Hello. It is I, Tiff. I am not dead contrary to my lack of Reddthat updates 😅 !
It’s been a fun few months since our last update. We’ve been mainlining those beta releases, found critical performance issues before they made it into the wider Lemmyverse and helped the rest of the Lemmyverse update from Postgres 15 to 16 as part of the updates for Lemmy versions 0.19.4 and 0.19.5!
Thank-you to everyone who helped out in the matrix admin rooms as well as others who have made improvements which will allow us to streamline the setup for all future upgrades.
And a huge thank you to everyone who has stuck around as a Reddthat user too! Without you all this little corner of the world wouldn’t have been possible. I havn’t been as active as I should be for Reddthat, moderating, diagnosing issues and helping other admins has been taking the majority of my Reddthat allocated time. Creating these “monthly” updates should… be monthly at least! so I’ll attempt start posting them monthly, even if nothing is really happening!
High CPU Usages / Long Load Times
Unfortunately you may have noticed some longer page load times with Reddthat, but we are not alone! These issues are with Lemmy as a whole! Since the 0.19.x releases many people have talked about Lemmy having an increase in CPU usage, and they have the monitoring to prove it too. On average there was a 20% increase and for those who have single user instance this was a significant increase. Especially when people were using a raspberry pi or some other small form factor device to run their instance.
This increase was one of the many reasons why our server migrations were required a couple months ago. There is good news believe it or not! We found the issue with the long page load times, and helped the developers find the solution! -
This change looks like it will be merged within the next couple days. Once we’ve done our own testing, we will backport the commit and start creating our own Lemmy ‘version’. Any backporting will be met with scrutiny and I will only cherry-pick the bare minimum to ensure we never get into a situation where we are required to use the beta releases. Stability is one of my core beliefs and ensuring we all have a great time!
Donation Drive
We need some recurring donations!
We currently have $374.10 and our operating costs have slowly been creeping up over the course of the last few months. Especially with the current currency conversions. The current deficit is $74. Even with the amazing 12 current users we will run out of money in 5 months. That’s January next year! We need another 15 users to donate $5/month and we’d be breaking even. That’s 1 coffee a month.
If you are financially able please see the sidebar for donation options, go to our funding post , or go directly to our Open Collective and signup for recurring donations!
Our finances are viewable to all and you can see the latest expense here: https://opencollective.com/reddthat/expenses/213722
- OVH Server (Main Server) - $119.42 AUD
- Wasabi S3 (Image Hosting) - $16.85 AUD
- Scaleway Server (LemmyWorld Proxy) - $6.62 AUD
Scaleway
Unfortunately until Lemmy optimises their activity sending we still need a proxy in EU, and I havn’t found any server that is cheaper than €3.99. If you know of something with 1GB RAM with an IPv4 thats less than that let me know. The good news is that Lemmy.ml is currently testing their new sending capabilities so it’s possible that we will be able to eventually remove the server in the next year or so. The biggest cost in scaleway is actually the IPv4. The server itself is less than €1.50 so if lemmy.world had IPv6 we could in theory save €1.50/m. In saying all this, that saving per month is not a lot of money!
Wasabi
Wasabi S3 is also one of those interesting items where in theory it should only be USD$7, but in reality they are charging us closer to USD$11. They charge a premium for any storage that is deleted before 30 days, as they are meant to be an “archive” instead of a hot storage system.
This means that all images that are deleted before 30 days incur a cost. Over the last 30 days that has amounted to 305GB! So while we don’t get charged for outbound traffic, we are still paying more than the USD$7 per month.
We’ve already tried setting the pictrs caching to auto-delete the thumbnails after 30 days rather than the default 7 days, but people still upload and delete files, and close our their accounts and delete everything. I expect this to happen and want people to be able to delete their content if they wish.
OVH Server
When I migrated the server in April we were having database issues. As such we purchased a server with more memory (ram) than the size of the database, which is the general idea when sizing a database. Memory: 32 GB
. Unfortunately I was thinking on a purely technical level rather than what we could realistically afford and now we are paying the price. Literally. (I also forgot it was in USD not AUD :| )
Again, having the extra ram gives us the ability to host our other frontends, trial new features, and ensure we are going to be online incase there are other issues. Eventually we will also increase our Lemmy applications from 1 to 2 and this extra headroom will facilitate this.
Donate your CPU! (Trialing)
If you are unable to donate money that is okay too and here is another option! You can donate your CPU power instead to help us mine crypto coins, anonymously! This is a new initiative we are trialing. We have setup a P2Pool at: https://donate.reddthat.com. More information about joining the mining pool can be found there. The general idea is: download a mining program, enter in our pool details, start mining, when our pool finds a “block”, we’ll get paid.
I’ve been testing this myself as an option of the past month as a “side hustle” on some laptops. Over the past 30 days I managed to make $5. Which is not terrible if we can scale it out. If it doesn’t takes off, that’s fine too!
I understand some people will be hesitant for any of the many reasons that exist against crypto, but any option to help us pay our server bills and allow people to donate in an anonymous way is always a boon for me.
Conclusion
These Lemmy bugs have been causing a headache for me in diagnosing and finding solutions. With the upcoming 0.19.6 release I hope that we can put this behind us and Reddthat will be better for it.
Again, thank you all for sticking around in our times of instabilities, posting, commenting and engaging in thoughtful communications.
You are all amazing.
Cheers,
Tiff
Sent y’all $5/mo (as a lump sum for the year). Keep up the good work! Thanks for helping to make this community lovely.
Thankyou! That made my day! (And the servers filled with coffee)
Considering donating an one off 200eur, is open collective okay or would you prefer another platform?
(Sorry for the dummy question, I remember seeing a post about the different options a few months ago, will look it up when I am home in ther afternoon)
Whoa! Thanks for even considering donating. I won’t hold you to it if you happen to donate less later 😉
After testing ko-fi we still end up having the same fees compared with OpenCollective as it’s PayPal instead of Stripe. So in the end it’s better to go via OpenCollective. As it’s a lot more transparent and shows all the donations and will allow me to show all of our bills etc.
Thanks!
Used open collective. Tbh I am kinda jeleaous of how you get to have fun with this instance, and I want to support it as much as I can. Hopefully, this will buy the instance a couple more months of runway until it breaks even.
Keep being awesome!!! You have my total respect and admiration ❤️❤️
❤️ the heart emoji doesn’t do it justice! Thankyou!
The instance has been super stable for me the last few months, and I use it everyday. Guess I’m on the hook for a recurring donation…done. Thanks for all your hard work Tiff!
🤩 Always great to hear! Thanks!
Thank you for all you do. I will review my finances and see if I can make a small one time donation to help make up the deficit. I’ll hopefully be in the financial position to make a recurring donation in about 6 months, but we’ll see what life throws me between then and now
😍 Thank you for being here!
Thank you for the update! Looking towards the update getting pushed so that the long load times are solved!
It’s live!
The long loads are because of huge images/content believe it or not 😂. I too can’t wait to finally see some nice fast Reddthat
Are you trying to say that when someone uploads all 35 megapixels directly to reddthat it might actually take a minute to upload/download? /sarcasm
Yeah! Except it wasn’t just images. Instead it was all links. And inside the Lemmy process and it would block all other connections! Which is the why it was an issue! Super weird.
But the whole Lemmy app is full of these issues hiding in the background. People seem to forget it’s still in its infancy and expect a 1-1 Reddit experience. We regularly get people signing up and then quitting like the thread from last week regarding the lack of downvotes. Or the lack of X,Y,Z.
</end rant>
It’s fixed for Reddthat now, which is the best part! 😉
If you ever start taking Bitcoin let me know, and I’ll happily drop a few donations here’s and there when I can.
Appears that Tiff already does accept crypto
https://reddthat.com/post/25633
XMR Directly: 4286pC9NxdyTo5Y3Z9Yr9NN1PoRUE3aXnBMW5TeKuSzPHh6eYB6HTZk7W9wmAfPqJR1j684WNRkcHiP9TwhvMoBrUD9PSt3 BTC Directly: bc1q8md5gfdr55rn9zh3a30n6vtlktxgg5w4stvvas
I do! It’s already in the sidebar!
BTC Directly:
bc1q8md5gfdr55rn9zh3a30n6vtlktxgg5w4stvvas
Oh cool! I’ll make sure to send some donations then to pull my weight
Hey Tiff, awesome work.
Have you considered buying hardware and renting only the datacenter location? Then you just have to pay for its rent (power + space in a datacenter).
Especially for higher ram usage, it usually pays off.
It’s sometimes called server colocation, for example this italian provider https://serverdedicati.aruba.it/colocation offers :
- 100 Watts
- 100 Mbit/s
- 2U server height
- 75cm of depth Starting at 59€ + taxes.
With this you could have much more RAM. There are also many smaller providers that offer much more competitive prices, you then really cut costs.
Edit:
Contabo https://contabo.com/en/dedicated-servers/ makes 95€ a month for 64GB RAM
Otherwise I remembered this website https://lowendtalk.com/categories/offers that has various smaller providers proving colocation.
For example, this one https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/184470/alexhost-com-web-hosting-vps-dedicated-servers-colocation-md offers https://alexhost.com/colocation-in-moldova/ 77€ for 300 Watts. With that, you can easily get a chunkier server with lots of RAM and disks and do whatever you want at a MUCH lower price :)
I’ve always wanted to do colocation and looked into it when I first started Reddthat and we had our initial growth. We are lucky we didn’t otherwise I would be out of money ages ago!
The aruba.it colocation is about the same price as our OVH server which would be probably the most viable as we are close to having enough donators to have a long enough runway it would make sense.
(Goal being: A$150/m ~ USD$100/€90. And OpenCollective doing some magical nonsense with the Total amount we have left and averaging it across 12 months or something)The 32GB of RAM we have currently is overkill for an instance of our size. We could get away with using 16GB and still have room to grow for the next year. Which will probably be what will happen in April, but I’ll re-evaluate before then and see whether a colocation option is viable.
Our stance on downvotes, and lack of super-popular local communities means we are growing slowly over time and are very stable in requirements. Lemmy still being in it’s infancy means there are problems that are no fault of the hardware but the software. An example would be the latest issue we were experiencing where no matter what resources we had, it would result in 100% CPU usage for brief periods, with 10-20s page loads for everyone during that period.I am very tempted but I still need to make sure I am being responsible with the donations. By next year we’ll most likely be over 1TB of object storage and our S3 costs will slowly start increasing MoM. While not a lot I still need to factor it in growing costs.