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This phrasing is so weaselly you baited me into fact-checking it. Congratulations!
on track to
meaning it’s crediting Biden with things that haven’t happened yet? I didn’t investigate how many future acres he needs to make this meme true.
more land … first-term persident
The Pacific Remote Islands are much larger, but mostly water. Created by Dubya, expanded by Obama, both times in their respective second terms.
modern
Personally, I’d have counted Carter as modern. His Alaska Conservation Act weighed in at 157 million acres. I think that one got Congressional approval too, so maybe they’re only counting land protected by executive fiat.
I appreciate this
Bidens protected acres havent even lasted past his first term. Millions of acres of previously protected land got put for sale exclusively for oil and gas extraction.
So this post is green washing.
All these “Biden is not perfect enough” comments everywhere on lemmy are quite disappointing. Start to sound like propaganda.
No one, surly not a politician, can be good enough in the eyes of purists. (And the conclusion is obvious of course)
D- do you think this meme isn’t propaganda?
We’re allowed to call out BS in our politicians when we see it, even the ones we voted for and plan of voting for again.
Of course this meme is a propaganda, but all these comments are all over lemmy even on serious communities. Sorry, it was a rant generally on lemmy.
No one is claiming that they are upset because he isn’t perfect. Writing a blank check for Israel to kill tens of thousands of civilians is an act that most Democrats aren’t happy about.
He is acting in ways that his constituents dislike, the way they show their contempt is by criticizing his actions. What about that is propaganda?
It doesn’t take a purist to understand that enabling a right winged government to partake in an ethnic cleansing isn’t exactly progressive policy.
Writing a blank check for Israel to kill tens of thousands of civilians is an act that most Democrats aren’t happy about.
Okay, but it literally is. Most Democrats remain in favor of either the current course taken by Biden, or increasing support to Israel.
For the record, while I’m happy support of Israel has decreased, it’s not the simple electoral calculus many leftists on Lemmy seem to think it is. I would love it if the US electorate, or even just the Dem base, was strongly against the genocide. But by and large, we on here, who actually follow foreign affairs, are in the minority.
Okay, but it literally is. Most Democrats remain in favor of either the current course taken by Biden, or increasing support to Israel.
Wrong on every point…
How many times have I fucking said this? Approval of Israeli military action is not the same as approval of US aid to Israel.
Although I apparently did misremember - the numbers are about even rather than a majority in favor.
That’s arguing in semantics. If we have polls saying that the majority of people are paying attention, and stating they don’t approve of Israel’s military action. Then a poll with conflicting information with 40% of responses saying idk, means it was a shitty questionnaire. Or that’s not the right questionnaire to correctly determine if Democrats approve of how bidens handling the conflict.
Approval of Israeli military action is not the same as approval of US aid to Israel.
Also, if we are being pedantic…asking if Biden is “striking the right balance” is not the same as approval of US aid. If we want to be even more pedantic,… US aid is not even appropriate as most people think of “aid” as humanitarian in nature. Israel doesn’t need food or medicine, they need weapons.
I’d like to see a poll that ask if the US should be supplying weapons to a military that primarily have used them to kill women and children.
If there are studies that suggest a majority of people
I’d like to see a poll that ask if the US should be supplying weapons to a military that primarily have used them to kill women and children.
If there are studies that suggest a majority of people
I appreciate your willingness to discuss the matter seriously. I despise the position we’re in, and support the removal of all military and financial aid from Israel. Let me finish cooking and I’ll see if I can find a poll worded specifically enough to suit your criteria.
EDIT: It’s actually in the Pew Poll, I just missed it, it would seem. On the issue of military aid specifically, and not just whether Biden is currently taking the ‘right’ path or a ‘not Israeli favorable enough’ path…
https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2024/03/PRC_2024.3.21_Israel-Hamas_2-04.png
36% in favor to 35% opposed in the general population
25% in favor of military aid to 44% opposed in the Democratic party
I appreciate your willingness to discuss the matter seriously. I despise the position we’re in, and support the removal of all military and financial aid from Israel. Let me finish cooking and I’ll see if I can find a poll worded specifically enough to suit your criteria.
Okay, but is that enough to convince you that the majority of Democrats are not fans of how the Biden administration is handling the situation?
And surely if the majority of constituents disagree with this policy, it makes sense to protest against it?
I understand that a lot more than Palestine is riding on the election. What I don’t understand is why people are upset at his constituents laying out perfectly valid criticism. What I don’t get is people on Lemmy conflating criticisms with propaganda, and attempting to silence those criticisms.
Maybe a better person to be upset at is the elected official, who just so happens to be ignoring the majority of his party to support an ultra conservative government?
Maybe if all the people who “despise the position we’re in” voiced that criticism instead of silencing others, the administration would have to change their stance…
Maybe that’s the whole point of protesting in a democracy…
Edit: on a side note, I would still like to see what happens if you asked those same people who approved of military aid, if they still approved aid knowing that it was going to be used to mostly kill innocent women and children.
Labeling it Israel vs Hamas is not accurate, as 70% of the casualties have been women and children.
Bro really called purists people who are not ok with the biggest humanitarian crisis of the 21st century.
Not to mention how he hasn’t fixed any internal problems, he just didn’t make things a lot worse, which is a pretty low bar to begin with.
Like in this case, we are fucking light years away from anything even remotely close to saving the environment and reversing the damage we have done, yet we have to applaud this party for not making things even worse? Like, have you seen what environmental scientists say about the situation we are in?
Gaza is not even the biggest crisis of the last 2 years. An order of magnitude more people died in the Tigray genocide and there was nary a peep from any of you back then.
Not to mention number of COVID deaths.
Why hasn’t Xi stopped the largest humanitarian crisis of the 21st century?
Surely he isn’t supporting the genocide.
Wait, you say all it takes to be guilty of the genocide is to ‘not stop it’.
Xi is guilty of genocide.
Xi isn’t funding Israel, unlike yk…the US. You really can’t tell why we focus on the US rather than any other random country in the world huh? It really hasn’t crossed your mind? Or you’re just being extremely bad faith. Let alone the fact that noone is defending Xi’s actions lmao
Xi isn’t funding Israel, unlike yk…the US. You really can’t tell why we focus on the US rather than any other random country in the world huh? It really hasn’t crossed your mind? Or you’re just being extremely bad faith. Let alone the fact that noone is defending Xi’s actions lmao
Xi isn’t funding Israel, unlike yk…the US. You really can’t tell why we focus on the US rather than any other random country in the world huh? It really hasn’t crossed your mind? Or you’re just being extremely bad faith
It’s not exactly Biden’s fault that he’s being propped up and foisted upon us by the establishment, but they really picked a poor candidate for an election that is supposedly the most important one of our lives. Almost like the DNC doesn’t mind losing.
Consider AZ, where a dem senate candidate is up in polling, and Biden is down by like 12 points. For that matter, polls show him losing in every swing state, which is where it matters due to electoral college bs. Or just the fact that he is now frequently confusing things he did as vice president with things he’s done as president, while publicly speaking. He even still gets confused about his son dying in war, which didn’t happen…Beau died at home from a brain aneurysm.
For the good of the nation, we need a few more degrees of separation between “good enough,” and one foot in the grave.
they really picked
You mean the voters picked. By voting for him. Because they did that. They voted for Hillary too. By voting. For the candidate they genuinely wanted more or at least were least unenthusiastic about.
What voters? There was no primary election (in good faith).
Hillary who? Is she friends with Debbie Wasserman Schultz?
“Stop the steal!”
“Stop counting
blacklow information voters!”“Let’s do the very very socialist thing of counting donations instead of ballots, thereby inaugurating an actual donor class oligarchy! By the way have I told you about my issues with the establishment being complicit in donor class influence over public policy?”
Well the first two are abhorrent, but you’re onto something with that last one. At least it’d be honest.
It’s okay to admit you don’t understand how primaries work.
Just say it.
You don’t understand how primaries work.
Russian, Chinese, and North Korean troll farms are at all time highs. They parrot and amplify any existing criticism till it’s all you see. This is far more than organic descent.
I really hoped it’ll not infect lemmy.
Lmao, the cretins running this shit show want that.
Watch as hexbear deny uyghur genocide and .ml calls to nuke ‘the west’.
I thought MAGA pricks were low-brow knuckle dragging sycophants. BOY was I wrong about who is at the top of that pack.
There’s definitely a concerted effort to discourage people from voting against Trump by focusing on anything not-perfect about Biden, yeah. I mean, they know they can’t get these people to vote for Trump, that’d be too much for them, but if they can get enough people not to vote against him, then they can tilt things in his favor. And they know that progressives have always been a little bit inclined toward giving up in frustration whenever something isn’t as good as it should be.
What’s with the Biden stanning, Jesus.
Sorry that some of us don’t want to live under a fascist regime?
Or do you prefer “Sorry that some of us are willing to recognize when the current administration does something right, especially when 99% of the useful idiots swarming every post are some variant of ‘Not Trump isn’t enough, what has the Biden administration actually DONE for us?’”
Not wanting trump doesn’t mean everyone needs to praise Biden for something that you have to add 10 qualifiers to, to make it seem like it is impressive. Nor do they have to like Biden or his policies. Also, false dilemma?
They do have to. First they ridicule anyone who is horrified by Biden’s full throated support of genocide as “single issue voters”, and point out that maybe Biden sucks, but Trump would be way worse. If you say you’re not sure how to favorably compare one genocidaire to another, then they switch to loving Biden and pointing out a padded list of things he’s done.
We are living under a fascist regime.
You can tell because when you call it a “fascist regime” they immediately disappear you into a reeducation camp (if they don’t kill you first).
Ever heard of Julian Assange? Chelsea Manning? Martin Luther King? There are consequences to speaking out.
Pointing out the things he does in a sea of “he’s not doing anything” is apparently very necessary.
I think it’s paid posting Either feds or Israeli hasbara
This is barely a meme.
I don’t know if these posts just stick out more but I feel like most posts I see on Political Memes is PugJesus cheerleading the democratic party. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they were on their payroll.
Yep, they pay me in the currency known as “Not being expelled or exterminated under a Trump Regime”. Very valuable currency; doubt it would be worth much to you, though. You’ll be safe and smug in your home as us untermensch are rounded up, no doubt.
You’re so much of a victim, unlike the Palestinians who are being actively genocided while you fervently defend the genocider-in-chief who supports it so hard that he’s willing to lose votes over it.
Your comment reeks of privilege. Millions of Americans can’t afford the chance to not vote Biden. Not voting Biden will also actively worsen the situation in Gaza.
I’ve got news for you, biden is already actively worsening the situation in Gaza. He’s giving israel all they want to carry out their genocide. Don’t talk about privilege while you excuse genocide.
How many ruples are they paying you?
Not voting for Biden makes it worse than it is right now. If Biden is not going to be president, the utter maniac Trump is. You can oppose the war on Gaza and still see this simple truth.
How do you think we got trump in the first place?
And you’re such a hero, demanding that their genociders be given as much aid and support as humanly possible.
Shouldn’t you be on reddit worldnews?
Does Israel actually fund hasbara for lemmy
Israel funds people who are against their
goldenorange boy and call the ongoing operation in Gaza an inexcusable genocide by a pseudodemocratic ethnostate that should have its aid revoked and be treated as an international pariah?Damn, they’re getting diverse.
I’m not biden.
Thank christ, I couldn’t imagine a planet where you have any power outside of a fucking keyboard LMAOOOO
You prefer it when people who support genocide have the power?
I was gonna make a contrasting post lauding the amount of airable land withheld from corporations under Trump’s administration. I went straight into research.
Guess who didn’t do much saving of land?
The news are cool but this community recently seems just liberal (the us version) propaganda. Actually Im seeing this in every big political community recently, must be the election.
“Protected more” is a meaningless metric. The threat of destruction is not eliminated with a one-time response, but they’re acting like it is.
I could get the same results by saying “I hereby threaten the entire planet with destruction unless I get a soda in the next few minutes.”
“Oh, I got one? I guess that means I saved the planet.”
I’m not sure if you’re conflating Biden with the totality of human civilization here, or just not understanding what protecting public land means in the context of US government action.
No no, I get that US corporations ask for public land for privatized gains all the time, and keep increasing how much they ask for when they get it. The number of requests keeps going up, so the number of refusals going up isn’t shocking.
Did you realize that almost 11 million acres of the 12.8 million of ‘conservation’ were simply rollbacks from the Trump era to the Obama era? He had 2 years to so that, but waited until 2023. Edit:Source
My point is that it’s a single metric and out of context does not actually tell you why they were threatened to begin with. I.E. maintaining the status quo does not warrant a medal. Still voting for him.
You could save a ton of typing if you just said you don’t like it that Biden refused the corporate land grabs.
Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face or whatever they say 😎
My nose was cut off, and this meme is acting like stapling it back on deserves a medal.
My nose was cut off, and this meme is acting like stapling it back on deserves a medal.
God, I hate to see how you interact with your doctors.
Did you realize that almost 11 million acres of the 12.8 million were simply rollbacks from the Trump era to the Obama era? He had 2 years to so that, but waited until 2023. Edit:Source
It wasn’t a matter of ‘waiting’, as the link in your source, notes…
In the Arctic Refuge, Secretary of the Interior Deb Haaland has authorized the cancellation of the remaining seven oil and gas leases issued by the previous administration in the Coastal Plain. The leases were suspended in June 2021 following the issuance of Secretary’s Order (S.O.) 3401, which identified “multiple legal deficiencies in the underlying record supporting the leases.”
2023 was finalization, not a last-minute “Oh, NOW I’m going to protect things”.
Governments have intentionally slow processes.
Cool. So it was the status quo, and just hitting ‘undo’. Why the meme portraying that as the greatest conservation act in history? It’s disingenuous.
Sorry, would you prefer “Biden is on-track to unfuck more land given away by a corrupt corporate crony than any modern first-term president in history”?
I didn’t realize that you can only claim credit for something if no one before you had ever done anything to fuck it up in the first place.
Thanks for admitting you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, though, and were just grasping at straws with that “Well, he didn’t do it until 2023!” bit.
Sorry, I just realized - that quote you gave, claiming was in my sourced link… isn’t. I just re-read it and did multiple searches. After googling your quote, I found it on a separate doi.gov article. So, thanks for mocking me for something you didn’t check. You also highlighted that he had from 2021 as well, so I don’t even know why you’re using that as an argument. He still had 2 years.
But you’re right. When I saw that like 85% of the argument of this claim is for hitting ‘undo’, I assumed that the 2023 date was due to political delay for posterity, not political delay per the status quo. My bad.
as the link in your source, notes…
But the largest land conservation move this year was the administration’s return to President Barack Obama’s National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska (NPR-A) Integrated Activity Plan for the Western Arctic, which closed nearly 11 million acres to oil and gas leasing. While this was not a new protection under Biden, it restored protections that were removed under the Trump administration.
Thanks for not checking your own attempt at a ‘gotcha’.
You also highlighted that he had from 2021 as well, so I don’t even know why you’re using that as an argument. He still had 2 years.
… Jesus Christ. I legitimately can’t tell if you’re being serious right now.
<cough> willow project. <cough>
Trusting Biden on climate…. Is a two edged sword that cuts you twice. Like those cheap razors with extra blades…
Gee it’s also like climate change isn’t an existential threat to society.
You’re “balancing disparate interests” include almost exclusively corporations and almost completely ignore the fucked legacy being left behind by Biden (whose been a leader in politics longer than I’ve been alive and definitely deserves some ire here,) and politicians like him.
The willow project is a text book example of him breaking his word and supporting oil companies (who didn’t even ask for it to be picked back up,) in favor of literally supporting our collective grandkids ability simply fucking exist in a comfortable world.
From the very fucking source I posted:
Some Alaska Natives are critical of the drilling ban across such a significant swath of the NPR-A. It has proved controversial with Alaska’s bipartisan congressional delegation, as well as Alaska Native groups who say they depend on the tax revenue from oil drilling to fund schools and basic services.
The final rule “does not reflect our communities’ wishes,” said Voice of the Arctic Iñupiat President Nagruk Harcharek, adding the move “will hurt the very residents the federal government purports to help by rolling back years of progress, impoverishing our communities, and imperiling our Iñupiaq culture.”
The ban will also open the president to attacks from Republicans that he is failing to prioritize American energy independence and is driving up the price of gasoline. But under Biden’s tenure, the US is producing more oil than any country in history, CNN Business reported, and gas prices are down $1.35 from their all-time high in June 2022.
In addition to protecting a vast amount of the NPR-A on Friday, the Biden administration moved to block the Trump administration-approved Ambler road in the Alaskan wilderness. If built, the road would serve as the access point for a proposed copper mine. The administration signaled it wanted to take “no action” on the mine, effectively blocking the road’s access to federal land.
In a statement, Ambler Metals, the company seeking to mine copper in the region, said it was “deeply disappointed” in Interior’s decision. Ambler’s managing director Kaleb Froehlich said the move would deprive local communities of jobs and tax revenue and prevent the US “from developing a domestic supply of minerals that are critical for clean energy technology and national security.”
The Alaska announcements cap off a week that saw a flurry of actions from Biden’s Interior Department. On Thursday, the department announced a new rule that elevated conservation to put it on equal footing as other public land uses like grazing, mining and other energy development. The new conservation rule covers 245 million acres largely in the Western United States – about a tenth of the land in the nation.
But sure, it’s just all the big bad corpos, they’re all on one side, and the people are on another. Anyone who does anything that helps the corpos is just their slave. Politics is delightfully simple, it would seem.
Gee, wouldn’t be awesome if we could just, you know, fund schools?
naw. That’s too easy. and too “socialist” even though it’s probably less expensive than, you know, all the damage that will be caused… this year… by massive fires, extremely intense storms or other things affected by (and affecting) climate change.
Edit: side note, how much do you think corporations spent to make sure their tax revenue was funding people’s public schools? how much do you think they spent to let people know that?
Gee, wouldn’t be awesome if we could just, you know, fund schools?
Goodness, why didn’t Biden think of that? With a stroke of his pen, he could have solved all of these issues! Raised taxes, changed state laws for funding schools, and united all the necessary Federal apparatuses to change with it, and everyone would have cheered and toasted his name! Goodness, I’m so glad that’s how our government works! One man, once elected, can lawfully remake the nation as he sees fit, no other elected officials or separation of powers or bureaucratic processes involved!
naw. That’s too easy. and too “socialist” even though it’s probably less expensive than, you know, all the damage that will be caused… this year… by massive fires, extremely intense storms or other things affected by (and affecting) climate change.
Yes, it’s fucking ridiculous. That’s not the same as saying “Man who isn’t High Supreme Dictator For Life hasn’t done it because he’s in the pocket of THE CORPOS”
People have interests, and those interests are often tied up in institutions and processes that are not able to be changed by one official, not even the highest official in the fucking land. Sorry that the process of government isn’t quick and easy, and unfucking it is a massive undertaking that takes longer than a lunch break.
Nationwide, around 10% of funding for schools is public. In Alaska it was 7% in 2020. You’re right in saying it would take an act of congress. Biden loves taking credit for acts of congress, though. so he can take credit for that, too. Further, he was a senator for longer than I’ve been alive. His leadership in the DNC has shaped the nation and is a large, if not-exclusive, part of how we got into this mess.
but do go ahead, insist it’s NoT BiDeN’s FaUlT when a) he has a very long track record that is a significant part of the problem and b) while he can’t act unilaterally, he largely hasn’t acted in any meaningful way.
Literally the only justification for voting for Biden is that trump is worse. that’s not an argument for Biden… and after a certain point you have to wonder if maybe that’s the reason he didn’t pressure his DoJ to hurry the fuck up with trump indictments… you know… for fucking espionage… or even the entire reason Trump is allowed to be a political candidate at all.
But sure the guy whose done nothing for decades… he’s gonna save us with some parks.
Except Biden actually could protect a lot less. Your planetary threat is just a delusion.
Sorry, let me try again:
“I’m a big greedy oil company and I want 10% of your public land.” “Ok. Here you go!” Meme: Biden gives oil company everything they want!
That would look bad, so instead we get:
“I’m a big greedy oil company and I want ALL of your public land.” “What!? No. You can only have 10%.” Meme: Biden saves 90% of public land!
But in this case it’s closer to:
“I’m a big greedy oil company and I want ALL of your public land.” Trump: “I’ll see what we can do.” ~4 years later~ Biden: “Hey, can we cancel that?” Meme: Biden set to be greatest conservationist president in history, possibly time itself
You can skew stories dramatically when you focus on one detail.
k- was there another first-term president that you think actually deserves more credit or you just got this triggered because someone said a positive sounding thing about Biden?
Do you think “the amount of conserved land for first-term presidents” is a metric ANY of us thought or cared about before this meme? What’s the point of it?
I was definitely triggered on how many qualifiers were needed for a single point of data to be extracted for comparison. *over *Public lands *in 2023
*On track to *more ____ than *modern *first-term
What’s the point of it?
Apparently to trigger people that get triggered when they see a positive sounding statement about Biden. Fun to see how well that works ;)
While more land is protected, he’s still approved roughly the same number of drilling permits, and the US is now producing more oil than any country in history, despite promises to stop drilling on federal land.
the US is now producing more oil than any country in history, despite promises to stop drilling on federal land
Those two things (as you state them) are not necessarily mutually exclusive if oil production happens in places other than federal lands.
Right but it is happening on federal lands.
I would love if no drilling occurred…ever. That’s me being purely idealistic. The pragmatic side of me also recognizes it’s still going to be necessary for a while, so I guess a question I’m on the fence about is would we rather get it from national sources or keep relying on countries like Saudi Arabia? I don’t mean to make it a false dichotomy cuz I have extremely surface level exposure to the topic but if anyone’s got some thoughts on it I’d love to hear
One other thing I thought about, and this is purely out of ignorance and not me trying to say you’re straight up wrong here… Wasn’t the pledge not to issue new permits?
Yes, and he did.
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Eco-fascism. Great.
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Jesus Christ. A Hexbear alt. I should have guessed.
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George Bush literally did the same thing. They’re the same. The US shouldn’t have jurisdiction over the Hawaiian Islands in the first place, they should be under control of the Sovereign Nation of Hawaii.
Tell me how the plebiscite goes.
Do you even know what that word means
Yes, why? Did you have to look it up? Or is the concept of democracy offensive to you?
because your comment was a complete non-sequitor. fuck Joe Biden.
What is democratic about a military takeover of a sovereign nation for the capitalist benefit of a few pineapple farmers, and then declaring the ocean around your military base/tourist destination to be “protected” while doing nothing meaningful to prevent the climate change that is threatening that same ocean?
Dumbass.
because your comment was a complete non-sequitor.
Ah, so what you meant was “I don’t like this event that happened in the past, but America should have jurisdiction over Hawaii at this point in time.”
Thanks for clarifying for me. :)
Exactly. George W. Bush did the same thing, created a national monument for the NW Hawaiian islands. You don’t see people glazing Bush for that, given all the numerous human rights violations and obvious war crimes… but they’ll turn a blind eye for Biden.
Anyone got extra context on this?
wont stop me from doing it myself.
Fuck your precious metals, land is even better.
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Is Gaza public US land?
must have something to do with that carbon tax thing. Basically you can credit money to your country if you have assets that reduce carbon dioxide, making it incentivizing to keep forrests.
You’re better off not voting. Then nobody wins and we can have an anarchist society
You’re better off not voting. Then nobody wins
This is what happens when you remove civics as requirement for graduation.
