Can someone please ELI5 to me why people here hate teslas so much? They have some of the best manufacturing, battery and self driving technology in the world. Is it because of Elon? I don’t get it.
Are you seriously saying they have some of the best manufacturing? My sweet summer child, even the Tesla fans that focus on the benefits of Tesla acknowledge that Tesla lays it’s focus clearly on the power grid & battery and that the manufacturing is really low-quality.
Their infotainment system isn’t great, their dashboard for the model 3 is in the middle of the car, and there’s no speedometer where every other manufacturer puts it. The infotainment system also controls the wipers, climate, and everything else with a touch screen, making it less useful and more dangerous for an average driver.
Their manufacturing isn’t outstanding, they had a target goal of full automatic factories, but instead have to rely on underpaid, nonunion workers, and it shows in the build quality.
They don’t supply parts, info, and equipment to 3rd party manufacturers, making it more expensive to maintain and fix their cars.
Their batteries are average, but they intentionally lie on the range estimate to make them look better.
My friend has a Tesla and thinks otherwise about the software, he thinks Tesla users are helping beta test the software/car, and one of his complaints is that the new vision based auto wiper is crap, they should have stuck with a rain sensor which have been working fine for the last ~10 years.
The rating system that Tesla’s mechanics in Sweden are judged by seems to incentivize poor service. Troubleshooting is discouraged and pushing the car out the door in shortest time possible encouraged.^1
It’s pretty much the opposite of what we did in a similar field of work. Getting things right on the production line, even at the cost at stopping it, usually saves money long term. I’d wager it’s similar with car service, repeat visits eats unnecessary resources and makes customers dissatisfied.
There’s a decent chance unionisation at Tesla Sweden would improve Tesla by improving the rating system used for wage negotiations.
I’ve seen lots of comments (on Reddit) about lousy quality control on Teslas. The company also made false claims about range.
Big companies all act like psychopaths, so I don’t know if it’s worse than other car companies, but Tesla seems to have more than it’s fair share of faux pas.
My pet theory (subjective experience having smoked both) is we’re gonna find out later that they were worse for you in a way we didn’t anticipate. This is coming from a guy who prefers the whole vape experience (ive smoked ~30 years) but it hurts my lungs in a way smoke doesn’t, and i cough up way more phlegm. Vape fucks my lungs.
Anyway I’ve quit again (2 months!)
Shit, i was gonna continue your vape analogy and just ended up ranting, sorry
After many many fuck ups, the most recent is that Tesla is trying to skirt labor rights in Sweden of all places, where labor is highly organized. The strikes have been hilarious to me, but labor is entitled to the value of all that it makes. Elon sucks, but this company would suck with or without him.
Best engineering? LULZ, oh hell no. Tesla is known for crappy production quality.
Best self driving technology? If you count elon’s lies, sure! If you don’t count those then telsas are a great tool to drive yourself off a cliff. Elon claimed full level 5 self driving over 5 years ago IIRC, yet even today they barely are level two and there are other brands with better self driving
Is it Elon? Well that too. Elon Musk, first of all is an antisocial asshole loser who requires his employees to be slaves, who called hero rescuers (one of which died in the attempt) pedophiles because they didn’t wanted his shit ideas, and I could go on. Moreover, though, Elon Musk is a scammer.
Yes, he is a scammer.
He was fired for being incompetent and then got lucky with company shares. But really look at it. Look at the ideas HE comes up and ideas that his employees come up. His ideas are all suicidal, or plain dumb and show an even highschool level of engineering knowledge. Yet people believe him when he claims he’s the best engineer in the world. He comes up with shit ideas that will never happen (hello Hyperloop!) and people lapnit up. Hyperloop had unto 100 billion invested world wide in various projects, which all went nowhere because the idea is just utter stupidity. Any highschooler should be able to be critical enough to poke so many holes in that shit that it’s a joke, yet universities went with it, investors went with it, actual engineers that should know better went with it… And everyone who just even dated to ask questions was made out to be an Elon hater. It. Is. Stupid. It literally can not and never will work.
Yet here we are. People still support this douche nozzle.
Telsa is MAJORLY overinflated in value like holy shit overinflated. They’re worth more than the top three car manufacturers that combined produce hundreds, if not thousands more car than Tesla does. How? If that doesn’t make alarm bells go of in your head then I don’t know what to tell ya. Tesla quality is bad, and repairs and maintenance is enormously expensive and resale value is low. Most tesla owners are not happy owners.
Cyber truck is a shit joke. Will never happen. Nuclear bomb proof glass? Like wtf? Great idea Elon! Awesome when you’re in an accident and stuck in a burning car and nobody can get you out. Also that design won’t ever be sold at least in Europe because it’s inherently dangerous for anyone outside that brick. Cars need to crumple and stuff to keep pedestrians safer when they get hit. Talking about crumpling, that super stiff frame is going to be awesome for the occupants as well in a crash. Hit a tree and the car is fine! All the occupants are dead mush, but who cares about them? They’re dumb Elon lovers anyway, just hose them out and resell that brick (and no, I don’t want anyone to die but dear god people, think for a second). All of that would be dumb if it would actually work, which it doesn’t. Actual pickup trucks are not held together by ducktape (not kidding) and outperform this piece of crap in every metric by factors.
Cyber truck? Well apparently it has a great cup holder because they can’t stop talking about those friggin cupholders, but the thing that matters, capacity, range, maintenance? Closely guardes secrets because it all sucks.
Elon’s AI robotics? Showing off great tricks like having a robot standing statically and move blocks around with one arm (and even that video was likely staged, as elonn tends to do) . Great first years student project elon buddy! Meanwhile Boston dynamics, an actual tech company has robots doing backflips, getting kicked around while keeping their balance and continuing their tasks, and they can dance in unison. Seriously, Boston dynamics robots would be scary if battery capacity and energy production weren’t such huge hurdles to overcome…
Elon Musk solar roofs? Was all a scam for which he was convicted. Lies after lies.
Twitter? Lol. Buy it for twice the cost, requiring you (Elon) to borrow billions because youay be rich, but you don’t have billions) then make twitter lose half its value within a year. Good luck with paying off the debt payments that are in the billions, asshole!
Also to clarify: His VALUE was in the 160 billion or so range because of his stocks in the 100-1000 times over valued Tesla company, the actual money he has is probably more into the tens of millions.
I can go on for a long, LONG time but yeah. Tesla as a brand sucks, Elon Musk is an asshole, liar and scammer and it’s nice to finally see that other people are catching on!
Can someone please ELI5 to me why people here hate teslas so much? They have some of the best manufacturing, battery and self driving technology in the world. Is it because of Elon? I don’t get it.
Are you seriously saying they have some of the best manufacturing? My sweet summer child, even the Tesla fans that focus on the benefits of Tesla acknowledge that Tesla lays it’s focus clearly on the power grid & battery and that the manufacturing is really low-quality.
you’ve been drinking elon-flavored kool-aid, haven’t you?
Do they, now?
Let’s not forget the time they installed a piece of wood from home depot in a new car’s engine bay.
Their self driving is not the best in the world, they’re not really rated all that well in self driving, they just market it that way.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/25/business/consumer-reports-ford-bluecruise-tesla/index.html
Their infotainment system isn’t great, their dashboard for the model 3 is in the middle of the car, and there’s no speedometer where every other manufacturer puts it. The infotainment system also controls the wipers, climate, and everything else with a touch screen, making it less useful and more dangerous for an average driver.
Their manufacturing isn’t outstanding, they had a target goal of full automatic factories, but instead have to rely on underpaid, nonunion workers, and it shows in the build quality.
They don’t supply parts, info, and equipment to 3rd party manufacturers, making it more expensive to maintain and fix their cars.
Their batteries are average, but they intentionally lie on the range estimate to make them look better.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/
Basically, aside from the advantage of being the first major EV manufacturer, everything else commonly associated with Tesla is just marketing lies.
That’s one thing the workers should definitely fix.
I work on Teslas for a living, and even if Elon was a good guy I would never buy one. They’re garbage cars with good software.
My friend has a Tesla and thinks otherwise about the software, he thinks Tesla users are helping beta test the software/car, and one of his complaints is that the new vision based auto wiper is crap, they should have stuck with a rain sensor which have been working fine for the last ~10 years.
No, the software is also bad.
TÜV SÜD disagrees:
https://www.tuvsud.com/en/press-and-media/2023/november/regular-servicing-makes-all-the-difference
So does the NHTSA:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a44185487/report-tesla-autopilot-crashes-since-2019/
As well as owners in general:
https://www.reuters.com/legal/tesla-owners-sue-over-impact-software-update-ev-batteries-2023-05-12/
Also, yeah, Elon’s a dick, but let’s judge the vehicles on their own merit.
The rating system that Tesla’s mechanics in Sweden are judged by seems to incentivize poor service. Troubleshooting is discouraged and pushing the car out the door in shortest time possible encouraged.^1
It’s pretty much the opposite of what we did in a similar field of work. Getting things right on the production line, even at the cost at stopping it, usually saves money long term. I’d wager it’s similar with car service, repeat visits eats unnecessary resources and makes customers dissatisfied.
There’s a decent chance unionisation at Tesla Sweden would improve Tesla by improving the rating system used for wage negotiations.
I’ve seen lots of comments (on Reddit) about lousy quality control on Teslas. The company also made false claims about range.
Big companies all act like psychopaths, so I don’t know if it’s worse than other car companies, but Tesla seems to have more than it’s fair share of faux pas.
The cars are piss-poor quality. Better EVs exist already.
i don’t care about tesla in particular but I hate how EV corpos keep marketing them as environmentally friendly when they are absolutely not
EVs are the equivalent of e-cigs.
Maybe less bad than the original, but they bring their own issues while marketed like the solution for the problem.
My pet theory (subjective experience having smoked both) is we’re gonna find out later that they were worse for you in a way we didn’t anticipate. This is coming from a guy who prefers the whole vape experience (ive smoked ~30 years) but it hurts my lungs in a way smoke doesn’t, and i cough up way more phlegm. Vape fucks my lungs.
Anyway I’ve quit again (2 months!)
Shit, i was gonna continue your vape analogy and just ended up ranting, sorry
Congratulations on the 2 months smokefree! Quitting cigarettes is tough, you can be proud :-)
Have you driven one? They’re the most cheaply built EVs on the market. My 2007 Honda had straighter panel gaps.
Awesome tech and good products but terrible management.
After many many fuck ups, the most recent is that Tesla is trying to skirt labor rights in Sweden of all places, where labor is highly organized. The strikes have been hilarious to me, but labor is entitled to the value of all that it makes. Elon sucks, but this company would suck with or without him.
Best batteries? Nope
Best engineering? LULZ, oh hell no. Tesla is known for crappy production quality.
Best self driving technology? If you count elon’s lies, sure! If you don’t count those then telsas are a great tool to drive yourself off a cliff. Elon claimed full level 5 self driving over 5 years ago IIRC, yet even today they barely are level two and there are other brands with better self driving
Is it Elon? Well that too. Elon Musk, first of all is an antisocial asshole loser who requires his employees to be slaves, who called hero rescuers (one of which died in the attempt) pedophiles because they didn’t wanted his shit ideas, and I could go on. Moreover, though, Elon Musk is a scammer.
Yes, he is a scammer.
He was fired for being incompetent and then got lucky with company shares. But really look at it. Look at the ideas HE comes up and ideas that his employees come up. His ideas are all suicidal, or plain dumb and show an even highschool level of engineering knowledge. Yet people believe him when he claims he’s the best engineer in the world. He comes up with shit ideas that will never happen (hello Hyperloop!) and people lapnit up. Hyperloop had unto 100 billion invested world wide in various projects, which all went nowhere because the idea is just utter stupidity. Any highschooler should be able to be critical enough to poke so many holes in that shit that it’s a joke, yet universities went with it, investors went with it, actual engineers that should know better went with it… And everyone who just even dated to ask questions was made out to be an Elon hater. It. Is. Stupid. It literally can not and never will work.
Yet here we are. People still support this douche nozzle.
Telsa is MAJORLY overinflated in value like holy shit overinflated. They’re worth more than the top three car manufacturers that combined produce hundreds, if not thousands more car than Tesla does. How? If that doesn’t make alarm bells go of in your head then I don’t know what to tell ya. Tesla quality is bad, and repairs and maintenance is enormously expensive and resale value is low. Most tesla owners are not happy owners.
Cyber truck is a shit joke. Will never happen. Nuclear bomb proof glass? Like wtf? Great idea Elon! Awesome when you’re in an accident and stuck in a burning car and nobody can get you out. Also that design won’t ever be sold at least in Europe because it’s inherently dangerous for anyone outside that brick. Cars need to crumple and stuff to keep pedestrians safer when they get hit. Talking about crumpling, that super stiff frame is going to be awesome for the occupants as well in a crash. Hit a tree and the car is fine! All the occupants are dead mush, but who cares about them? They’re dumb Elon lovers anyway, just hose them out and resell that brick (and no, I don’t want anyone to die but dear god people, think for a second). All of that would be dumb if it would actually work, which it doesn’t. Actual pickup trucks are not held together by ducktape (not kidding) and outperform this piece of crap in every metric by factors.
Cyber truck? Well apparently it has a great cup holder because they can’t stop talking about those friggin cupholders, but the thing that matters, capacity, range, maintenance? Closely guardes secrets because it all sucks.
Elon’s AI robotics? Showing off great tricks like having a robot standing statically and move blocks around with one arm (and even that video was likely staged, as elonn tends to do) . Great first years student project elon buddy! Meanwhile Boston dynamics, an actual tech company has robots doing backflips, getting kicked around while keeping their balance and continuing their tasks, and they can dance in unison. Seriously, Boston dynamics robots would be scary if battery capacity and energy production weren’t such huge hurdles to overcome…
Elon Musk solar roofs? Was all a scam for which he was convicted. Lies after lies.
Twitter? Lol. Buy it for twice the cost, requiring you (Elon) to borrow billions because youay be rich, but you don’t have billions) then make twitter lose half its value within a year. Good luck with paying off the debt payments that are in the billions, asshole!
Also to clarify: His VALUE was in the 160 billion or so range because of his stocks in the 100-1000 times over valued Tesla company, the actual money he has is probably more into the tens of millions.
I can go on for a long, LONG time but yeah. Tesla as a brand sucks, Elon Musk is an asshole, liar and scammer and it’s nice to finally see that other people are catching on!
Most libertarians tell people to speak or vote with their wallet. So here we are…