realize is how politics works.
Christ, this shit again. Every last time a centrist gets called out on their bullshit, they pull out this gaslighty chestnut.
Everyone running around regurgitating what they saw some headline say and screaming in panic that they’re going to lose will make them lose.
Sure. It’s not like you were gonna blame anyone but the left when a neoliberal earns a loss. We warn you and you do something pigheaded and stupid anyway, and then you blame us.
Yes Biden fucked up at the debate, but you know whats actually causing him to lose support?
Him fucking up at the debate, in addition to his unconditional support for Netanyahu’s genocide.
Everyone talking and publishing articles about him sounding hoarse and that meaning he has to quit, non stop.
“We finally beat Medicare” isn’t hoarse. Forgetting which question he’s answering isn’t hoarse. Getting in a pissy little slapfight about fucking GOLF isn’t hoarse.
You just want everyone to your left to shut up and be happy. And maybe vote, as a tertiary priority.
Biden seemed old. Trump seems old literally every week.
Biden IS old. Not hoarse, not suffering from a cold, not hit with an energy weapon, not overprepared, not jet lagged, not any of the other ridiculous excuses that the “you don’t know how anything works now shut up” crowd insults everyone within earshot by expecting them to buy. The sun wasn’t in his eyes. The dog didn’t eat his homework.
Trump seems old literally every week.
He sure fucking does. And we need someone who can beat him. Biden is no longer that candidate. His debate performance wasn’t a fluke and there’s no way in hell you don’t know it.
Did you just call that person and Operation…that is really strange.
Deadly serious. Would you like to go into it more with me to see what i mean, or is this comment a statement of your final thought on the matter?
EDIT: I am gonna take a wild swing and guess you’re a perfect example of who i’m talking about.
Their fear of Trump clouds their critical thinking skills.
BREAKING NEWS! Fans defend their own teams and bash opposing teams! …and I guess that fact somehow lines up with objective realities of a political situation and means both sides policies are the same…because reasons‽
Woah that’s really cool.
This comment makes it seem like you have zero exposure to politics outside of Lemmy/Reddit echo chambers. It also makes you look like a fucking idiot.
I’ve noticed the hottest takes usually come after a thread has cooled. Would you care to tell me how i seem ignorant? I would like to come across as learned in your eyes. Please advise if you have content behind your words, with your point. Or are you afraid of exposing your own lacka acumen?
I don’t give a shit how demented biden gets. fucking Regan showed that you won’t even notice if the support staff step up.
So if the support staff will do everything, why Biden?
Like would you feel comfortable seeing your pilot pound a fifth of whiskey and then snort a couple.lines of coke before walking on the plane?
You do have a co-pilot there anyways…
Like, why not ask for a competent president in addition to the staff?
Especially when half the plane is insisting Jesus will take the wheel and we don’t need pilots and there’s a vote coming?
I don’t trust the support staff the other guy is going to pick.
But it’s not just Biden or trump…
We’re talking about replacing Biden with someone that’s more likely to win the election.
Like, if we run Biden and the polls are right, you know that means trump picks the staff…
Right?
someone that’s more likely to win the election.
Who would that be though?
Literally any Dem not named Hilary Clinton…
I used to include Kamala, but honestly I think she’ll do well enough to beat trump. Her biggest criticism is being a prosecutor, but she’s up against trump, she knows how to handle criminals
It’s not even about who I want to be president. I sure as shit don’t want Kamala. I just want trump less.
If I thought sticking my head in the sand would help beat Trump I would.
I feel better about him than the guy who wants to fly the plane into a skyscraper and who gets to pick a support staff that might help him do that. The airline has terrible staffing policies, but I don’t really get to change them in the 30 minutes before the plane takes off.
You do know you’re in a thread about Biden stepping aside, right?
And the question was:
Why Biden instead of any other Dem
And I’m just getting responses about how Biden is better than trump.
Literally nobody here is disagreeing with that.
You’re just making the case that not even Biden supporters can explain why they think he has to be the nominee. At least not a reason that’s not easily disproven.
You do realize Biden has a staff of over 120 people with roles that include trying to control narratives on social media. I think some of these people are legitimate but I can’t help but think some of them are AI bots or staffers working for Biden trying to manipulate the conversations and discussions.
Biden is toast. The sooner Democrats, bots and staff members realize that the quicker we can energize the party with a different candidate that people actually like and that can engage in unscripted questions and policy discussions while speaking from the heart.
If this was twitter, reddit, or Facebook maybe. Especially if they werent always down voted.
But the chances of that happening on Lemmy is almost zero. It’s just a shit return of investment due to the small userbase and engagement.
It’s honestly what I like best about Lemmy.
Lemmy is where people with actual ideas go. Those capable of thinking outside the box. Government usually tries to stay on top of progressive technology because it is where change is actually happening. Twitter, Reddit, etc. is just a bunch of bots competing with other bots.
The reason is I don’t get to pick who the nominee is at this point.
You missed the part where I said I don’t give a shit.
These non-voter apologists are just Trumpers in donkey clothing.
Notice they always have to neg him in a vacuum, because once he is juxtaposed to Trump, he looks like the best parts of Thomas Jefferson and John Adams put together.
They will say or do anything to suppress the vote.
Great, Biden’s not perfect, he is also a million fucking percent better than the alternative.
How many actual people are you seeing saying they won’t vote? Cause 1/100 isn’t really that high when everyone keeps saying they are voting blue but you ignore that bit to simply say the people disagreeing with you are the true problem and not all the people not on here voting for Trump.
You have the face of an ally near you that you can treat like that of the enemy since you can’t touch them.
Are you implying that the Washington bureau chief of the intercept is a Trump toady?
May as well be just any non-american who can’t beliefe this joke of an election is actually happening.
Oh look, more blue MAGA disinformation claiming anybody who isnt 150% onboard with biden is actually a trump supporter or Russian plant telling people not to vote (even when they say they’re voting, because rejecting the reality in front of you is important for fascism )
I don’t think it’s that, i think it’s the part of about acting like biden being a bad choice is fairly comparing him to a alternative. It’s like saying Biden is a car that might break down so don’t buy it…but the car that’s already broken down, had knives for seats and only plays white supremacy youtube stations on loop on the radio. I mean we can admit a lot of flaws on the democrat side before we have to actually start comparing it to the republican options.
Sure… but if we’re talking about the presidency, it’s more like we’re choosing a Dean of Medicine, rather than the surgeon who’s going to be doing the operation.
Don’t get me wrong, I would prefer not to have to deal with an 81 year old Dean who had some good days and some really bad ones. But, ultimately, the Dean of Medicine’s most important job is hiring good doctors and then delegating to them. It’s a rare occasion when you know ahead of time who the Dean’s team will be… but in this case we’ve seen both options as Dean, and we know that only one of the two is planning to hire Dr. Nick Riviera and Zoidberg.
So much “but trump worst!!” in this thread, oof. Vote for the Biden administration if that’s your only choice, fine. But stop pretending that Biden himself is voteworthy - he’s not, and is hardly capable of functioning normally for 6 hours out of the day at this point. Anyone paying attention for the past year who is engaging in honest good faith, should be able to attest to that.
It would be much better for Biden to step down while there’s still time, if you’re really so terrified of Trump and want to ensure a Republican defeat come November. Those who are pushing for Biden himself to stay in are the real threat to democracy.
Come on Dems, how many times do you have to be taught the lesson of Feinstein and RBG?! For that matter, why are you so insistent on politicians literally working into the grave? It’s a grotesque level of elder abuse, what’s being done to Biden right now. You all should be ashamed.
I don’t get to see Biden for 6hrs out of the day like you seem to…I don’t care who runs. I’ll vote against P2025…run who you want, the DNC are knobs, but they make the call that our stupid FPTP system allows.
Yes, as I said vote for the admin if you must, which seems to be the choice forced upon us.
As for Biden, one of the excuses his own team trodded out for his demonstrably ailing performance is that he is only “on” between the hours of 10-4 each day. That is unacceptable for POTUS.
This happens probably because of ppl who actually decide are mostly old rich ppl.
Great, so make your argument heard two years ago and not a few months before the election.
Otherwise, your arguments/debate is just supporting the no vote agenda that is being astro turfed by the right. Which means you are probably a subversive.
We’ve been saying this shit since 2020. Those complaints just haven’t really been acknowledged by democrats until recently when they started running out of ways to plausibly deny it. They quelled it in 2020 by implying he would be only a 1 term president and, using the same existential threats as they’re relying on now, they barely eeked out a win that mostly came down to historic voter turn out.
Now, 4 years later, him being 800 years old is just the cherry on top. After a strategy that seems to have been just keeping him out of the spotlight, he and his PR team have been completely unable to effectively communicate what his administration has actually accomplished, and lets not forget about Palestine; it hasn’t even been a year since all hell broke loose on that issue and Biden’s handling of it has been wishy-washy at best, but whatever it doesn’t matter because the other guy is worse and uh-oh, we didn’t have a real primary to decide if there’s someone better out there. Too bad! Don’t care, didn’t ask.
Enough with this astroturfing shit, this is all plain to see for anyone paying attention. Biden staying in the race is actively hurting the chances of a democrat win, AND democrats down-ballot, and it’s nobody’s fault but the people that insist on him running against all possible voter indications that they won’t vote for him, just as it was with Hilary in 2016. They expected everything to fix itself and everyone to fall in line just like in 2020 because Trump is worse and now they’re shitting themselves because after their loss in 2016 and not nearly as much energy now as in 2020, they (or their donors) are starting to realize that voters might not be bluffing.
I say keep shitting on Biden, because it’s the only thing that seems to be getting democrats to slowly realize that unless they offer someone to voters that can win on their own merits against a competent opponent, they could actually lose to Trump. Again. Fucking embarrassing.
I took me a while to come back and find this reply.
I want to say that I am glad that there were people like you that stuck to your guns. I have hope again.
I was wrong and I am really glad that I was.
Cheers to you.
(Now I have a bunch of other people I need to find and say the same thing to.)
We’ve been making this argument for the last 3+ years, my dude.
No one who is saying all of this now was silent the last few years. I’ve personally been donating to, campaigning for, and bolstering the messaging of non-Mainstream-Dem candidates since I became disillusioned with Obama in my mid 20s. It’s not our fault y’all have been fucking ignoring us.
It’s like they completely ignore the fact that they have been completely ignoring us for 4 years and it’s just everyone else that’s wrong and if they shout a little louder everyone else will just finally do what they say.
It won’t work. They are the kind of people who got in the way of civil rights and left movements in fascist countries all over the world.
They won’t even be able to comprehend how they caused their own pain and go down blaming others that they never had a chance to control anyways.
I took me a while to come back and find this reply.
I want to say that I am glad that there were people like you that stuck to your guns. I have hope again.
I was wrong and I am really glad that I was.
Cheers to you.
(Now I have a bunch of other people I need to find and say the same thing to.)
Yeah I’m glad we didn’t shut up. But also that it worked.
And thanks for coming back.
I took me a while to come back and find this reply.
I want to say that I am glad that there were people like you that stuck to your guns. I have hope again.
I was wrong and I am really glad that I was.
Cheers to you.
(Now I have a bunch of other people I need to find and say the same thing to.)
Yeah, about that…as others pointed out, this sentiment isn’t new, it’s just finally breaking through to establishment dems and those in the corporate media because it’s become impossible to deny any longer.
Personally, I’ve maintained that Biden isn’t well qualified since he got picked as Obama’s VP to appeal to closeted racists. I certainly campaigned hard against him in 2020 when he crawled out of his cave to steal the nomination from Bernie for the 2nd election in a row, for many reasons which happened to include risks from his extremely advanced age and ailing mental faculties. And now here we are, undeniable for all to see, when it actually matters and we need a strong candidate to defeat a fascist uprising in the US we have Biden, one of the only Dem contenders capable of losing to Trump.
Here is something for you to consider - a candidate, especially an incumbent, should be able to earn votes by exhibiting a strong and successful record of leadership accomplishments and capabilities. They don’t deserve votes by virtue of party membership - they have to earn it. Perhaps those who choose not to vote simply haven’t been convinced Biden deserves it. You don’t get to blame and shame voters in this situation. The only one deserving of blame here is Biden himself, for putting his ego above the best interests of the nation.
I took me a while to come back and find this reply.
I want to say that I am glad that there were people like you that stuck to your guns. I have hope again.
I was wrong and I am really glad that I was.
Cheers to you.
(Now I have a bunch of other people I need to find and say the same thing to.)
Hey, thanks for taking the time to return here with this response. Massive respect to you for doing so. I trust we’re both enjoying the fresh wave of momentum resulting from the turn of events, and am excited to join you on Nov 5 to vote =] cheers!
Well the alternative is a convicted rapist who wants to harvest your organs…
