I don’t fully agree with the details and history of what you are saying, but I absolutely agree with your general sentiment….
The history of us political parties is not that simple, and we have not always just had the democrat and Republican parties…. I see you said the word conservative, but a hundred years ago pretty much everyone would agree with our modern “Republican” party over our modern democrat party…. But times have changed, and I would agree many conservatives are stuck in an archaic mindset no longer compatible with the modern world
I sort of understand the downvotes here but also don’t at the same time. Southern Democrats can be a bit of a surprise to newer generations not steeped in US history of the southern Dixiecrats and the southern block they use to rule with until they finally broke up and switched to the Republicans.
The comment above is sticking with Conservatives and Progressive which today most would equate to Republicans and Democrats respectively within the US.
The original post did not mention parties in any way shape or form. Republicans may have made themselves the modern party of conservatism. But the Dixiecrats were conservative as well. All conservatives all in the wrong side. It’s fairly simple.
I’m not sure conservative and progressive would have had the same context back then… it’s not that simple…
It’s trying to cram hundreds of years of history into today’s notions of conservative and progressive which I don’t think accurately represents the actual sentiments of the people living back then… and it glosses over the fact that many in the north enriched themselves from slavery as well, our country is founded on slavery, let’s not just simplify it to conservatives bad, progressives good… I think that is my main issue…
Progress is a moving target. There are many views held by those that were progressive back then. That would be anathema to modern progressives. But their progressive view points tend to transcend the time they were born.
Modern conservative bigots, aren’t really all that different from their counterparts from the past however. Party history doesn’t necessarily need to enter into it at all. Conservatives seek to conserve power for themselves. No more, no less. Exactly what that means to them may change superficially. But the core remains. Throughout all positive change in human history. Conservatives have been solidly against it. Conservative in America, conservatives in England, conservatives in Afghanistan, conservatives in just about anywhere else. Potato potato. The superficial trappings around it may differ slightly. But the core is always power for themselves and oppression of others to get it.
Honestly they’ve been a solidly right wing economic party since FDR. He was the last time since Biden oddly enough. That we invested heavily in domestic public infrastructure. And saying Biden even really approached FDR is a stretch. But it’s the closest we’ve come.
Ummm… literally fucking definitions, bro. Conservatives by definition want things to go back to ‘the good old days’ full of racism and white America. Progressives want… progress.
Progressives are good. Conservatives are bad. It is black and white.
I love how this community has clearly become such an echo chamber that even people who try to speak with even a bit of logic and measure get downvoted to hell. Our words fall on deaf ears here.
I’m not disagreeing with you, just very annoyed that if you don’t absolutely demonize the other side, you get downvoted, which you did and you were. That’s not what a healthy community does.
regardless of what political party the aligned themselves with, the political views of conservatives remain the same. that’s why the person you replied to didn’t identify those they referring to by their political party, but by their political views: conservatism.
I don’t fully agree with the details and history of what you are saying, but I absolutely agree with your general sentiment….
The history of us political parties is not that simple, and we have not always just had the democrat and Republican parties…. I see you said the word conservative, but a hundred years ago pretty much everyone would agree with our modern “Republican” party over our modern democrat party…. But times have changed, and I would agree many conservatives are stuck in an archaic mindset no longer compatible with the modern world
I sort of understand the downvotes here but also don’t at the same time. Southern Democrats can be a bit of a surprise to newer generations not steeped in US history of the southern Dixiecrats and the southern block they use to rule with until they finally broke up and switched to the Republicans.
The comment above is sticking with Conservatives and Progressive which today most would equate to Republicans and Democrats respectively within the US.
This meme is a quick hey what?
This is for those that want to know
much*more in depth: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_DemocratsThe original post did not mention parties in any way shape or form. Republicans may have made themselves the modern party of conservatism. But the Dixiecrats were conservative as well. All conservatives all in the wrong side. It’s fairly simple.
I’m not sure conservative and progressive would have had the same context back then… it’s not that simple…
It’s trying to cram hundreds of years of history into today’s notions of conservative and progressive which I don’t think accurately represents the actual sentiments of the people living back then… and it glosses over the fact that many in the north enriched themselves from slavery as well, our country is founded on slavery, let’s not just simplify it to conservatives bad, progressives good… I think that is my main issue…
Progress is a moving target. There are many views held by those that were progressive back then. That would be anathema to modern progressives. But their progressive view points tend to transcend the time they were born.
Modern conservative bigots, aren’t really all that different from their counterparts from the past however. Party history doesn’t necessarily need to enter into it at all. Conservatives seek to conserve power for themselves. No more, no less. Exactly what that means to them may change superficially. But the core remains. Throughout all positive change in human history. Conservatives have been solidly against it. Conservative in America, conservatives in England, conservatives in Afghanistan, conservatives in just about anywhere else. Potato potato. The superficial trappings around it may differ slightly. But the core is always power for themselves and oppression of others to get it.
Fundamentalist
I think we might be at a point in history where democrats are the new legitimate right wing party and we have some new left wing party….
Republicans no longer get to sit at the table
Honestly they’ve been a solidly right wing economic party since FDR. He was the last time since Biden oddly enough. That we invested heavily in domestic public infrastructure. And saying Biden even really approached FDR is a stretch. But it’s the closest we’ve come.
Ummm… literally fucking definitions, bro. Conservatives by definition want things to go back to ‘the good old days’ full of racism and white America. Progressives want… progress.
Progressives are good. Conservatives are bad. It is black and white.
So Conservative Colin Powell was wrong advocating for affirmative action and other programs to help create a more equitable society?
Or David Frum writing for the Atlantic as a conservative… I guess that magazine is secretly GOP shill.
I love how this community has clearly become such an echo chamber that even people who try to speak with even a bit of logic and measure get downvoted to hell. Our words fall on deaf ears here.
What do you mean. I don’t mind getting downvoted if we are discussing facts,
The civil war was about slavery, fact number 1
I’m not disagreeing with you, just very annoyed that if you don’t absolutely demonize the other side, you get downvoted, which you did and you were. That’s not what a healthy community does.
I hear you. Thankfully I don’t care if I get downvotes….
I do try to understand why I got the downvotes though, in this case I’m still not convinced.
I think a lot of people can’t stop with the black and white, our side Good their side Bad…
So even suggesting the other side isn’t worse than Hitler, or that our side is the fucking messiah gets downvotes, lol…
regardless of what political party the aligned themselves with, the political views of conservatives remain the same. that’s why the person you replied to didn’t identify those they referring to by their political party, but by their political views: conservatism.