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Has anyone bought from here before? Looking to upgrade my NAS drives.
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Approx 35k power on hours. Tested with 0 errors, 0 bad sectors, 0 defects. SMART details intact.
That’s about 4 years of power on time. Considering they’re enterprise grade equipment, they should still be good for many years to come, but it is worth taking into consideration.
I’ve bought from these guys before, packaging was super professional. Card board box with special designed drive holders made of foam; each drive is also individually packed with anti-static bags and silica packs.
Highly recommend.
All my server drives come to me with these many hours and truck on for many years.
This is pretty standard for enterprise equipments — comes with some amount of years of warranty, enterprises depreciate the cost over that many years and sell them as/before the warranty expires to get whatever value they can get (as far as books concerned, they’re already depreciated to $0 anyway).
Came here to ask about the hours. Some quick searching looked like 5 years is an average time to failure, but that might have been for lower-grade hardware?
Backblaze has drives with very similar models in service, has an annualized failure rate of less than 1% on average, and have been in service for 5 years. The average age will continue to rise as usage time continues to rack up.
Is this a normal sound for it? https://sndup.net/bpx9/
Pretty sure that’s the usual preventive wear clicking sound that’s just part of newer drives’ design…?
They’re generally highly regarded.
Censorship of words makes me not know which definition of regarded you are using.
I too like posting cryptic, non-detailed complaints with minimal to no explanation, logic, or rationale for the express intent to sow confusion and chaos while simultaneously standing for nothing
/s
On Reddit, wallstreetbets used to call everything “retarded” and they’ve stopped and moved to “regarded” as a way of “almost” saying an offensive word.
That’s regarded
It was bad, and the funny part is that they were using Retarded as a slur too much and had it taken away after complaints from civil rights watch groups, as disabilities are a protected class, but the proponents would try to claim they were using it as a term of endearment in the ultimate bad faith argument.
The /s actually makes this one more sincere.
Dude what are you even trying to say here
Check @ArbiterXero@lemmy.world 's explanation
Oh like the stonk apes
Reposting as top level comment also: these are PWDIS drives: if you’re not using them somewhere with sata 3.2/3.3, you need to use an adapter for the power plug, or some tape, to block pins 1-3 (3.3v) as supplying it to these causes them to reset. Might be worth doing the taping anyway, if you’re using an enclosure or cage (where you can’t use the adapters) Just be aware.
When I bought some of these earlier this year, the re-seller included an adapter that blocked those pins to prevent the reset issue. Didn’t know what they were for at first and almost tossed them. (I should have read the included slip of paper)
As someone who regularly ships items with a slip of paper meant to be read, this was infuriating to read. Lmao
Classic overconfidence - “I have installed a hard drive before, what could they possibly be trying to tell me on that paper?”
I learned and won’t make that mistake again… until I do
Tape it to the item.
Witg a big fat warning symbol.Anything beyond that was done in purpose
When you’re shipping one item, sure… kinda. When you’re shipping five, it doesn’t make sense to tape the exact same thing to every single one. Especially if the paper is bigger than the item.
We typically affix it to the invoice and package so it’s seen first thing. That’s the best solution we’ve come up with.
How do I know if I’m using sata 3.2/3.3 vs something else?
I have one of these in the 8 TB variant that I use for backup purposes, and I plug it into one of those USB docks, like this one. I have not applied any tape or adaptors and it seems to be working fine.
Are these good for a home server that would be always on? First time building
I’ve done the tape thing before. It was a little bit of a pain but not that hard.
Oh, is that what “power disable” means?
the drives I’ve purchased from them in the past have been great considering they’re used server parts.
considering they’re used server parts.
That really should be in the title…
I dunno, I’m one of those people who never stops using a drive until it breaks, and they never really break anymore. Oldest in my current PC is probably 20 year old HDD.
So yeah, these probably are fine and will still last a long time.
But for like $20 more you don’t have to worry about losing the data on it.Edit:
Apparently prices just haven’t changed in half a decade or longer? I knew prices went up for COVID, assumed they went back down at some point.
Where do you get a 12 tb drive for $100?
Yeah, that’s crazy.
I guess all those $100 deals were used too.
So I guess at least used prices went down?
But I remember years ago a shuckable 12tb for like $120-140 on sale wasnt unusual on buildapcsales.
They’re much cheaper than $20 off a new drive. I bought a 14TB WD server drive from them within the last year for less than it cost me to get an 8TB Elements/Easystore on sale back in 2018. It was easily 50% of the new price for a similar drive.
Not to sound snarky or anything, but since when do prices go down? If people were willing to pay the inflated price, there’s no incentive for them not to make that the new standard.
The entire existence of computers outside the last five years…
I agree to some extent, but even before then hardware was getting expensive thanks to stuff like the Bitcoin mining craze. Harddrives have been getting cheaper on a dollar per TB basis for a long time (as they should), but I remember the days when it was cheaper to build a gaming PC than to buy a new console, and those days are long gone. And after COVID hit, greedflation set in to declare what the new normal is.
A new 12 TB drive is literally 300€ now.
I don’t think it was EVER 100€ for a 12TB, certainly not helium filled. Prices during covid went up, but not even near 3x for hard dives.
This post is like fate. Just yesterday I came to the conclusion my HDD in my aging PC is going screwy.
These guys have deals all the time, I see them pop up on slickdeals a lot
I was already planning to just drive to microcenter like it was 2017 or something.
Would love to buy some, but shipping to EU is too expensive.
I had a similar issue with instruments once, because Thomann is cheaper by a factor of 10 to USA equivalents.
Thomann crew checking in! Bought my first “real” guitar from them and she’s still my favourite despite being given a Les Paul by Bowling For Soup this year. I really should play that baby
Bowling For Soup have been cool for so long, very underappreciated.
I’ve used vykingship, a shipping forwarder, before to ship from US to EU. it basically gives you an us address to ship things to and they will ship it to you.
I’ve found their rates are usually cheaper than direct from the store.
Of course customs and duty charges will still apply.
What’s the catch? Is there a catch?
These are used drives that have about 35K hours (4 years) of power on time.
Good quality drives to be sure, but maybe not as reliable now as they once were.That’s why you buy extras and put them in RAID or zfs!
It just means they’ve survived the first part of the bathtub curve. To me that’s a bonus.
Refurbished drive. I’ve had 4 white label drives running for a number of years without issue, planning on eventually getting 12 more and maxing out my servers.
Unfortunately that’s years down the line :(2nd catch, behind the power on time: PWDIS drives: if you’re not using them somewhere with sata 3.2/3.3, you need to use an adapter for the power plug, or some tape, to block pins 1-3 (3.3v) as supplying it to these causes them to reset. Might be worth doing the taping anyway, if you’re using an enclosure or cage (where you can’t use the adapters)
They are also enterprise drives which consume slightly more power and more importantly generate more noise/clicking sounds on average when compared to a consumer drive. Depending on where you were planning to install them, it might not be the best option.
I have a similar one, different seller and possibly submodel, but also a refurb HGST 12T enterprise drive. It sounds like I left a soda on my desk most of the time, subtly popping and ticking.
They generate a LOT of noise. Not a dealbreaker for most but something to be aware of for sure.
I really wish we had a service like this on Europe.
I know they ship to Europe. But shipping costs are prohibitive for small buys.
Depressingly, that’s around 2x the cost/Tb.
Cries in Middle East.
Look on eBay, there are oftentimes some from server farm providers like hetzner
Plus tax. Finland is stopping everything from outside EU and demanding proof that tax is paid. So I have to look at the prices with postage and add 24%.
And here I thought Germany had it bad with 19%…
I just bought two of their 12TB for $100 each and they were the manufactured recertified. One had like 8 hours run time and the second had like 36 hours so brand new for the lifetime of a hard drive. So far no issues. Also beware these drives are very loud.
Refurbished drives get their SMART data reset during the process, they absolutely had more than that originally.
Oh wow I did not know that.
That’s absolutely terrifying. Like resetting the speedometer for used cars.
You mean odometer, resetting the speedometer wouldn’t be a bad thing.
You’d better hope that be pretty close to zero before attempting repairs.
Hang on, you don’t typically buy your cars at 15Km/h?
Usually I buy them at a slower speed as I’m not in shape
That’s why you run a couple rounds of preclear to stress them and then run a fresh smart report.
Amazon reseller for xbox drives was getting 10 year old dirty crusty drives and swapping the HD controller to a more recent one. So SMART report looked like a young drive. Xbox casing had a sticker or warranty void. So me being me wondered and opened it to find a dirty ass old drive inside. i called Amazon and initially they said it is outside of return window and warranty…But i explained it doesn’t matter when I detected the fraud it is still fraud. So they gave me my money back
This has got me concerned, wondering how do you tell it’s old if the controller is replaced? Are there serials or dates on the other parts or just obvious wear?
For the ones I had, the corrosion of the metal and stained labels was the give away (looked like they had been out on an autoshop repair bench), but each part had its own label dates. HDD was way older date than the controller board.
Odometer*
I think there is a difference on Refurbished drives and Manufactured recertified. On server part deals the prices were different and manufactured recertified being a little more expensive for the same drive. So I assumed the drives were send back from a data center and tested again but they cant be spelled as new.
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Is this a normal sound for it? https://sndup.net/bpx9/
Yeah I think that’s normal , I moved my NAS to a closet because of how loud the drives are. I wasn’t even able to sleep with that noise lol
I * think * those were the brand I bought?
Regardless, 80 for 12 TB is a steal.
How are the doing so far?
No issues what’s so ever. Have them in a four drivE QNAS. I was a bit concerned about them being cheaper drives initially but after I got them installed I literally haven’t thought about them again in terms of reliability.
0 complaints and they seem to be doing about as well as some more expensive drives might be.
Thank you, I was getting some buyer’s regret because of the hast decision to buy.
I mean, I don’t know your use case, but as a self-hoster/ research scientist, I think my usage is much much. And I do rely on mine for business, as my wife and I both rely on it for hosting our data, which for me is large geospatial datasets, and when I’m doing large compute runs, there are many many read writes. We also store a large amount of music/ videos for streaming and running a jelly fin server. Thats been fine as well. I think since in our case we don’t have a ton of people hitting the server at once, its just never as stressed as it might be in a corporate/ multi user environment.
Thank you, I also know it’s a lottery and hopefully I get a nice unit.
I’m going to use it solo as a home server to sync, store and read data. And eventually as a streaming server for jelly fin too, mostly for myself only too.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
Fewer Letters More Letters NAS Network-Attached Storage RAID Redundant Array of Independent Disks for mass storage SSD Solid State Drive mass storage
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I have six 14TB drives in my NAS from serverpartdeals. Never had a problem with any of them.
If I may, what do you do with 84TB in your Nas ?
Never ask a man his pay, a woman her weight/age, or a data horder the contents of their stash.
Jk. Mostly.
I have a similar-ish set up to @Davel23 , I have a couple of cool use cases.
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I seed the last 5 arch and opensuse (a few different flavors) ISOs at all times
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I run an ArchiveTeam warrior for archive.org
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I scan nontrivial mail (the paper kind) and store it in docspell for later OCR searches, tax purposes etc.
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I help keep Sci-Mag healthy
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I host several services for de-googling, including Nextcloud, Blocky, Immich, and Searxng
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I run Navidrome, that has mostly (and hopefully will soon completely) replace Spotify for my family.
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I run Plex (hoping to move to Jellyfin sometime, but there’s inertial resistance to that) that has completely replaced Disney streaming, Netflix streaming, etc for me and my extended family.
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I host backups for my family and close friends with an S3 and WebDAV backup target
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I run Frigate on a few PoE cameras in the forest behind my house to check out wildlife
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I use the audio streams from my cameras to check for birdsong, identify birds, and archive and submit the detections to a citizen science website (https://app.birdweather.com)
I run 4x14TB, 2x8TB, 2x4TB, all from serverpartsdeals, in a ZFS RAID10 with two 1TB cache dives, so half of the spinning rust usable at ~35TiB, and right now I’m at 62% utilization. I usually expand at about 85%
I been wanting to self host my own S3 Server may I ask how you do it?
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Do HDDs noticably degrade when powered off? I’m thinking about getting one of these for cold storage backups. Also, how much of an impact does repeated power cycling have on lifespan?
HDDs are your best option for long-term storage. Every storage mechanism fails eventually but HDDs are convenient, last long, and have excellent data recovery.
They do, but not so much that your average home user would notice without having more than enough time to fix the problem.
Read it as 120TB at first and my eyes nearly jumped out of their sockets.
12 TB for $80 is a deal for me! My 8tb was around $200 to $300 in 2021
It’s “refurbed” by the seller. It also says it has approximately 35,000 hours on it. That’s 4 years of continual use. I wouldn’t trust that with anything.
That drive could run another 5 years without any problems.
It could. I’m not trusting it with anything important though.
It certainly could. That’s the gamble you’re taking.
I usually replace drives after 5 years if they are doing anything I consider important. So those drives to me would have 1-2 years left in them. Of course, I have seen a good number of drives I have repurposed to things less important still manage to rack up impressive numbers of hours.
I’m running Raid z2;and have considered even z3 which should be plenty of redundancy for older drives. Well that and backing up data to a separate location.
Depends on the usage. That’s the gamble you take. I would maybe buy three and put two in a mirror and keep the third one as a replacement?
That’s 240$ for three drives without warranty though… Nevermind I’d prefer to buy two new Toshiba X300 new for 210$ a piece and forget the headache and get the warranty.
Sometimes you get what you pay for … Sometimes
The Toshiba x300 is a consumer drive, the drive they are offering is an enterprise grade storage drive. I have only bought enterprise or nas speed drives in the past. Consumer drives may not be built to the same standards.
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Interest to know this too, deal appears too good…
I dunno, 80 for a Hitachi seems a little low, but not too good.
Not sure I’d buy one used tho.
If the deal is too good to be true, it probably is.
6gb sas is regularly found for 30-40$. 80$ for 12gb sounds reasonnable. And you’ll save 50% power per GB
I’ve bought a fair amount of drives from them and have had no issues, just today I got in some seagate exos 2x18 drives from them and their packaging was as professional ever.
