Honestly this is absurd. These death machines shouldn’t be legal in europe. That thing doesn’t even fit in the parking space, even though the parking lot has the biggest spaces in the whole city. The Golf Polo is so small in comparison, it could even hide in front of the engine hood of the truck.
EDIT: It’s a Polo and not a Golf, I don’t know my cars, sorry for that!
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Both of them are used to transport mostly a single person at a time. Even the small one is too big.
Fuck cars, not just big trucks. They all tuck, they all are responsible for the harm done.
But you forgot that the truck can be used to haul 4 pieces of lumber twice a year!
The golf will also get farther with the same amount of fuel. Way farther.
That’s a Polo, the Golf is a tad bigger
In the States, the same choads that drive tankmobiles tend to complain about fuel prices and how it’s all big gubmint’s fault for stealing their fun (fun being defined as the ability to do 95 mph on the interstate and still pay under $50 for a tank of gas).
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Just imagine those people being forced to pay European fuel prices…
Just yesterday I got gas for our car at a convenient price of 8.2$/gal (1.98€/l). E95, no idea how that compares to whatever the hell they sell on across the pond.
The last fuel station I saw on Sunday had E95 for €2.389/l - at a motorway in the Netherlands.
Not with a flat tyre.
The car doesn’t have a flat tyre, it’s actually in the parking space unlike the truck…
I’d wager a sizeable number of half-ton pickup trucks are used solely as people movers, i.e. the bed and towing capabilities aren’t utilized. In many countries, trade workers more than manage with light vehicles, like kei trucks in Japan, so I think they’d work for the average weekend warrior too.
What always gets me is how shitty pick-ups are at transporting things.
A percussionist I know has a double cab van, I think it’s a Ford transit. It can haul 3 timpani, a drum, tubular bells, a bass drum and other smaller stuff all in one trip. And then it still has space for 5 people. Try doing that with a pick-up.
As a bass player, a VW Touran can fit two double basses and two people. Can’t do that in a pick-up.
Those are roughly the same size as a 150 though, aren’t they?
Why is a behemoth of a van OK, but an equal sized pickup isn’t?
Because pick-ups are truly unfit for purpose unless the purpose is to increase your confidence and sense of safety on the road. We are always gonna need utility vehicles for specific purposes. A percussionist is not hauling drums on the train.
You could easily do what you said with a pickup with a canopy though, while still having the towing and off road capabilities.
Show me how you transport a ton of gravel in your car please (and remember, a ton is more than the towing capacity of the vast majority of cars, so no cheating!)
The places around me will deliver it for quite cheap so the uh, 2 times in my life I need that I’ll just do that?
How often does the average person haul tons of earthen materials around?
In my case multiple times a year… plus construction material, furniture, motorcycles… In the end I need to haul heavy shit multiple times a month.
Yet, people would take pictures of my SUV and call me an idiot with no respect for driving a big vehicle… With a 4 cylinders that has a fuel consumption that’s the same (or better) as AWD cars that these same people don’t criticize???
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All highway, 8.2L/100km, mixed, 9.5L/100km.
AWD cars with similar power (so mostly V6) are higher than that, even more so if I include towing capacity in the comparison.
What’s the car?
Just do a little bit of research into the fuel efficiency of various sized vehicles, the correlation is not direct and some larger vehicles get better gas mileage than smaller vehicles strictly due to efficiency. A small inefficient motor and a large efficient motor may yield the same mpg, but the large efficient motor is extracting more power from the same fuel source. And that’s not even getting into diesel versus gasoline…
Most of your fuel use goes towards overcoming aerodynamic drag, especially at highway speed.
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I think its fair if people call you an idiot for buying an SUV to haul shit - there are far better vehicles for the job.
Yes, better drive a truck instead of taking my trailer with me just when it’s necessary, so I take more space and have worse fuel economy 👍
I mean with reasoning skills like that I’m not sure you should be qualified to drive either of those things lol
And what do they use to deliver it?
Professional delivery truck with a lifting bed to slide the earth off the back easily wherever you ask them to
A specialized vehicle, not a crappy pickup truck
Never a pickup truck, that’s for sure. Usually a tilt bed truck in my experience. Not something you’d generally want to drive unless you’re moving gravel.
I have a small trailer. Towing capacity of my 2003 Subaru WRX is 1500 lbs. So I guess two trips? Truth be told, that’s why I have the trailer. For when I need to move a decent volume of random crap for work.
I don’t think the people here are complaining about pickups when used for work, but they are shit vehicles for daily driving. And, this is my personal opinion, crew cabs are usually not utilized to transport workers. More than not, I expect they are because they think they’ll take the family or kids in it. Even then they usually drive without any passengers.
I get that a lot of workers don’t want to have two vehicles, but pickups are not good daily drivers.
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Two words: commercial van. Seriously, they’re great.
Can you forklift a pallet from the side? Nope the tub design doesn’t allow it unless you have a tray design.
Can you load a large ladder on it? No ladder/timber rack.
Is it good off-road? Perhaps, but the tub design over the rear tyres and back bumper make the departure angle poor, you’ll need rock sliders or a lift.
I think I’ll stick to wagons and vans.
You can put a roof rack on almost any vehicle, just BTW.
Pickups are just worse vans.
Can’t fit an ATV in a van, and no I won’t use a trailer because I’m already using one. Trucks have their uses because vans don’t have an open top.
Seriously discussion here always feels impossible. They’re sitting shit taking the truck while in a Euro city with great public transit. BOTH are unnecessary with the right context.
There are many things you can’t fit in a van. There are many things that fit in a van, but don’t fit in a pickup truck.
Generally, a van fits more things, takes up less spacs, has a better visibility, are more efficient and don’t look ridiculous.
And yes, believe it or not, there are vans that fit ATVs.
That’s a good way to get run over by an ATV in a crash.
Yes, in both pickup trucks and vans.
Let’s ignore that people have been using vans in Europe to haul heavy things for years. Let’s ignore that you can strap things down to the railing inside the van Let’s ignore the protective barrier between the driver and the cargo space.
10/10 argument.
I have driven a van with a cargo barrier, it was rated for 90KG. Do you know how heavy an ATV is? More than that.
The lashing points would also tear out in a big enough impact.
You’re talking shit.
I don’t care enough about towing ATVs, listing all possible vans, or you to continue this conversation.
All I know that, at least in Europe, we’ve gotten around fine for decades without pickups, and everyone in a pickup is assumed to be a knob or an american.
Do many trades genuinely work out of Kei trucks? I feel a lot of people here don’t understand just how tiny they are.
headlights shouldn’t be allowed that high on road vehicles, blinding menace on wheels.
Yes. Both cars fit the same amount of people but one driver is carrying a smaller package.
I see you know the driver of the truck. 😈
ayy lmao
I also started to see more of these in urban areas of europe. Not a huge amount but still recognizable. I dont get why one would buy something like this. You wont even be able to find a proper parking spot for these.
100% they are buying these to “protest” the “green agenda” or some bullshit like that.
That’s not very strong in EU, it’s mostly for ego, people buy cars that they think look like the image they want to display.
That’s not very strong in EU
??? Thats just wrong lol
In which EU country is there a notable percentage of people buying big cars to protest the green agenda? Never heard of it in France. I do know a lot of people who buy cars for the image and the social status however.
Here in Sweden it’s certainly not an insignificant opinion amongst car enthusiasts.
Towing and hauling larger than car type things.
“Big car = strong!”
No, it tows and fits a rear facing seat comfortably. Not sure what’s so complicated here.
Only biiiiiiig car fit child seat.
Only big car tow.
True story.
Only if you have a handful of brain cells.
👌👍
Yeah, you absolutely need a wankpanzer to install a child seat 🤡
Why would the Golf not tow? This isn’t America where everything is automatic and the transmission would overheat when applying torque.
That’s a Polo, not a Golf and show me a Golf (let alone a Polo!) towing over 5k lbs and I’ll show you an idiot with a death wish.
Oh and again, you don’t know anything about car with your “manual vs automatic” bullshit.
A car frame is not rated for more than 1500lbs. You can’t tow anything but the smallest of trailers . Brake overheating as well as other issues can make that dangerous.
Polos tow 1 to 1.2t. And yes I know what a fluid coupling is as well as thermodynamics.
TBF you mostly get auto golfs these days. Manuals are rare on most new cars.
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I think the most absurd is, that even former basic cars like the Polo get bigger and bigger. Modern Polos seem to take up more space than a gen. 1, 2, or even 3 Golf - but with barely more space inside.
Effects are, they take up more public space when curb parking, perversely hindering their brothers to get through. Some just barely fit single garages built in the 50ies, totally inconveniencing the driver trying to get out. One’d thing people buying these would see these self created problems, but apparently not.
Ok but a lot of that space is taken up by crumple zones and the like, things that make far fewer people die. Euro NCAP legislation drives a lot of the change you are seeing, and a lot of it for the better.
Completely agree, Crumple zones, sound deadening, side impact safety bars, airbags, rollover reinforcement, even just the structure of the seats has changed dramatically over time. Sit in a mk1 golf or polo and marvel at the exterior coloured painted metal on the inside of the car, and now think, how was it ok to make a car with this little safety?
Crumple zones do not reflect the ridiculous proportions of that pickup truck.
The VW has perfectly fine crumple zones for a collision with another car of up to double it’s mass and size. They are also designed to give pedestrians a fighting chance of minimal injury in built up areas.
Due to the arrival of these pickups, all cars need to get bigger and more reinforced to deal with a collision.
Trucks are actually the vehicles that have increased in size the least if you compare the same models (same brand, same cab and bed), height is the only major difference that make them seem much bigger than the older models and that height is due in part to safety standards, including the capacity to hold 1.5 times their weight on their roof.
I hate how not mini the Mini is now.
I mean, the Mini Cooper S is really only 7” longer and 200lbs more than it was a decade ago, and the rest of the dimensions are pretty much the same. There are loud of other models they make which I do agree aren’t very small lol
a decade ago
That wasn’t a MINI either. The last really small MINI was produced 23 years ago. See also here: https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/mini-cooper-1990-3-door-hatchback-vs-mini-cooper-2013-3-door-hatchback/
They don’t see their big car being the issue. They complain about parking spaces so small these days that they “have to” use up multiple/park halfway on the curb/block the biking lane.
Yeah basically all modern cars have tiny interior volumes, even tho externally they are huge.
As a comparison, my 2014 Nissan Note can maximally carry 2012 liters. The 2023 Renault Espace - a label whose name literally means spacious - can only carry 1818 liters. And that’s while it’s 50cm taller, wider and longer than the Nissan while weighing a whopping 50% more.
Exactly. I honestly think my 2 door saloon has more capacity than all these light SUVs.
I don’t know about interior volume, but the only modern cars that I’ve been in that I actually considered spacious on the insides are those newer Civic models. Like from 2015 or so. My friend has one of them, they’re decently compact from the outside, but my god the only time I’ve had that much legspace and headroom in a car was in vans.
Now, admittedly, you’re not gonna be hauling sofas and fridges with one, but as a people mover and grocery getter? Really damn good.
I’m seeing these in London now. Why are we importing the absolute worst of US transportation fucks ups?
I mean… No. They do not. The car fits 4 tiny people.
I’m 6’4. I drove tiny sedans for years, for all the reasons you’d think.It was physically painful for me. I finally couldn’t do it anymore. In no way would my tall family fit in that tiny car.
Are trucks way too big? Yes. Should public transport be easily accessible and prioritized? Absolutely. Is the seating in those vehicles the same. Not at all.
4 tiny people. Lmao like you are the average at 6’4. Get your head out of your behind.
There are small cars with higher roofs. But please elaborate why tall peoples’ only way of transportation in cars is trucks :D
Yep, I’m also 6’4" and I drive a subcompact hatchback perfectly comfortably.
And while I’m the tallest, my tall family has no issues.
How much leg room does the person behind you have?
9-10 in with the seat all the way back
I didn’t say you need a truck, or that I’m average. But comparing the space inside these two vehicles as equal is just not true.
This is a weirdly common issue in this sub, people dismissing one person’s issue or use case offhand, because it doesn’t align with their preconceptions.
Most small cars don’t have anywhere near the leg room of a big vehicle, especially with multiple occupants.
I’m 6’4 and I can fit very comfortably in a Polo. Volkswagen Polos are in the top 10 best selling cars in the Netherlands, along with Opel Corsa, Toyota Yaris, Peugeot 208 and Kia Picanto. All compact cars that are perfectly comfortable in the front seats selling great in a country where being 6’4 isn’t rare.
Agree, I’m 1.93 and was so happy about my MINI as that car is designed for up to 2m tall drivers.
SUVs are idiotic as people movers.
With anyone in the back? Because I drove a Jetta for years, which has a surprisingly spacious front seat. Unfortunately, unless your legs were two dimensional, you did not fit behind me.
What about the back seat, with your lanky ass sitting up front?
As a 6’5 i disagree. The small car is a renault clio 2007 model, a regular hatchback. I owned one of those and could drive it fine.
Dont compare it to a opel corsa or 211, those are tiny af and too small for us lolThe small car is clearly a Volkswagen, the badge on the front is visible. It’s a pre-facelift Polo mk5, though, and as a fellow tall person whose brother had one for a while I know I fit in it fine
Huh, from afar it looked like the renault emblem. But ye, polo fits fine too if the chair/wheel are set right
Sorry for phrasing it quite so grouchily. I didn’t mean for it to come across like that, but re-reading it now it was quite rude of me
Oh, no problem. We both live on the internet, you know how it is haha.
That, and it didnt come across as rude to me lol
6ft 2 here, I drive a smart car. Heaps of space
For you, about anyone is tiny. And you are one of the very few who would actually need a larger car. And don’t you come with “but all my friends in my basketball team are like that!”
They probably don’t need a larger car. I’m 6’6" and drive a Corolla.
I often wonder how basketball players drive sports cars. Maybe from the back seat?
Anyway, no. When friends ask if they should buy the same vehicle, I tell them to get a smaller one if they fit. Cheaper gas, maintenance, and easier to park…That or buy an RV.
One of the doctors in the hospital I once worked was >2m (6ft8in for the metrically challenged) and drove a Porsche. Seeing him folding into that car was quite interesting.
2 in the back and 2 in the front is fine for people with average size 1.85m height and normal posture. 3 in the back no but that is the case for a lot of cars unless they have separate seats. If you are taller then no every car works for you as well as I know from my uncle and nephews which are 2m
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I (5 foot 10, really long legs) drove an old Nissan Micra (slightly bigger than a Mini) for years and the size never bothered me. My brothers and dad are taller than me and they’ve always driven small hatchbacks. Suzuki Swift, Volkswagen Polo, that kind of thing. Seats can go all the way back, and both the Swift and the old Micra have high enough roofs.
How else are you going to let people know you lost the genetic lottery?
Well, not the same amount of people. The truck can only carry the same number of people, but only guys with small dicks.
Only one of them fits a man with a small dick
God forbid somebody drives a pickup truck. There’s never ever a necessity to haul anything weighing over 500kg or to ever pull a large trailer. It’s safe to assume anybody driving one of these big scary machines is a sadist with a micropenis and a threat to society.
Do you realize that whoever grew the food you ate today likely owns and utilizes a pickup truck? Do you realize that your convenient city life would be impossible without rural people transporting goods to your little concrete paradise?
That’s funny. This might shock you but I don’t actually live in a concrete paradise. I live in a rural area in Europe in a small village with a lot of farms. Take a guess how many pickup trucks there are here? Close to none. That’s because nobody actually needs a pick-up truck.
Might just be my experience but in the UK at least, it’s almost exclusively women who drive cars like this. Men more commonly drive vans and super large vehicles to be fair, but specifically larger than necessary, non-tradesman style cars (Land Rovers, very clean, empty pick-ups etc.)
Yeh because they want to feel safe. All it is. And it’s not safer at all.
I’m sure it’s safer for them, but not for the kid they’ll accidentally run over because they simply couldn’t see it.
But it’s not safer at all. They handle like shit.
By safe I meant they won’t be the ones killed in an accident. They won’t feel the impact cuz their car just keeps going.
And comfortably fit 2 rear facing seats. Fuck having kids amirite?
I could comfortably fit two car seats in my Prius. You’re delusional if you think the truck is required for that.
Imagine comparing a mid size to compact. I also said comfortably.
Why would interior space affect the comfort of a small kid in a rear facing carseat? It’s not like they care about the legroom.
Because you have to move the front seat forward to safely not have the two seats touch. It’s uncomfortable for the passenger and worst case can cause it to be difficult to quickly slow down cause the pedals are so close.
There is a reason mid size SUVs (formerly the accord) are the king of suburban vehicles. My accord was only like 4.5 inches shorter than our outback.
I wasn’t comparing a midsized to a compact, I was pointing out that you’re full of shit for thinking that only massive SUVs can fit two car seats, because you absolutely are. Have you been inside a Prius? It’s just as long as a RAV4. The main loss of interior space is in the headroom. Not sure if you realize, but children in car seats don’t need that headroom. Not that most people do. I’m 6 feet tall and I fit in the backseat with a comfortable amount of headroom and legroom. Plenty of space for two car seats to fit comfortably.
I never said anything about any SUV. I just pointed out a polo is a shitty car if you have kids 🤷♂️
The Prius isn’t a particularly small car though.
It seems like a lot of people here don’t understand that circumstances might be different in different places. This post itself assumes the only reason is to transport people, but the truck can do more than that.
If I lived in a rural place and needed something that could tow, transport, and go over tougher terrain, I could see the usefulness of having a truck around. Not everything is in a comfy city where everything is within a couple miles.
Now where I currently live, I’d never dream of getting a truck like that. So much hassle and the roads are too small. But I could see it being useful for someone else.
Can you store up to 10 corpses on that Polo?
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