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We see the nearly 33-year-old OS’s market share growing 31.3 percent from June 2023, when we last reported on Linux market share, to February. Since June, Linux usage has mostly increased gradually. Overall, there’s been a big leap in usage compared to five years ago. In February 2019, Linux was reportedly on 1.58 percent of desktops globally.
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Well, Microsoft is doing everything they can to get people to switch to Linux right now…
They are succeeding!
I’ve used Linux for years, certainly for all servers, but preferred the Windows desktop environment until last year.
So many shitty, slow updates. Hassle me to give MS my data or switch to Edge half the times I boot up…
I have fully embraced Gnome Shell and love my Debian setup. Feels great to be in control again!
Also, baseline CPU load is way lower and it’s much more rare to have my fans throttle up.
Valve and Microsoft working together to get people to switch to Linux and make 2024 the Year of Linux on the desktop.
Like for real. Ad ridden OS 11 with no support for a ton of processors that are still in use. My system I built in 2015 still runs fantastic, but my AMD 1600x processor didn’t make the cut. No loss there. As soon as OS 10 support stops it’ll just be a Linux PC.
Valve has also been a huge help with the constant push for Linux gaming and the Steam Deck.
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The increase in Linux is actually from Apple. Both Linux and Windows usage increased while MacOS decreased.
To be horribly pedantic… Not necessarily!
It could be Apple users -> Windows users -> Linux users – with larger numbers of Apple -> Windows conversions than Windows -> Linux conversions…
You know.
Maybe.
I don’t really keep up with Apple stuff, what are they doing for this to possibly happen?
Let me show you how with this PowerPoint! The new Windows11 PowerPoint, while shared in teams is both readable…the ant reading needs DLP fast eyes to shake its head at 130FPS so that the 4 available pixels can be translated into full 4K for the ant. That’s when the magic happens that some people are not aware, because if you got an ant farm, it will sometimes arrange the top sand into the current 4k frame. Yes, there’s a little loss of you use builder’s sand vs playground sand. Also there’s only one color…sand. and it freezes a lot!.. but do you know how hard it is to translate 4k pixel by pixel? The good news is that if everyone is sharing their cameras you get an absolute awesome view of their faces!.. everyone squinting trying to see if that little squiggly thing is the updated bracket you’re working on or if it’s an ant.
For those that are stuck with it: https://github.com/LeDragoX/Win-Debloat-Tools
Everything they can? They just need to kill off windows, they’re not doing that.
That depends on how you look at it.
They have a lot of existing contracts they can’t simply annul.
Such as? I love Windows 11 for Auto HDR alone. I never have to think about HDR at all in 11. It just works. In 10 the implementation was wonky at best. It often made things look worse so I literally never used it. Can’t wait for the dedicated Copilot key as well. 'Bout time they retired the useless Menu key. I don’t know of any Linux distro that integrates AI with the OS… Do you? Cause I’m still willing to switch so long as it has AI and a proper HDR implementation.
Ehy would you want “AI” in an OS?
There are very legitimate usecases.
Better offline translation, image descriptions for the less visually able, being able to search for specific images (e.g. going to the gallery app and searching for all your dog pics). This all could be done offline, privately, using ethically-sourced training data.
Is that how Microsoft will use AI? Lmao of course not
It’ll be used as a shitty chatbot that only exists to siphon your data and send it to Microsoft so they can target you with more ads, some of which will be pushed to you via that very same AI “assistant”.
You have a point and I was a little too against it. Still, having offline AI will transform any PC into a heater, no?
I’m using AI in a very controlled manner, I don’t want somebody else to decide for me where it’s applied.
Also, Windows 11 doesn’t have support for ultrawide monitors, and I happen to have one.
What do you mean it doesn’t support ultrawide monitors? I had an ultrawide for almost a decade and every version of Windows supported it flawlessly.
The new task bar can’t be moved to a short edge, so it obstructs a significant part of the screen.
Windows 11 can be displayed on a ultra wide monitor, but it’s not designed to work on that aspect ratio.
So you technically can move the task bar to the edge in Windows 11, but it requires a registry change. Ludicrous, but if you’re a home user you can do it.
If you’re stuck on an IT-managed install for work like I am, however, you’re out of luck
I’ve tested that, the taskbar completely breaks when you do that. Visually it’s at the edge, but everything else assumes that it’s below. For example, opening the start menu opens it at the bottom.
Oh so even if you do the registry workaround it’s worthless? Lol amazing, good to know.
Hm so you mean the task bar isn’t flexible then? Not quite what I understood by not working with ultrawides but I guess I can see where you’re coming from.
The only thing you can change is whether it’s centered or left justified, it’s not flexible at all.
The problem is that it takes up a significant amount of screen space for nothing.
LOL this is not the market share of Linux.
This is the share of Linux in one certain market of web surfers.
Yeah, misleading headline. They’re talking about the linux desktop, and based just on browser stats. Marked share of linux as a whole, including all datacenters, servers, cloud infrastructure, and heck, throw in IOT devices, android, routers, etc, I’m pretty sure it’s the dominant OS already.
No doubt it’s the most widely run OS, I think the significance is akin to the difference between ios and android. Android dominates smart phones as a whole but ios still generates far more revenue, giving them arguably more power. So while linux is more widely used, microsoft still dictates computing for the majority of people.
I just realized… Add in every tv sold this decade, the box bought got because the smart TV sucks, and the third one you got because it was cheap. Probably blue ray players too, if you have one.
That’s gotta beat PC sales several times over on its own… We truly live in an absurd world
Linux has conquered the universe literally everywhere apart from the use-case it was originally made for - home PCs.
And tbh, I’d imagine it’d be dominant there too if it weren’t for anti-competitive behaviour from Microsoft.
Yeah, “increasing market share” would be something like Netflix ditching FreeBSD for Linux.
Bro don’t kill the vibe
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2% more and they have to let it into the presidential debates.
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2024: Year of the Linux Desktop
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2023 was officially the year of the Linux laptop for me. The year of the linux desktop for myself may or may not be this year.
Same here. After several false starts over the last 30 years, 2023 was the year of the Linux laptop and server cluster for me. I’ve put in the work now and I am 100% sure that I’m never going back to Windows for those machines. I still have a fancy new Windows gaming machine though. I don’t want to switch it to Linux because it’s an Intel/Nvidia machine with three screens and a bunch of peripherals. Whoops!
id reckon youd have to wait for steam machines to have a modern reboot, and I dont think valve wants to push that yet till the majority of popular online miltiplayer games run on linux (the major hurdle linux has for gaming) as a home console replacement user is far more likely to also delve into online multiplayer over the handheld on the go player.
Windows 95 lockups drove me to linux. Options are good.
My year was 2007. I stopped caring about the rest of the world following me by about 2015. 17 years since I touched Windows without being paid to do so. feelsgoodman.jpg
*Linux SBC
Year of the Linux desktop babyyyy
Year of the Linux portable gaming handheld?
2 years in a row babyyyy
Year of the Linux Desktop! 1999-2035!
What happened in 2036?
OS Y came out
I always look forward to the penguin images on articles about Linux
It looks like it’s because macos lost a lot for some reason over the last couple of years with Windows and Linux picking up that share. Anyone know why?
My company was pushing MacBooks and iMacs on developers for years, now they’re reversing course. I’m guessing it’s a combination of the upfront cost and the hassle of enterprise administration, tech support, and security having to officially handle 2 different OS’s. It’s much easier to have everyone on similar setups, and Windows is basically the “default” OS for corporate users.
The new arch continues to mess up brew, which is by far what people use for development on the platform. In addition, docker and other custom tools are paid on Mac but free on Linux. With companies tightening their belts, Linux is starting to make financial sense.
What’s this about Docker not being free on MacOS? I have it installed and use it for dev work and it didn’t cost anything.
Docker desktop has a license that restricts commercial use depending on the size of your company/employer.
Use Colima to be on the safe side.
Ah right on thanks for the info, I had no idea. My company is less than 10 people with single digit million revenue so it appears we’re not violating anything. I knew they had a paid service, but none of that seems unique to MacOS.
I’m going to guess that everything else became so expensive, like food and rent, that people have less money to spend on a computer, and there’s is particularly expensive. But that’s just my guess.
People migrating to iPads maybe? I figured that Mac and Linux both would be making gains. Especially with apple silicon being 3 generations in and windows 11 sucking so much.
Wonder if iPads are cutting into that all. Considering they are cheaper than a MacBook which basically requires you to drop at least a grand for entry level devices
to the moon 🚀
We should thank Microsoft for rendering Windows absolutely unusable, to the point that many people are just jumping ship and installing a Linux distro.
Yeah, microsoft making outlook worse and worse every year sends me to thunderbird. And thunderbird suck on Windows, so I finally switched back to linux after years of using windows (I switched to windows when Windows 10 released).
I am surprised that linux is pretty usable at this point, much better than 7 years ago. I feel much more productive in gnome than on Windows at this point.
I am surprised that linux is pretty usable at this point, much better than 7 years ago.
While I’m surprised it’s still usable at this point, with all the enthusiasm about things ending it, but still not as good as 7 years ago for me.
The year of the Linux desktop was 2011.
What kind of things got worse with outlook? I still use it for work, and the ui has changed, sure, but still seems to do everything it used to. In fact, the progressive web app even works quite well on linux!
I am referring to the email client preinstalled with windows, not the office 365 version. MS adds ad to it and dramatically changed the UI (I forgot what problem I encountered with the new UI), that drives me towards thunderbird.
Ahh, gotcha. Last I saw it was called Windows Live Mail and was already just suuuper basic. I am kind of impressed they managed to make it worse haha
Why do I see this link every day on my feed with different thumbnails?
I upvote it every time, sorry
Me too! Just confused who is posting them, and how do they found cuter and cuter penguin photos.
As long as you can’t see Linux machines in normal computer stores it will not happen. Users never get the opportunity to experience it. Today there is no killer feature really like the other OS have.
The killer features(for me) are: Privacy(by Default), Opensource, Decent performance on old hardware, looks pretty(variable), basic software compatibility(else i would just use TempleOS)
Privacy(by Default)
Not once you get on the Web.
Decent performance on old hardware
I don’t know what you call old. Also not once you get on the Web.
looks pretty(variable),
Yessir, and for me that could be a sufficient reason alone. Sad that conkeror is no more usable for a browser.
Atleast i am acutely aware of what is phoning home(Unlike M$), I avoid G services like the plague, but whenever i am forced to use them they sit in a separate FF profile, I know what links what and who are in kahoots with whom: If you take the approach that going on the web is equivalent to waltzing in a big public market square, and apply the appropriate precautions, you can ensure you’re late night pillow searches are never linked back to your G account.
My hardware is atleast 13 Yr old at this point, and it runs the latest Linux kernel and the Gnome DE just fine, Video playback and the general Internet is just ‘fine’; you can equate it to providing a mobility scooter to an old grandma who is mentally fit
Going on the web is equivalent to waltzing into big port city’s cheapest and biggest brothel.
OK, so it’s 13 years, I was imagining c2d.
I would equate the darkweb to that moniker and not the general clear web (that is at this point running on the infrastructure of just 3-4 companies, so its more like a choice between malls than individual vendors)
I was imagining c2d.
What?
No, “the darkweb” is actually cleaner.
Core 2 Duo
agree to disagree
I once nagged my friend to install Zorin Os lite on his c2d laptop with 2gb of RAM, he still uses it to this day
People go to computer stores?
Yes, non-linux users
I don’t think I remember the last time I heard about someone, Linux user or not, going to a computer store. In fact, I don’t even know if there are computer stores around here anymore.
Plenty of big box stores here carry computers. There are also also electronics megastores like Mediamarkt, Saturn, and others.
I don’t know about where you live, but in Switzerland there are still stores where you can buy computers. In fact, all computers my parents ever bought are from computer stores.
Sweden. People, including my parents, buy computers (and everything else) online over here. Someone mentioned Mediamarkt, and we do have those around here as well, although I’ve never heard of anyone actually buying a computer there. But I’m sure some do.
Most likely Best Buy, Office Depot, or Wal Mart for the typical brick and mortar. Apple Stores too, but that’s a bit beside the point.
Office Depot gets benefits like a workspace where “hey, a laptop broke, we’ll get it warranty repaired, but in the mean time hop over to Office Depot and charge whatever because we need a replacement right this minute”. Strangely, even after all this time, there are folks that still need to touch and poke and ask questions before they settle.
Online is great if you are very particular and know what you want and can afford to wait a day or two because you want a somewhat less popular model. If you aren’t too particular, want some in person reassurances, or in a great hurry, then brick and mortar still wins.
here i was thinking i must be doing it wrong my last 5 rrigs from newegg. latest build
I’m people, does microcenter count?
Maybe if framework gets big?
I’ve been a regular user of Debian and Ubuntu for the last 20 years and even though I love the idea of Linux taking market share from Windows the article doesn’t in any way analyze the reliability of the statistics.
Statcounter says it gets its desktop operating system (OS) usage stats from tracking code installed on over 1.5 million global websites generating over 5 billion monthly page views.
So… How reliable is this actually? There are a millions reasons for me to fake which is and web browser in using. Some sites actively sabotage the user experience and usability if the OS is not identified as Windows or the web browser is not Chrome/Edge.
I’ve been working IT since the 90’s and there’s not a 4% market share of Linux when I look at my friends and colleagues that works IT. The ones I know that doesn’t work IT definitively don’t use Linux. Att least not in other things than Steam Deck and Android (Linux as in “modified kernel”) and maybe some premade img for RPi
How reliable is this actually? There are a millions reasons for me to fake which is and web browser in using.
Shouldn’t this effect cause Linux use to be under reported? That is, the real percentage would be higher than 4%?
I would pretty strongly expect significant correlation between people who spoof their user agent and Linux users.
Idk, I’m a woman approaching my senior years who had to have someone else install it. My whole household is on Linux. None of us are in IT.
That’s the point. As long as you can’t buy a laptop with Linux on it at your local computer store, the average user will stick with Windows. And MS will do everything they can to keep it that way.
Down here in Brazil desktops/laptops with Linux are a thing on most mainstream electronics stores. Have been for at least two decades b/cs I remember seeing those as a kid in the 2000s. Because poverty so the stores always have the cheaper options and the ones with Linux are cheaper than windows. Sometimes you can find the exact same configuration but the Linux version is like 200-400 BRL cheaper.
But what most people would do here is buy the Linux desktop to then install pirated versions of windows.
Damn! You really gave me hope there and then smashed it with your last sentence.
My grandparents had someone else to install Linux too. It was me btw.
A lot of software developers use Linux on their work computers. That’s a lot of page views done during work days.
But also many Linux users at home may have to use windows at work so it balances out I guess?
Is it?
Among my friends it’s more like 30%
Some sites actively sabotage the user experience and usability if the OS is not identified as Windows
Never heard of this and highly doubt it, but if it were true that’s 100% not a website I want to use, so they’d be doing me a favor.
You’re free to whatever opinion you might have but it’s not a secret that Google used to change their search page to a more limited one if you were using Firefox.
Hence people created add-ons to change the User Agent to mimic Chrome when accessing Google.
Edit: I just reread your comment and noticed that you only quoted the part about Windows.
I’ll just let my comment remain but it’s okay that you’re having an opinion that spoofing OS when accessing websites is not needed.
I’m well aware of that. Browser and OS aren’t the same thing. Weird.
I had to check if I was alone on this…I wasn’t. First hit on a quick Google:
So yeah, not alone… this is the hill I’m dying on😁
I’ve been daily driving Linux for over 3 years and don’t remember ever seeing it. And as a web developer I know the only way that would happen is if a shitty business decision mandated it.
…and shitty business decisions there are plenty of.
I’ve been daily driving Linux for over 3 years and don’t remember ever seeing it.
So you are calling everyone out on this because you started using Linux too recently to witness it, therefore it didn’t happen.
Gonna second you in this one. My Manjaro box is what I run to as a gold standard if one of my families windows machines using Chrome fails to load something. It’s consistent, reliable and fast. What I think is missing from this conversation is: wired or wifi. One of the reasons the Linux machine is the yardstick is that it’s not using wifi; never had a first page load fail.
Slack on Linux however… Eesh. Never had an app so reluctant to launch.
Are you also a relatively new Linux user as the guy you are agreeing with has said he is? Because this absolutely happened and was a continuous annoyance in the 2000s.
Never heard of this and highly doubt it
A quick google search will probably turn up lots of discussion forum results where Linux users were talking about the best way to change their user agent and complaining about sites that forced them to during ~ late 90s -> 2015 (give or take - prob was pretty rare by then).
In most cases it wasn’t anti-linux, it was the site being programmed to go “the user agent has to match these things or tell the user it’s not compatible with their browser” - but in MANY cases if Windows (or presumably MacOS) wasn’t one of the matched things, you received that message. Off the top of my head I specifically remember having to change it to pay my cable bill and get to my bank website.
There were also some more subtle cases where the site would load but some shit would not work (most famously the web interface for Office365 when it was newish).
So you can doubt, but this is what it was like to run Linux in the 2000s.
More recently (for sure post 2016) I recall having to change it to get the Netflix website to let me play content or fix some other bit of functionality on their site. As of today I haven’t run netflix in a browser window in years, but I assume that’s been resolved by now.
You can thank me later - I literally installed Linux back as my primary OS after being back on Windows for ages on the day before this report came out the first time.
Same! Just did it last Friday
Statcounter says it gets its desktop operating system (OS) usage stats from tracking code installed on over 1.5 million global websites generating over 5 billion monthly page views.
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Statcounter is a web analytics service. Our tracking code is installed on more than 1.5 million sites globally. These sites cover various activities and geographic locations. Every month, we record billions of page views to these sites. For each page view, we analyse the browser/operating system/screen resolution used and we establish if the page view is from a mobile device. For our search engine stats, we analyze every page view referred by a search engine. For our social media stats, we analyze every page view referred by a social media site. We summarize all this data to get our Global Stats information.
So… because I am blocking any and all trackers, I may not count towards this at all? Presumably the same is true of many Lemmy users.
And probably most Linux users, generally.
We should each create 5 small VMs with a Linux desktop on them and keep them running.
We’ll kick it up to like 5%!
