Hamas has spent years stockpiling desperately needed fuel, food and medicine, as well as ammo and weapons, in the miles of tunnels it has carved out under Gaza.

Hamas has spent years stockpiling desperately needed fuel, food and medicine, as well as ammo and weapons, in the miles of tunnels it has carved out under Gaza.

  • Rapidcreek
    33·
    8 months ago

    If Hamas had operated strictly & solely against Israeli military units & installations on 10/7/23 and left civilians the hell alone, we wouldn’t have to be here.

    • danhakimi@kbin.socialOP
      13·
      8 months ago

      Hamas has never focused on military targets. Their founding charter specifically calls for the death of all Jews worldwide and forbids any conception of peace.

      • Rapidcreek
        6·
        8 months ago

        But the Israelis killed themselves is just the kind of BS hamas is known for.

            • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
              1·
              8 months ago

              I saw the CNN interview. She didn’t mention the Israeli troops murdering civilians. The interview was with an Israeli radio station and reported on by Haaretz, which is a well known Israeli newspaper.

              • danhakimi@kbin.socialOP
                1·
                8 months ago

                I cannot find any sign of Yasmin Porat’s name on Haaretz, at least not in their English site. Can you link to the report you’re talking about?

                • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  8 months ago

                  Sorry, Haaretz wasn’t her, it was a guy named Tuval, but is in Hebrew. He said:

                  Haaretz reports: “According to him [Tuval], only on Monday night and only after the commanders in the field made difficult decisions – including shelling houses with all their occupants inside in order to eliminate the terrorists along with the hostages – did the IDF [Israeli army] complete the takeover of the kibbutz. The price was terrible: at least 112 Be’eri people were killed. Others were kidnapped. Yesterday, 11 days after the massacre, the bodies of a mother and her son were discovered in one of the destroyed houses. It is believed that more bodies are still lying in the rubble.”

                  Jacobin article about Yasmin Porat. But again, that references the radio interview, which has been removed since. This is not a hill I’m willing to die on. With scant sources that reference each other and censoring, take this account with skepticism.

          • danhakimi@kbin.socialOP
            3·
            8 months ago

            What does Arabic have to do with the source you posted?

            You know that language wasn’t Arabic, right?

              • bitsplease@lemmy.ml
                1·
                8 months ago

                I can’t believe you’re still acting like you have moral superiority here lol

                “OK, fine - I made up my whole argument, but you’re probably lying too! Afterall, it’s what I’d do!”

                I mean jeez, if you’re going to lie through your teeth about something to try and support some made up point, at least take the 5 seconds to do find out what it is you’re lying about

                Edit: lol, he blocked me - what a tool

              • danhakimi@kbin.socialOP
                1·
                8 months ago

                What? I don’t speak enough Hebrew to understand her interview in Hebrew, which is why I provided her testimony in English, which you can understand without a need of a Translation, and which also addressed your confused question of why Western media wasn’t reporting on it—it was.

                And then you went on to tell the stupidest fucking lie in this thread.

                So what are you bitching about?

    • BabyWah@lemmy.world
      8·
      8 months ago

      What you don’t get is that most people are not justifying the brutal killing of 1400 Israeli people and kidnapping of 200.

      We are just saying don’t kill and punish civilians that had no say in this. Honestly at first I was on Israel’s side, but now? Yeah you showed the world why there even IS a Hamas and how your bloodlust has no end.

      Especially after the ‘parking lot’ comment and the harassment and killing of Palestinians on the West bank, oh I forgot about the 'if Israel was really targeting civilians why are there not more dead Palestinians than just 7000 and raising?

      Just…quit. you’re losing every minute you try to change the narrative. People went through years of this shit and nobody believes it anymore.

      • danhakimi@kbin.socialOP
        2·
        8 months ago

        Especially after the ‘parking lot’ comment and the harassment and killing of Palestinians on the West bank, oh I forgot about the 'if Israel was really targeting civilians why are there not more dead Palestinians than just 7000 and raising?

        Who the fuck do you think you’re replying to, troll?

    • bradorsomething@ttrpg.network
      5·
      8 months ago

      How many civilians are you personally comfortable with dying, past those already dead. No “they’re in the way” bullshit. Give your conscience a number.

      • danhakimi@kbin.socialOP
        3·
        8 months ago

        Comfortable with? Zero. None of this is comfortable. Nobody is happy right now. It’s not like 10/7, when people went around rejoicing in Jewish suffering—now that the war is on, everybody is upset.

        I’ve yet to hear a serious alternative.

    • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
      1·
      8 months ago

      Hamas was just following the rules of warfare that the IDF established. It’s sad that IDF reservists and veterans in the kibbutz used their own families as human shields, but Israel has made it very clear that they believe in killing human shields and the world supports them for it.