Disgusting. Before you jump to “obviously, who expected being a hostage to be nice, this is sad but normal in war blah blah blah” just remember all of the despicable bullshit that Zionists say to justify the massive civilian casualties and continuous war crimes of Israel. If you sound like them you are not on the side of humanity.
Fuck Hamas and fuck every single one of them that did something like this.
Yes, thank you for reminding everyone we condemn Hamas, it’s really hard to know if the West supports terrorists or not and unfortunately I have to state that’s sarcasm. Nobody is siding with the terrorist insurgency but fuck Israel for making conditions so inhumane, so unlivable, so untenable that the only solution they can reasonably find is to fight a state fully funded by the United States. Nobody chooses to fight the US without believing they’re going to die anyway.
Israel created their own villains and I have zero fucking sympathy for them.
OK but funding terrorist groups is an absolutely standard practice of empires, on a large scale in the past few centuries. They either do it quietly, “accidentally”, or rebrand the group in their propaganda (‘fighting for liberty/against oppression’ & stuff like that). “Terrorism” just means the predominant use of terror in a fight (instead of like regular direct war horrors where you kill 100+ thousand people in a single day by carpet bombing civilian population & that destruction itself is the main goal and terror just a lesser side effect). Terrorism is chapter, less death and destruction overall too, so major empires would usually start their conquests with that & save the direct military action (or economic ownership via corporations) for later.
USA does that all the time in a very British Empire sort of way, either to fight the current government/regime/system they (economically mostly) dislike or to prolong some weird status quo. I mean, the ruling party of Israel has undeniable roots of terrorism (like literally, before joining with some other parties & a very vague rebranding since their beliefs didn’t change all that much). Same with Palestinian ruling party (but you know, they just used to live there, so under conditions like that an organisation like that sort of libration-terrorist grup is bound to emerge - and this was known throughout the formation of Israel). And both parties were democratically elected iirc.
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Ohh, I should have been more clear that I was replying to the ‘if West supports terrorism’ bit. And I was saying yes.
Still, I cannot possibly understand how could you jump from my ‘West kills civilians, for terror and for conquering, and always did’ to ‘defending Israel’.
Also I said Israel is governed by terrorists if you missed that. Israel is basically a marionette state with such a huge reliance on US free money & geological support. And neither of them was ever above bombing schools & hospitals.
fucking ghouls
… I have to admit I never thought about their reproductive or recreational habits.
Do you have sympathy for the woman raped by Hamas?
Israel is not that woman. I don’t have sympathy for their government, but I certainly have sympathy for this woman.
Sure do, that’s why my first comment said it was sad and sucks for her but knowing there are at least a dozen more Palestinian women who were also raped, whose names will never be known to the world, who didn’t get to go on television and talk about it, who were killed afterwards as they likely begged for their lives, who were then rolled into a fucking mass grave. It makes it really, really hard to care about this woman and her problems.
I’m not going to let her unfortunate situation overshadow the extreme brutality happening to the Palestinians. Not any longer.
A lot of us can do two things at once, and feel bad for this woman without it detracting from how much worse things are for Palestinian women. We can mourn and condemn the small and the large atrocities. We can care about all the victims and damn all the perpetrators.
But that said, I actually do understand what you been. Because it seems a lot of people are incapable of doing both at once, and they’ll focus on the lesser atrocity over the larger. And so, you have to remind people of the worse situation, even if it seems callous. I think I get where you’re coming from.
The only thing I’d say is that for people like us, who have more than two braincells, we can care about this woman and her problems, and also care about the countless more Palestinians and their problems. We can keep that in mind personally while we point out the greater problem. And I think it’s imperative that we do keep everything in mind, because it helps us maintain our humanity in inhumane times.
That’s wild because twice now I’ve said to you that I feel bad for her and it sucks but it’s a distraction from the horrors quite literally from the other side of the border. I am not going to morun a paper cut in front of someone missing their leg. I am not going to stop and express great loss to someone who survived their attack in front of someone who lost loved ones to the same kind of attack.
The people who are overly concerned about this woman are the ones trying to use her story as a smokescreen against the atrocities their side have committed. The “Hamas did a bad thing!! Don’t pay attention to the IDF doing the same thing exponentially more times! Listen to how bad her story is!”
The dead can’t speak. They can’t relive their trauma because they’re gone. Extinguished. Stop missing the forest for the trees and start looking at the broader context. But you know, you’re right, you’ve helped me realize maybe I don’t give a shit about her story because she’s choosing to use that story as propaganda. Thanks, Aragorn. Fuck that woman and her problems. I choose to believe that only the inhumane would placate to these small stories while the victims of true abuse have no voice. Buried under the rubble of their homes, losing their lives wishing for nothing more than to just live a little longer.
If there is even a glimmer of humanity left it is not with the IDF. It is not with Israel. And it most certainly is not with the people who try to defend them. There is no middle ground to this conflict, my friend. You are either a monster or are fighting them.
Imagine being so psychotic you try to pretend that 10/7 didn’t happen.
It “didn’t happen in a vacuum” right? She deserved to be raped right? People like you are why my sympathy for the Palestinian plight dwindles by the day.
LOL 10/7
Shut the fuck up. How many Palestinians have been raped? Reporters killed? Children bombed? Starved? Mutilated the the IDF? The shit I’d tell you to do would get me banned off this instance but make no mistake I have zero sympathy for you and the fucking monsters you suckle to cock of. You’re beyond pathetic.
Israel kicking Palestine for 50+ years. Don’t be surprised when they kick back.
Honestly, if you’re outraged about 10/7 wait till you hear about the last 50+ years!
Oh, but she’s Israeli, so this is just lies, right guys? Right?
Good call. I hate dumb strawman arguments. Can’t win this argument so let’s build one I can!
This image is a little bit undercut by the comma directly below it making that actual argument.
No this sexual assault story definitely proves it after all the other ones were debunked. We have no incentive to believe israel consistently lies about these stories to manufacture consent for Genocide.
So convenient to bring it up 120 days after her release after the last batch of israeli rape accusations started to die down. Now they can start screaming for Hamas rape again while starving Gaza.
If only israel didn’t weaponize false rape accusations to manufacture consent for Genocide fifty times this would be a lot easier to believe.
TIL you should be over being raped and kidnapped after 4 months.
Not changing the story to gradually worsen every month sure helps credibilty.
This woman did not say she was raped btw.
Not saying the story consistently is precisely a sign that the trauma is actually real. Human brains actually work like that.
that article doesn’t claim she was raped
Sexually assaulted under gunpoint vs raped is splitting hairs, imo.
Not a woman myself but I think there’s a difference between getting groped and what most people would think of with the term ‘raped’
You don’t compare in trauma therapy, it’s an unwise road to travel.
But you do in assessing proper reaction and punishment to the perpetrator. The wording used to the victim is a thin ice to thread and can be a lot different, completely for good reasons. The wording used to put the perpetrator on trial, especially if it appeals to the jury via public awareness, needs to be very specific, and any deviations from using exact words with right connotations is either used to lighten the crime or make it more vile than it perceptible is.
you should be able to provide a credible story.
No we just don’t really give a shit because yeah, no shit a terrorist insurgency mistreated their hostages. It changes absolutely nothing. Really sucks for her, sorry it happened, hope she gets help, fuck Israel.
Hell yes this is exactly the kind of cyclical no thought violent logic we need to keep that conflict going for another hundred years!!
Oh, no you misunderstand, plenty of thought in what I said.
Israel created Hamas without a care in the world, ground Palestine to their knees, kicked them while they were down, and the moment they collected enough spit to put it in Israel’s face by making rockets out of the crumbling pipes they can’t get materials to fix, Israel went mask off. Started nothing short of a genocide with virtually no opposition. So while Hamas treating their hostages poorly is sad, it’s also expected. Want to know what caught even me off guard? Israel has killed more Israeli hostages than Hamas has.
Absolutely go fuck yourself with a soldering iron then pass the message to Israel.
Israel has killed more Israeli hostages than Hamas has.
How do you know this?
What caught me off guard was that Hamas attacked military targets (not exclusively though) and the total amount of children killed on Oct 7 (including Israeli friendly fire) was 36. Israel has destroyed 70% of Gaza’s residential areas and killed over 13,000 children. 13,000 children! It seems the label “terrorist” was applied to the wrong side, especially when you consider the current situation in Rafah. Over a million people, starving, traumatized, not knowing when the next attack is coming and completely unable to defend themselves or even find a safe place. It’s unconscionable.
How do you know [Israel has killed more of their own hostages than Hamas]?
Reports like this, of which I’m sure there’d be more if the IDF didn’t kill the reporters.
Hamas are definitely closer to insurgents but are definitely still terrorists. Yes, pushed there by justifiable reasons, but we shouldn’t become disillusioned. They’re not good guys, but they are still the result of inhumane and brutal treatment.
Israel did not create Hamas. This is a silly distillation of facts.
Their actions did and they were caught giving Hamas money. Stop lying to yourself and everyone else.
You know, I kept hearing about this a while back so I was curious and I looked it up. Turns out it never was “israel gave hamas money”. Turns out Israel was funding certain on the ground initiatives that later folded into Hamas. It’s never so black and white, is it? I strongly encourage people to read beyond the headlines of what they read online.
Fuck me, I bet you believe Israel earnestly is trying to hit Hamas bases under every hospital and school. Or maybe that all 13,000 children they’ve killed were actually Hamas leaders.
Without Hamas, they have no scapegoat to wipe out Palestine. It’s never black and white, is it?
It’s only cyclical if you think the pro Palestinian voice here supports Hamas too.
Isreal is committing genocide against the Palestinian people, for the also despicable actions of the terrorist group in charge.
And while the Palestinian people may be partially responsible for Hamas being in charge, it’s far more complicated than that, as foreign powers including Isreal itself had a large part of putting Hamas in power and keeping them there. And Isreal is definitely responsible for a lifetime of oppression that breeds support for extremism.
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That’s horrible, it shouldn’t happen to anyone. We need more awareness and more trauma therapy, especially for children. Fortunately Israeli victims at least have a platform to be heard and sufficient resources available for treatment, but Palestinians do not. I’m not sure if there’s even a single fully functioning hospital left in Gaza, even after Israel turns back on the electricity, water, and gas. If they ever do.
James Gordon, a US psychiatrist … said recovery was possible even in severely traumatised children, but only if the outside world did not give up on them.
I’ll defend palestine and hate israel, but nothing, nothing will make me defend the pigs that are hamas
I can think of much better, utilitarian arrangements for Hamas members’ atoms than the current configuration. Fertilizing feedcrop for starters.
It’s a different article, this one from cnn, the one you linked from nytimes. Yes, they are about the same story, but it’s not a duplicate.
That’s all you’ll contribute, Linkerbaan?
No, it’s another instance.No it’s posted on world from another instance because the user is from that instance.
Ah, my bad. I thought it was posted on world@lemmy.ca
