I’m 4 of the things on the bottom track.
We need to get Joe Biden elected then make his life hell until he stops funding Israel.
Hell yeah.
Maybe we can get him to stop funding Israel before that, even. But first and foremost, fascism must be stopped, for the same reason that the Western Allies sided with the Soviet Union in WW2. We may despise each other, but there is a worse foe afoot.
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Every two years, for decades, you people drag this canard out.
Maybe you should try paying attention more often than every two years.
And yet, we just keep getting more fascist.
Wow, thank you for informing me we’re more fascist now than we were in the 80s, or the 50s, or the 10s.
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I was being charitable, I know you employ it even more often than that.
Oh, how terrible, that we try to fight against fascism more often than that.
removed, you’re the one freaking out about how we teetering at the edge of concentration camps and suspended elections.
We are in danger of fascism. That’s not the same as being more fascist currently. That’s the point of fascism - overthrow of democratic institutions. Do you think a democratic nation in danger of monarchy is more monarchist than ever before? Is that how you think things work? Fucking lmao.
But of course, what do you know about fascism? You couldn’t identify it if it put you in a uniform and a rally, shouting slogans worshiping the Great Leader, so long as it was painted red.
Thanks for not denying that we’re on the edge, btw, really shows how little you care about the destruction of democracy and the murder of minorities. Hell, it almost seems like you’ll be celebrating it.
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Not sure why you’re stupid enough to think the people who have already been victimized by it, though no fault of their own, would feel anything but joy to see people like you, who actually deserve it, get the same treatment.
Yep, you caught me, by voting Dem to hold off fascism a little longer, I actually deserve genocide for the sin of being a minority. What great Leftist theory they teach wherever you went to uni at! They did things differently at my uni.
And yet, we just keep getting more fascist.
Funny how that works… it’s almost like constantly voting for a bunch of rich elites that will reach across the aisle to overt fascists as soon as they are in power has delivered the perfectly predictable outcome.
I wonder how many of the Genocide Joe gaslighters will be showing up when it’s time to actually throw down with nazis and pigs come post-November… my guess is that they will resort to screeching from the sidelines - same as last time.
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We should also pressure our Congressional Representatives.
My rep called for a permanent ceasefire. Makes me at least somewhat happy I voted for him.
To elect the person most likely not to horribly escalate the guaranteed protest post election is quite a strat.
Who ever said politics were boring? Shits on fire, literally
Well you’re half right
I could’ve worded it better my bad.
Also don’t forget the supreme court. 2 of the conservatives justices are getting old and couldnpossibly retire during a trump term to assure a partisan republican court for several decades.
If these are our options, tear up the fucking track.
If you have a viable way of doing so before the election, by all means, share your idea.
Otherwise, pull the lever and return to planning track disposal after election day.
Ok, let us know when you start.
Oh you want us to do it while you sit at home and we get shot? Typical.
I’m a union and community organizer. I’m already working on this shit. Let me know when you want to come and help.
The comments have (no pun intended) gone off the rails. Locking.
Just because you’d pull one of those levers if it comes down to it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do what you can to avert things before it comes to that.
I mean, if you’ve got a plan, I’m all for it. Absolutely, keep protesting against the genocide, boycotting Israeli goods, doing whatever you can. If you’ve got plans for a mass revolution taking to the streets, by all means.
But, if it comes down to it, election day comes and the current state of affairs is ongoing, you have to know which lever to pull, vile as it is. The greater evil helps no one.
Knocking it out of the park with these memes lately PugJesus!
Let’s see the “both sides are the same”/“vote third party” crowd scamper out into the light to get shut the fuck down yet again.
Thanks, but I’m a shameless meme thief. I’m just a meme vector!
The messaging is what’s important, so keep on vectoring!
Was this made to appeal to the people who are anti-genocide?
If so, it’s a massive fail - you are basically admitting that Palestinian genocide is acceptable as long as you remain safe.
And, of course… we already know that. We know what liberals are really all about.
“More genocide is good, actually!” is about the take I expected from you.
“More genocide is good, actually!”
If you stopped gaslighting people you might actually get more people to vote Biden with you come November… but not insulting the audience’s intelligence is a bridge too far for liberalism, I guess.
“Gaslighting is when you point out consequences of actions, and the more consequences you point out, the more gaslighting it is.”
10/10, no notes.
Liberal, I’m trying to help you.
If you want people to participate in this rigged game, you have to give them a better reason than merely horsetrading one repression for another.
Perhaps you haven’t realized the implications of the collapse of the Zionist propaganda machine, so I’ll spell it out for you - liberalism and any credibility it has contrived over the decades is done. Shot. Holed below the waterline. And that includes it’s pseudo-democratic pretensions.
Come November, your “lesser evilism” schtick will probably hit rock-bottom - it’s an inevitablility no matter how long you stonewall. Forewarned is forearmed, right?
Liberal, I’m trying to help you.
lmao
Fine. Enjoy rock-bottom.
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I’m perfectly happy to say I think the people endorsing and committing genocide should be subject to the same violence they inflict on others.
I’m glad you think minorities in America are endorsing and committing genocide, down to every man, woman, and child, and support their genocide in turn. Very noble of you!
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The fascists aren’t going to care about your silly little word games when they drag you away you know.
I know the fascists don’t care about words. That’s why you’re so loose with them.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
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Nobody claimed it was alright, unfortunately the lesser of two evils also includes genocide
Maybe if we can get a better voting system we can finally vote for the people we actually want
Maybe if we can get a better voting system we can finally vote for the people we actually want
And what if you can’t? Would you still pretend that it’s possible to vote fascism away?
Arguing against voting for Biden is a pro-genocide strategy because it increases the probability of more genocide. If your goal is to reduce or eliminate genocide as much as possible, and you are eligible to vote in a swing state during the 2024 US election, voting for Biden should be a part of your overall strategy. Nothing we can do can reasonably be expected to eliminate the possibility genocide. All that matters is what we do, the expected outcome of our actions, and the actual results. If your advocated action has no effect on your stated preferred world state or goal, you’re an idiot or a liar.
Arguing against voting for Biden is a pro-genocide strategy because it increases the probability of more genocide.
Participating in US formal politics in any way whatsoever increases the probability of genocide - it always has, because there has never been a point in US history when it wasn’t genocidal.
Your paltry attempt at minimizing this funadamental genocidal tendency is exactly that - paltry.
Do you have anything else to offer?
Participating in US formal politics in any way whatsoever increases the probability of genocide
Can you explain, do you think not participating is going to help?
It’s not a trolley problem. It’s you making a choice as to whether you accept the Democratic pro-genocide stance or not and whether you’re willing to put your stamp of approval on it.
The lesser of two evils argument doesn’t work anymore, try something different now, you’re just pissing people off by demanding they actively support genocide.
It is a trolley problem. Either the Democrats will be in power after the election, or the Republicans will. Voting for the lesser of two evils is a valid tactic when you live in a two-party system.
A vote for Biden is what makes future Democratic support for genocide possible. That’s what you’re putting your seal of approval on; that the democrats can fund a literal genocide and still win elections.
I won’t support or encourage it, and the more you demand and squeal that people must support genocide the more sure I become that I won’t.
Want people to vote for Biden? Pressure him and all your reps to defund Israel. That’s your most pragmatic course, what you’re doing now is not just a waste of time but counter-productive.
Using your logic then, by not voting Democrats, you are making a Republican rule more likely. Even by minuscule amounts. If enough people share your view, it’s a real help to them. Why do you want to help them? Do you love wannabe Dictators that much? Staying home helps Republicans.
Do you love wannabe Dictators that much?
Yes. Some of them are fascists, and some of them are accelerationists who merely WANT to be fascists. There’s not much difference except the speed at which they want to get down and lick the boots though.
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“The lesser of two evils argument doesn’t work anymore”
Ah, so you’re just going with the greater of the two evils because, apparently, you just can’t get enough genocide. Us less privileged Americans will thank you from the concentration camps.
No. You are guarunteeing the “greater of two evils” by trying to force people to approve genocide.
The only thing you should be doing is pressuring your representatives to cut off aid to Israel in whatever way you can. If you want Joe Biden to be president again that’s the only way. No one is going to respond to this fear mongering bullshit anymore. That strategy has only slid us closer to fascism, it’s time for the Democrats to prove they’re different, not for everyone to accept that they’re the same.
Demanding that people support genocide is a non-starter. Try again.
No one is going to respond to this fear mongering bullshit anymore.
Of course, the privileged who won’t suffer aren’t going to stand for concerned minorities anymore who will be oppressed and killed once they allow fascism into power. How brave of you!
Notice how these ding dongs you’re tangling with only ever say bad things about Biden/Democrats? They’re either active propagandists or fully taken by them.
The question to ask here, to really lay it out: Whether you like it or not, politics in the US are between Republicans and Democrats. The presidential election is between Biden and Trump. Who’s worse by a country mile?
They’ll say “They’re both the same!”
One will make it MUCH harder to organize and fight for a better future, in addition to very likely destroying what democracy we do have in this country and murdering hundreds of thousands of minorities.
The other will do, effectively, very little about anything, as insufficient as that is.
I think the choice is obvious, but apparently fascism is preferable to some self-proclaimed leftists.
When of course they are not both the same. Hell, even talking about Gaza/West Bank/Golan Heights, who actually thinks that the US with Republican control of Congress and POTUS wouldn’t double the fuck down on enabling the Israeli government to subjugate Palestinians?
I’ve been alive long enough to know that the state of politics in the US since about 2012 is not normal, and that abnormalcy all comes from conservative lunatics, who are growing in number, or have always been there quietly, or both.
But really, as long as the commentary is just about how bad Biden/Democrats are … “Go home, Russian propaganda.”
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Go home, Russian propaganda.
Hey now!
It might be Israeli propaganda they’ve been fed. Bibi needs a Trump administration to keep him in power so he can genocide the West Bank too.
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You forget, the brown people who are against genocide are not very different from the group that suffered from reprisals after 9/11.
Hardly privileged.
Allowing Trump to be elected isn’t even incidentally anti-genocide. It’s explicitly pro-genocide.
And Biden sending bombs to Israel is not pro-genocide?
What do you think those bombs are going to be used for?
Biden’s support of Israel being pro-genocide doesn’t make supporting his opponent anti-genocide, considering his opponent has literally come out on record saying that Israel isn’t being genocidal ENOUGH for his tastes and that he would support them to the hilt, in addition to all the plans he has for genocide elsewhere, like Ukraine and the US.
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I’ve been decrying Israel’s genocide longer than you’ve even been fucking aware of it, buddy. It’s not my fault that you wallowed in ignorance until someone identified you as a useful idiot for fascist agitation. Thanks for admitting that you don’t care about genocide so long as it’s against the ‘right people’, like me, btw. About what I expect from privileged bougieviks.
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Lol, as if liberals have a right to speak.
Careful there, people might figure out who you really are. Tighten that mask up, Socko.
Don’t worry, none of the useful idiots will figure out that he’s a fascist, they’ve already been guzzling fascist rhetoric for so long that they can’t tell the difference anyway.
So are you a pragmatist or not? You’re willing to compromise on Democratic support for genocide out of what you see as practical reality, why then are you doing the most impractical thing of trying to convince millions of voters to be pro-genocide instead of working to convince one single politician to do the right thing?
And you’re suppose to be the logical one here?
No wonder Dems have been getting dragged further and further to the right. With big brain strategy like this how could it not be inevitable that the party become more and more right-wing.
So are you a pragmatist or not? You’re willing to compromise on Democratic support for genocide out of what you see as practical reality, why then are you doing the most impractical thing of trying to convince millions of voters to be pro-genocide instead of working to convince one single politician to do the right thing?
Have you not been paying attention to public support for Israel in the US for the past forty fucking years?
Let’s go down through the facts, shall we?
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A plurality of Dem voters still believe in CONTINUING TO SUPPLY ISRAEL WITH AID, ie exactly what Biden is doing, or INCREASING aid to Israel. They’re already pro-genocide by that standard.
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The braindead talking points parroted by these ghouls necessarily imply that NOT voting Biden will, in some way, alleviate genocide, when the exact opposite is the fucking truth.
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I already support protests and boycotts to influence Dem politicians, I just don’t support electing a literal fascist who has pledged to do everything he can to assist the ongoing genocide AND start a few here at home too, because I’m not a fucking moron.
No wonder Dems gave been getting dragged further and further to the right. With big brain strategy like this how could it not be inevitable that the party become more and more right-wing.
Please, tell me how the Dems are more right-wing now than in the 90s or 2000s. I’ll wait.
I already support protests and boycotts to influence Dem politicians
This is 100% bullshit. You being here trying to undermine those efforts and kneecap the influence that those efforts have proves that beyond a doubt. Don’t ever claim this again.
Please, tell me how the Dems are more right-wing now than in the 90s or 2000s. I’ll wait.
They’ve literally been courting right-wing voters for decades so that they can ignore their progressive base (like you’re trying to help facilitate right now). Biden’s border policy is literally fucking identical to Trumps. Democrats propped up Trump and helped him get elected, they think propping up right-wing candidates makes their own Fascist Lite candidates more viable. It’s literally the only way they can win elections now, by trying to scrape off an increasingly meaningless minority of “disillusioned republicans”.
Go look up clips of Zbigniew Brzezinski talking about US Israel relations, he was one of the major proponents of the Iraq war and yet his perspective on the Israeli right-wing government would get him labeled a “leftist” by modern day libs.
Yes, democrats have become more right-wing in their panic to suppress the growing demographic of Millenials and GenZ. It’s why we find ourselves on the doorstep of fascism right now. You neoliberals have been the ones getting into power, these are the consequences of your politics.
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“he’s opposed to genocide! He’s a fascist!”
Wow, I didn’t know supporting genocide against numerous minority groups in the US was actually ANTI-genocide! Thank you for enlightening me. It’s a really brave new form of leftism you’re championing!
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Cute, I love that you get hard over the prospect of minorities being murdered for being liberal and concerned about resolving issues instead of, what, taking to the streets, armed and dangerous like you are?
Oh, wait, what am I saying, you’re doing even less than the liberals you so despise.
No. You gave up being able to pretend you care about human beings when you demanded that we accept the Democratic party becoming pro-genocide. You don’t get to pretend you have some righteous position.
You’re afraid for yourself, not others. You’re demanding people support genocide out of cowardice, out of the fear that suddenly you might start to be the one affected by your dogshit neoliberal strategy that you’ve been shoving down people’s throats for decades.
Time for you to change and compromise. Others simply will not on genocide.
No. You gave up being able to pretend you care about human beings when you demanded that we accept the Democratic party becoming pro-genocide.
God, this is why paying attention to history and foreign affairs is so frustrating. People who starting paying attention in the last five seconds having meltdowns and trying to sabotage people who are actually working against the state of affairs.
Anyone who has been paying attention should understand that neoliberal condescension is not effective. Any brain dead moron could’ve learned that from 2016.
And watching Bill Maher doesn’t count as “keeping up on fireign affairs”.
Anyone who has been paying attention should understand that neoliberal condescension is not effective. Any brain dead moron could’ve learned that from 2016.
Anyone who has been paying attention should understand that fascism is not effective at reducing genocide. But I suppose it’s too much to ask to expect bootlickers to pay attention.
And watching Bill Maher doesn’t count as “keeping up on fireign affairs”.
Who the fuck watches Bill Maher? What year is it in your world?
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Enjoy your Soylent Green, at least it’s better than bugs.
Such hyperbole. Democrats do not support genocide and it’s clear you don’t know what genocide is.
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It should show the rest of the flags above a few meters later on the top track.
You’re so close to being cool sometimes
I think DB0 is cool, they just have some bad takes springing from cynicism.
And fuck, getting up in the morning, I can hardly blame them some days.
But we have to do what little we can, as individuals in a world of billions, to oppose what we can, how we can.
I see you post a lot and I think db0 is definitely cooler
oppose what we can, how we can
We gotta go so far past picking between these two garbage choices
We gotta go so far past picking between these two garbage choices
In the long-term, yes.
In the short-term, unless you’ve got an army with massive popular support for a government overthrow hidden in your garage, this is where we’re at.
I’ll take it!
Yeah and both sides need the USA flag as well.
Exactly right.
These stupid jokes about centrists really show how fucked up the USA is. Both parties are the same: shit. One is less shit than the other (democrats, to be clear), but they are both still shit. There’s a guy running literally called “Literally Anybody Else”.
Have you considered that your central position doesnt actually do shit besides bitch and moan?
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TBF, the Democrat trolley will run over all those people only slightly less than the Republican one.
Good illustration!
What? This doesn’t show how the democrats failed to do anything about Roe
You’re absolutely right, if only the Democrats had slipped one of the members of SCOTUS an extra 20$.
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Let? You realize that Trump got to pick three SCOTUS justices because of McConnell’s fuckery, right?
No, no, you see, the fact that Obama didn’t coup the government and take up power as a dictator is PROOF that liberals are actually ANTI-democracy and hate minorities. He Is Very Smart.
They’re just fascists who think being painted red makes them anti-fascist.
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I’m sure you’ll be loudly crowing about “AT LEAST I DIDN’T VOTE FOR GENOCIDE JOE!” as wheelbarrows of bodies are carted out from the showers.
Hell, maybe you’ll even be a good capo for them, since you adore fascism so much.
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Your threats are getting increasingly overt as your mask slips off, fascist
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Because it is so easy to change the justices in the supreme court.
“Just DO it! See? The fact that Dems HAVEN’T is PROOF that they DON’T CARE”
Like, someone wants to say that Dems are a bunch of milquetoast moderates who aren’t playing hardball against fascists they SHOULD be playing hardball against? They aren’t fucking wrong.
But the idea that the two are equivalent or just as bad as each other is either insanity or regurgitation of fascist propaganda.
We should not be satisfied with Dems. That’s not the same as ‘let the Republicans win’.
(all in agreement with you, mind, I understood your sarcasm)
I feel like Dems are “centrists”™ but yeah. I take the “ignorant and privileged centrists” over the “actively hateful fascists”
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Do you understand how they could change it? Like what their options are and the implications of it?
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The first thing I’ll do as President is sign the Freedom of Choice Act https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BdrOrwmk78Y
Im pro choice https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmzdkAbu8dY
Not my highest priority https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RxiDZejZFjg
parody… No https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1z4uhxpOnN0
Obama had a filibuster proof senate for three weeks, he could have given you a proper health care WITH a public option, but he did a giveaway to big pharma instead. Also could have done Roe at that time…
I hope you guys watch Obama speak in the videos. It’s mind boggling…
Obama had a filibuster proof senate for three weeks
Tell me you don’t understand Congress without telling me you don’t understand Congress.
Three weeks is fucking nothing, especially for a contentious issue.
Three weeks is a long time if you are prepared.
Not in national legislature in this country. Honest question - have you checked out the process for passing bills in Congress? Not being a smart-ass or anything. It’s fucking byzantine and reliant on everyone in a slim majority (or slim supermajority, depending on what you’re trying to do) 100% playing ball. Sometimes it’s also reliant on the opposition playing ball. It’s insane. It’s dysfunctional in the extreme. And during Obama’s term, that dysfunction became worse than ever - either (depending on who you ask) because it had been steadily getting worse since the 90s, or because Obama was Black and the GOP took that opportunity to pander to their most racist supporters by being mindlessly obstructionist (or some mixture of both).
I blame the blue dog Democrats who neutralized that majority, not Obama.
US politics is just professional wrestling, the sooner you understand that, the better. Usually the GOP are the bad guys, but this time it was the blue dog democrats… Whatever it takes to keep the class helping policy from being passed. R’s don’t want class helping policy passed and D’s don’t want class helping policy passed. D’s pretend they want it, though.
Comments like this make me realize how shitty the education system in America is. Go take an online civics course or read book, just do something to educate yourself about how laws are passed at the federal level.
And what’s worse is they’ll probably not fix the issue as it is an excellent rallying call.
Holy fucking shit… We’ve looped back around with the trolley problem memes to end up back at the actual trolley problem.
The entire reason the trolley problem is a “problem” is because it’s not necessarily morally correct to insert yourself into a problem in order to save people, if by doing so you also condemn someone. It’s debated that it’s better to let an unfortunate scenario in which multiple people die play out - allowing yourself to stay out of the picture and not be responsible - than to take action to minimize the damage, and by doing so become part of the picture and partly responsible for the damage that does occur.
It’s supposed to be a difficult situation, even if taking action saves lives, because by taking action you are specifically partially responsible as an acting member in the scenario. There are a lot of people who believe that it’s better to stay out of it and leave yourself morally untouched for having never taken part in it than to take action, even if the action would save lives. And there are a lot of people who believe that it’s better to take action if you can, especially if it saves lives, even if your actions still condemn people to death.
The whole point is that it’s NOT a scenario with a correct answer. The best answer is the one that lets you sleep at night. Yes, I’ll be voting democrat, but I certainly don’t blame those who believe dirtying your hands by voting for a genocide supporter is an unacceptable act.
It’s debated that it’s better to let an unfortunate scenario in which multiple people die play out - allowing yourself to stay out of the picture and not be responsible - than to take action to minimize the damage, and by doing so become part of the picture and partly responsible for the damage that does occur.
“It’s debated”, yes. Most things are debated. Looking at the trolley problem, I don’t really have any respect for anyone who thinks that a strict deontological interpretation is worth murdering four extra people.
Inaction isn’t innocence, it’s a choice like any other.
Congratulations, you solved the trolley problem. I’ll let all of the philosophers of the world know so you can collect your prize… Inaction isn’t innocence, but the “right” answer isn’t innocence, either. Don’t take solace in the fact that you minimized the damage by condemning a bunch of people you don’t know to death by the very person you supported; this election will be my greatest regret in life for not doing something more to force out a 3rd option, as it should be for all of us.
Congratulations, you solved the trolley problem. I’ll let all of the philosophers of the world know so you can collect your prize
Thanks. I didn’t realize having strong moral convictions was so rare!
Oh it’s not, it’s just rare for someone to have them while actually understanding morality.
This is why I never got the trolley problem. It seems so obvious that you’re making a choice either way, and less deaths is better.
In a vacuum, yes. But knowingly taking an action that condemns someone should destroy you; even if it saved others, knowing that someone died partly due to your actions should make your stomach churn whenever you think of it. Your part in this election and the results thereof should keep you up at night - it definitely will for me.
