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I was told it was more about designing the world around not needing them and having walkable cities and/or more public access and use of busses and other public transportation.
But also I see some people are very …uh… “Cars are evil and should all be destroyed and you should walk everywhere! Stop living in the country go find a city house so you can walk everywhere!”
It’s hard to tell which one is the main point anymore.
When some movement says ‘Fuck X’ then maybe we should just give them the benefit of doubt and not immediately assume they mean ‘destroy X immediately and completely, and all those plus their kin who support bloody X’ but might be okay with ‘gradually replace X with a solution that’s proven to be less destructive and harmful’
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Emotional intelligence can also mean to not assume the worst about somebody using swear words. If I say ‘Fuck cars’ I don’t mean I want to engage in sexual intercourse with a motor vehicle. It also doesn’t mean I don’t want to ever use a car again and expect the same of you. It just means I’m not too fond of a society built on car ownership.
Hey don’t forget those who think cars are sexy and want to literally fuck them. Carsexual erasure is real.
So long as no ones judging. Sometimes you just want to wrap your lips around the hot tailpipe while the engines running and you drop your ass like you’re trying to commit a one-person mass extinction event on a dildo.
It’s my auto-erotic ass fixation.
Dragons?
It’s not literally about hating cars, but about car centric infrastructure being a problem. Which is “fuck car lobbies and the shit they caused in the search of profits go up”
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I remember them cheering on whoever was stabbing suv tires in the UK a few years ago. They were hoping for it to spread to other countries regardless of the circumstances of the vehicle owner. I don’t know if the community has cleaned up since then.
It came to Boston and they did the same thing. Quite frustrating considering how walkable and bike friendly Boston is.
Car centric infrastructure benefits nobody but car manufacturers and it’s killing communities, climate and us.
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Is it hippie shit to want a pleasant community and easy way to get around?
Car centric infrastructure benefits those with…cars. And as cars are the primary method of transportation, it make perfect sense to design our cities around this idea.
Transportation is the lifeblood of communities. Without roads and cars they literally cannot exist. If you remove roads you kill the community.
Unless you have a new method of transportation that is better than cars, keep your fantasies in your head. You want to walk go right ahead.
It doesn’t benefit those with cars as much as it forces you to get a car to benefit. Cities that don’t focus as much on car centric infrastructure are more pleasant to drive through.
You’re conflating cars with transportation in general. When I say car infrastructure, I don’t mean close every road off so nobody gets in or out. Nobody does.
Look at cities where they prioritize the pedestrian and public transport. They’re so much better to live in and get around.
You know what makes a pleasant drive? Getting where you want to go quickly, and without stops. And we accomplish that by accepting that cars are always going to exist. We must throw out the ridiculous notion that bikes aren’t pedestrians. They are not worth building out completely separate infrastructure which is the only way they are happy. They refuse to cooperate and share pedestrian infrastructure which is the obvious solution. They are selfish and pretend they are saving the world by making cars drive slower and stop more. One biker can cause more incidental pollution than if they just drove there instead and didn’t slow everyone down.
If you think the biggest obstacle when you’re driving around isn’t other cars you’re delusional. You’re the reason “just one more lane bro” memes exist
Not so much cars, but the drivers. This ‘safety first’ methodology that the DOT uses only serves to create bad drivers. Driving is inherently dangerous and we cannot design that out with roadway changes. We need to remove licenses and actually mean it. We need repeated testing for everyone, not just the elderly. If the police did anything but ticket speeders to generate revenue driving might actually get better. It only takes one asshole to ruin the flow of an entire interstate for miles. And they receive no punishment for slowing other people down who are going about lawful business.
PS. Induced demand is mostly myth. Building more lanes is how we gain more bandwidth. Even if the speed doesn’t increase the throughput will and that means more people getting where they want to be. That is how you reduce congestion.
https://www.cato.org/blog/debunking-induced-demand-myth
https://urbanist.co/busting-four-biggest-myths-induced-demand/
Cato institute, lmao
Til community didn’t exist before Ford’s invention.
We sold out our quality of life to the car companies back in the period after WW2. We could have cities like Amsterdam where everyone is biking and walking but instead large swathes of the country spend days out of their lives every month stuck in traffic for their commute.
I personally like cars but also I wish I didn’t need to drive everywhere.
Sold out our quality of life? People would be spending weeks out of their lives commuting to work and back without cars. There are no perfect solutions. Only trade-offs. And no I would rather not live in a dense city where I’m stacked on top of other people. However, if I could telecommute to work, I’d prefer that, but I know working from home isn’t for everyone either. We don’t need one size fits all solutions.
Simply isn’t true. Look up some YouTube videos of Amsterdam’s transport system. Biking and walking is faster than using a car because of the way they designed the city. And people aren’t “stacked on top of each other” any more or less than cities in the US where there is much heavier traffic.
After WW2 US wanted to increase industrial base so we invested heavily in cars. Highways everywhere and spread out suburbs.
It made sense at the time but now we see nearly 50,000 dead annually and millions stuck in traffic at any one time. We’re selling out our citizens for a little extra $$$.
There is another way. We can still have cars but cars don’t need to be the priority in terms of transportation systems. Biking to work in 5 to 10 minutes is 100x better than sitting in traffic for 45.
Those two summing it up pretty well. Furthermore, it’s the reliance of individuals’ use of cars. Public transportation tends to be praised by that community in contrast from my view, but public transportation is by no means a feasible options in parts of the United States especially outside larger cities.
I’d check out !fuckcars@lemmy.world, I usually just consume memes but they have some articles getting posted as it gains traction.
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I take a train to the city, and I bike to the station whenever I need to go into the office. The amount of disabled folk I see that could not transport themselves otherwise because a car is requisite would shock you.
The point of their community is improving public transport so it isn’t as car centric and a requirement to participate society.
I don’t see exactly how that’s “commie” to strive for a more democratic society.