The Defense of Children in Palestine has tracked dozens of deaths in Palestine as a result of airstrikes from Israel.
  • idkwhatnametopick@kbin.social
    94·
    9 months ago

    Honestly disgusting how the media overlooks this. No idea what these children have ever done. Irrespective of what side you support this is genocide and this should not be tolerated.

    • المنطقة عكف عفريت@lemmy.worldOP
      51·
      9 months ago

      That’s what war and siege does. People lose children a lot so they have more children.

      This is what it means to live in Gaza:

      0–14 years: 44.1% (male 415,746/female 394,195)

      15–24 years: 21.3% (male 197,797/female 194,112)

      25–54 years: 28.5% (male 256,103/female 267,285)

      55–64 years: 3.5% (male 33,413/female 30,592)’

      65 years and over: 2.6% (male 24,863/female 22,607) (2018 est.)

      Edit: source https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_State_of_Palestine

      • Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        18·
        9 months ago

        Maybe I don’t know, don’t bring more people into the world if they live on a literal battlefield? I don’t even want to bring kids into america right now. I can’t imagine how selfish one would have to be to bring a child into a warzone where their life expectancy is half the norm and they will suffer the entire time.

        • المنطقة عكف عفريت@lemmy.worldOP
          19·
          9 months ago

          This is just something all humans do during war. I would never want kids either but I won’t blame others for doing a completely human thing. Not having children would mean a slow extinction for them.

        • ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub
          19·
          9 months ago

          You live in the most sheltered country in the world and somehow have a very in depth perspective for what it’s like to live in a battlefield?

        • griefreeze@lemmy.world
          17·
          9 months ago

          This is such an ignorant take and yet you felt compelled to share it as if it’s some obvious truth. I wish I could walk around with that kind of confidence.

          You probably think they should just move too, right? Such a simple easy answer, I wonder why they can’t…

            • Evie @lemmy.world
              8·
              9 months ago

              It’s either have kids or go extinct… And your comment seems like you are literally saying to them “go extinct because Israel has/had a right to control your procreation process and land”.

              Gross

              • AeroLemming@lemm.eeEnglish
                6·
                9 months ago

                I’m an antinatalist, so I don’t think anyone should be having kids, regardless of location, status, etc.

                • Evie @lemmy.world
                  5·
                  9 months ago

                  What a sad existence that you should just live out yourself and let others do what they want. Kinda like religious person… do you, leave me and mine alone. Keep your life practice to yourself ☺️

              • Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                5·
                9 months ago

                If you want to bring children into a world where they will suffer and die young, that’s your choice. I would rather go extinct if I’m not able to relocate (and no, I’m not saying relocation is an option for the people of Gaza).

                • Evie @lemmy.world
                  6·
                  9 months ago

                  More like I am against genocide and don’t judge humans for doing human things. It’s like saying people a crossed all existence should just not have kids and we should all die cause of your personal reasons… just like a religious person should do, your should keep your views to yourself and stop preaching them.

                  I understand why humans procreate and sometimes don’t have any control or luxury to that control like first world countries do… But it sounds like you rather shame humans for doing human things than actually come up with helpful solutions.

                  Blaming the victims of circumstances for trying to still be Human doesn’t make you superior, no matter how many times you type it from behind your privileged existence on a keyboard.

          • RubberElectrons@lemmy.world
            7·
            9 months ago

            Calm down man, at least on the second point. Having a kid is essentially a one-way ticket, let’s encourage people being sure they can be a quality parent.

          • المنطقة عكف عفريت@lemmy.worldOP
            4·
            9 months ago

            I can tell you’re one of the people who never fights back because it’s easier to surrender.

            I don’t think it’s good or helpful to make conclusions about that person. It’s reasonable to not bring children into a bad economy… if you can afford to not have them and have lots more to fulfill you. It’s not reasonable, though, to go around judging people by whether or not they have had a child because of a situation that is totally out of control. Palestinians would easily lose the fight when outnumbered. No one is making “soldier babies” or anything like that – these are just children who deserve a good existence and not an open-air prison.

            This person doesn’t want kids, kudos to them, I can’t wait for the day when the last human goes extinct but this is a totally different issue.

            @Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com

            So who will be the one to blame? A normal human being getting married and having kids VS a genocidal ethnostate that wants to ethnically cleanse the natives of the land?

            Would it have been morally wrong for Jews during Nazi Germany to have kids? Maybe Anne Frank should have just not been born so we can prevent her suffering?!? Come on.

            • Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              2·
              9 months ago

              First of all, thank you Snek for having a reasonable and adult discussion. And thanks to whoever cleaned up this thread (my shit included, even if the wafflehouse bit was hilarious).

              I’m not really looking at this as who to point a finger at. In terms of having kids, it’s a risk/reward analysis. This is just my opinion, and I’ve never implied it’s the only right answer. But me personally; if I was living somewhere under threat of being attacked, I would not feel comfortable bringing a child into that environment.

              If someone brings a child into the world and someone else dropped a bomb on that child, would I say it’s the parents fault? No, of course not. Will that parent be devastated? Yes. Will that parent have put blood, money and love into something that’s how gone? Yes. Will that parent spend the rest of their life feeling guilty about what happened? Probably. Do I personally want to put myself into that position? Hell no!

              But that’s me and my opinion. Like I said earlier, parenthood is hard as it is right now. Nevermind climate change…

              • المنطقة عكف عفريت@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
                3·
                9 months ago

                Thanks for clarifying

                But me personally; if I was living somewhere under threat of being attacked, I would not feel comfortable bringing a child into that environment.

                Me too, I wouldn’t either (heck I’m not even having kids in normal circumstances)

                Climate change is also another (quite good) reason to clean up the planet and empty the orphanages first…

        • Sparking@lemm.eeEnglish
          6·
          9 months ago

          They aren’t having more sex. You have 18 years to be a child, and then another ~60 to die. At low life expectancy, the chances of you being a child is very high.

    • Binthinkin@kbin.social
      38·
      9 months ago

      Well yea, every area that suffers long wars suffers from that. In Niger 50% of the population is under 15. I saw so many kids looking for work it hurt my soul.

      Poverty in the US is a solvable joke by comparison.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
    30·
    9 months ago

    And those kids will grow up hateful and resentful of Israel, which will make it easy to mold them into the sort of people who commit the atrocities Hamas committed. Israel is creating their own future problem.

    • المنطقة عكف عفريت@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      10·
      9 months ago

      Yes. Even if Israel “eradicates” Hamas, the idea is still there, and with the trauma that these adults and children have gone through would probably take decades to heal, and even then many won’t heal at all and become extremists.

    • prole@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      8·
      9 months ago

      Israel is creating their own future problem.

      Which monsters like Netanyahu love. More excuse for genocide and conquest.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
        15·
        9 months ago

        Because Germany didn’t then exist under decades of apartheid where they were denied basic services just due to the accident of their birth. Even East Germans had it far, far better than Gazans.

          • المنطقة عكف عفريت@lemmy.worldOP
            7·
            9 months ago

            Gaza only ended up on the situation it is now because surrounding countries kept attacking Isreal over the last 70 years and lost land to them, then Hamas/the PLO/etc have played on similar agrievements to get themselves into the leadership position and have now lead them into a war.

            Just FYI, Gazans are refugees who were forced to the Gaza strip by… ISRAEL! Woohoo.

          • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
            2·
            9 months ago

            Israel didn’t exist there prior…

            They took land (rather, were given land by western empires that wasn’t there’s to give) and kicked out and killed those who were there. Yeah, that’s didn’t create any resentment at all I’m sure and it’s all the attacks that happened in response that caused it.

            Someone else can always be blamed. To act like Israel doesn’t share in the blame is probably one of the most ignorant statements I’ve heard.

      • KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world
        4·
        9 months ago

        Adding onto the other poster’s comment, another reason is because the US will never pour unlimited money and resources into these people making sure they do.

        Europe didn’t pull itself up by its own bootstraps after WWII.

  • sadreality@kbin.social
    22·
    9 months ago

    Who would have thought that cutting energy and infrastructure along with limiting food supplies would cause a humatrian crisis in a densely populated camp…

    Just yesterday fake news said, Gaza residents deserve it and Israel has every right to do it.

  • S_204@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7·
    9 months ago

    The Palestinians I’ve met who moved to Canada, were surprised that I didn’t have horns as a Jewish person. Some less funny stereotypes too but that one was… surprising given the physical proximity of Gaza to Jewish settlements.

    I’ve made some friends with people who came from there, and once they’re comfortable with opening up, what they say about the education over there makes perfect sense as to why the hate continues.

    When you’re teaching kindergarten kids to stab or drive over Jews, not Israelis, Jews there’s not much hope for you to NOT be a terrorist.

    The UN needs to do a better job of deradicalizing the education system over there, how that happens is way beyond my understanding.

    I’m not saying Israelis can’t be assholes, but I’m absolutely positive they’re not teaching that hate in their education system.

    • المنطقة عكف عفريت@lemmy.worldOP
      1·
      9 months ago

      but I’m absolutely positive they’re not teaching that hate in their education system.

      I don’t know about that, but I know they do it in the army: https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2010/aug/17/israel-palestinian-territories

      If Israeli authorities taught Israelis that Palestinians are not sub-human, you would not have all these Israeli Palestinians now being fired from their jobs, and you would not have these shitty photos from that Guardian article, in which this is described as “widespread”.

      Dehumanizing Palestinians is Israel’s first and foremost tool… without it, you cannot make people commit atrocities. Jews were also dehumanized during the holocaust to reach the same result of ethnic cleansing and genocide.

      • S_204@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        9 months ago

        You think Israel should continue to allow Gazans to cross the border and work in Israel after war has been declared?

        Are you mad? Like are you seriously fucking crazy? They’ve been attacked, first thing you do is secure your borders.

        • المنطقة عكف عفريت@lemmy.worldOP
          1·
          9 months ago

          You think Israel should continue to allow Gazans to cross the border and work in Israel after war has been declared?

          Yes. Israel is wrong to commit ethnic cleansing and all the other crimes in Gaza.

          • S_204@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            9 months ago

            This ethnic cleansing lie is so obviously and clearly debunked. It’s shocking that people are so stupid enough to repeat it .

            There are millions of Arabs living peacefully within Israel’s borders. Gaza itself has one of the highest birth rates in the world and has a growing population.

            Those are facts. Those facts quite clearly prove claims of genocide to be completely fabricated. No ethnic group of people are being wiped out.

            One of these two groups is calling for the extermination of the other group. That is Hamas.

              • S_204@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                9 months ago

                How’s it debunked? By reality! A genocide needs more people to die than to be born, which obviously isn’t happening. Even on the cultural front, there’s no removal from society happening.

                Now you’ve got Hamas indiscriminately bombing Jerusalem, including Holy Arab religious sites, with the iron dome protecting those. Israel yet again proving it cares more about Arab lives and culture than Hamas does.