the extremely flawed and utterly repugnant lack of “logic” is that,
“if using human shields works as a strategy, they will do it more often”.
“conversely, if we prove to them that using human shields is ineffective, they will stop doing it”
You’d think people would learn that’s not the case after years of Hamas using human shields despite Israel proving they’ll bomb a place regardless. Even if it were true by some metric, how in the fuck is the number of casualties incurred by Israel’s policy of ignoring hostages worth it? In the days since October 7th, thousands of Palestinian civilians have been killed, including many in strikes on hospitals and refugee camps determined to house Hamas personnel. The policy is fucking monstrous and evidence shows it winds up in thousands of Palestinian deaths. Don’t tell me that those stolen lives somehow prevent even more civilian deaths unless you’ve got some very strong proof that this strategy has done anything to stop Hamas from hiding behind civilians, or that the thousands of civilians massacred are worth the chance to kill a few terrorists
Well if you wish to go there, there’s something to be said for how someone raised in violence can take away from their lived experience that “violence is how you raise people”, for instance how a big chunk of the baby boomer “sometimes children need to be smacked” generation did.
Sadly often, abusers turn out to have learned how to abuse people from being abused themselves; hurt people hurt people.
If someone stabbed you, though, I don’t think you’d feel mollified to learn that they themselves were victims of a stabbing themselves. The fact that they went through a trauma in the past does not give them free license to inflict that same trauma upon others.
But in light of the fact that Israel does not represent all Semitic peoples, the state of Israel has even less excuse to exhibit–practically EMBODY–the pure hypocrisy.
I would be more willing to believe this logic if they had more proof that one, Hamas was doing this in all instances that the IDF killed civilians and two that killing Hamas through human shields was working as a way to prevent this in the future. As of now it doesn’t seem to be stopping them according to IDF so I don’t think it is valid to use that logic.
It would also help if Israel’s leadership would stop comparing Palestinians to animals and stop stealing their land. It sure feels like an excuse to justify exterminating all Palestinians
It’s strange, how long does it take for IDF to realize that Hamas doesn’t give a shit about civilian lives. IDF killing the human shields changes nothing for Hamas.
They sort of have, when the “human shield” is being talked about, it’s not literal kids being held up front… it’s people refrained from gunpoint from leaving the building that IDF warned they’ll shoot down soon. They give enough time to escape while monitoring the “people leaving” using drones. But not enough time is given to transfer “ammo and weapons”. Constantly monitored using drones.
Human shields are the few people that are kept there at gunpoint, and there’s no way of knowing if there are civilians in the said building. As many people are seen escaping the building.
A friend of mine who works for Battalion [redacted] told me a story the other day about an adult male (about 23) who managed to escape the building and ran towards the battalion posted close by. While he was running/escaping towards the IDF, he was being shot from the building. But he made it. I don’t know the location of the guy except he’s in Israel and chilling. But wants to stay undercover for now, hopefully the world will hear his story someday.
IDF has a lot of proof, one I heard was that some of the gazans who died in the missile strike have “embedded” bullets from “Kalashnikova”… some Gazans know about this and they are afraid to speak out.
Regardless, I have few Palestinians and Israeli friends. And all of them support Palestinians… and all the Israelis I know told me they would protest after the war to force the Israeli government to rebuild Gaza.
the extremely flawed and utterly repugnant lack of “logic” is that,
“if using human shields works as a strategy, they will do it more often”.
“conversely, if we prove to them that using human shields is ineffective, they will stop doing it”
fucking. nauseating.
You’d think people would learn that’s not the case after years of Hamas using human shields despite Israel proving they’ll bomb a place regardless. Even if it were true by some metric, how in the fuck is the number of casualties incurred by Israel’s policy of ignoring hostages worth it? In the days since October 7th, thousands of Palestinian civilians have been killed, including many in strikes on hospitals and refugee camps determined to house Hamas personnel. The policy is fucking monstrous and evidence shows it winds up in thousands of Palestinian deaths. Don’t tell me that those stolen lives somehow prevent even more civilian deaths unless you’ve got some very strong proof that this strategy has done anything to stop Hamas from hiding behind civilians, or that the thousands of civilians massacred are worth the chance to kill a few terrorists
Edited for spelling
fucking thank you, yes, those are exactly the words i couldn’t find to express the sentiment i wish i could have stated
furthermore “you made me do this” is ABUSER RHETORIC.
as in, israel claiming that hamas “made them” slaughter civilians,
likewise, urkaine “forced” russia to invade
Who knew the Holocaust was just a preemptive strike. Hitler knew the Jews would do this to the Germans if they got power!
/S
Well if you wish to go there, there’s something to be said for how someone raised in violence can take away from their lived experience that “violence is how you raise people”, for instance how a big chunk of the baby boomer “sometimes children need to be smacked” generation did.
Sadly often, abusers turn out to have learned how to abuse people from being abused themselves; hurt people hurt people.
If someone stabbed you, though, I don’t think you’d feel mollified to learn that they themselves were victims of a stabbing themselves. The fact that they went through a trauma in the past does not give them free license to inflict that same trauma upon others.
But in light of the fact that Israel does not represent all Semitic peoples, the state of Israel has even less excuse to exhibit–practically EMBODY–the pure hypocrisy.
I would be more willing to believe this logic if they had more proof that one, Hamas was doing this in all instances that the IDF killed civilians and two that killing Hamas through human shields was working as a way to prevent this in the future. As of now it doesn’t seem to be stopping them according to IDF so I don’t think it is valid to use that logic.
It would also help if Israel’s leadership would stop comparing Palestinians to animals and stop stealing their land. It sure feels like an excuse to justify exterminating all Palestinians
So disgusting to see a correct and balanced viewpoint I agree.
what a fascinating, bizarre, blatant misspelling of “cracked, unbalanced”…
Ducking autocorrect ruining my day again! Ugh.
It’s strange, how long does it take for IDF to realize that Hamas doesn’t give a shit about civilian lives. IDF killing the human shields changes nothing for Hamas.
They sort of have, when the “human shield” is being talked about, it’s not literal kids being held up front… it’s people refrained from gunpoint from leaving the building that IDF warned they’ll shoot down soon. They give enough time to escape while monitoring the “people leaving” using drones. But not enough time is given to transfer “ammo and weapons”. Constantly monitored using drones.
Human shields are the few people that are kept there at gunpoint, and there’s no way of knowing if there are civilians in the said building. As many people are seen escaping the building.
A friend of mine who works for Battalion [redacted] told me a story the other day about an adult male (about 23) who managed to escape the building and ran towards the battalion posted close by. While he was running/escaping towards the IDF, he was being shot from the building. But he made it. I don’t know the location of the guy except he’s in Israel and chilling. But wants to stay undercover for now, hopefully the world will hear his story someday.
IDF has a lot of proof, one I heard was that some of the gazans who died in the missile strike have “embedded” bullets from “Kalashnikova”… some Gazans know about this and they are afraid to speak out.
Regardless, I have few Palestinians and Israeli friends. And all of them support Palestinians… and all the Israelis I know told me they would protest after the war to force the Israeli government to rebuild Gaza.