state funding should match workforce demands for the state
Here’s a better idea: companies should actually train their workers. Lots of times a degree isn’t even needed at all. They’re just being cheap by not paying for a 2 week training program.
My old job at a large corporation didn’t want to pay Nortel to fly out from Dallas to host a proper two week telecommunications class to train their new support personnel. Instead they made this 65 year old “Ma Bell” tech to cobble together and teach a one and a half day crash course. I left with a notebook full of unfinished CLI commands, shorthand notes and just enough information to probably not bring down the entire enterprise PBX system. Good times.
Yeah, for entry level jobs fully agree. You cant expect every biotechnology company to pay for 6 years of education for every new employee, every school to pay for every new teachers training, every hospital, every finance company and bank.
Why not? That’s how apprentice programs work, and how they used to work back in the day. If you don’t know how to get useful work out of a trainee, that’s your own problem. Hire an assistant and train them up, maybe work them 20 hours and send them through other math/science classes at the local community college to fill in necessary, but not directly work oriented skills.
In the end you’ll have a very loyal, and well trained recruit that knows your business very well.
You are making this sound so simple. It’s freaken work. Look, I train interns and it takes a lot out of my day. Then they leave and I have to train more. And I don’t blame them for leaving, who the heck even wants to do the same thing for decades? I know I didn’t when I was their age.
It feels like your interns are leaving for more money, have you talked to your employer about boosting pay (or maybe just pay, given we are in america) for interns that are showing promise?
Yeah, this dude is acting like people’s motivations are a mystery. No one gets an internship where they don’t want to work, unless they have no other options.
Interns are not mysterious creatures completely alien to other workers. They want money and a career path. I guarantee you if being a janitor paid $300K, people would be lining up to do it.
Hey say it to me next time directly. At what point did I say that it was mysterious? It is pretty clear cut. They are young and ambitious and life hasn’t crapped on them yet. Of course they are going to jump from job to job. I did the exact same thing. Also I don’t have the fucking power to give someone with one year of engineering school a 300k salary.
Oh wait I forget because I manage people I am automatically in the wrong.
I always hate how people believe solutions are easy and clear cut. FFS im lazy- if it was easy it would have been done already and I’d be taking the reward from it.
I don’t see how you took that from what I wrote. It “feels” like you have an ax to grind.
But yes the typical intern salary is in the mid-30s which is well above market rate and I have lobbied to get them more. I mean is the concept so confusing that maybe a 19 year old doesn’t want to spend their life doing the same job and instead wants to try to work for a bunch of different sectors? The last one who left told me on the exit interview that they got a job with a certain very large Internet company and asked me what I would do in their position. I told him I would have done the same thing at his age. You don’t say no to an internship with one of those.
To me it’s simple enough. Humans don’t change. When I was young I jumped around a lot and they are doing the same. One day they will be fat middle aged with a family to support and can’t do that anymore.
I don’t know how I became the bad guy here. I get them as much pay as I can, I give them interesting projects, I truly give a fuck about their success and when they leave I wish them well. That one that just left I made sure he had my personal cell and email address so he could put me down as a reference. And yeah he was screwing me over a bit. Spent all this time training him and leaves in the middle of a project. But that wasn’t personal so I didn’t take it personally.
At Texas A&M the major chicken companies offer full ride scholarships for people to study poultry science. Industries can afford to pay for schooling, but they say they can’t and make the same arguments you, the non-owner of a large company, have accepted as correct.
If you are saying, “it would be exceedingly difficult and costly to shift the education burden in most jobs,” I’d agree with you. But the other poster is correct - the apprentice model of school and training already exists, and Tyson has shown at least that industry will pay for higher education when demand exceeds supply.
Here’s a better idea: companies should actually train their workers. Lots of times a degree isn’t even needed at all. They’re just being cheap by not paying for a 2 week training program.
My old job at a large corporation didn’t want to pay Nortel to fly out from Dallas to host a proper two week telecommunications class to train their new support personnel. Instead they made this 65 year old “Ma Bell” tech to cobble together and teach a one and a half day crash course. I left with a notebook full of unfinished CLI commands, shorthand notes and just enough information to probably not bring down the entire enterprise PBX system. Good times.
Yeah, for entry level jobs fully agree. You cant expect every biotechnology company to pay for 6 years of education for every new employee, every school to pay for every new teachers training, every hospital, every finance company and bank.
That’s how PhD programs work in certain parts of Europe.
They’re funded by a company for a specific project and end up training an employee in that area.
It’s actually quite effective (both cost and otherwise).
Mine actually was partly funded that way, and I ended up being a major player in the area because there was no one else.
Why not? That’s how apprentice programs work, and how they used to work back in the day. If you don’t know how to get useful work out of a trainee, that’s your own problem. Hire an assistant and train them up, maybe work them 20 hours and send them through other math/science classes at the local community college to fill in necessary, but not directly work oriented skills.
In the end you’ll have a very loyal, and well trained recruit that knows your business very well.
You are making this sound so simple. It’s freaken work. Look, I train interns and it takes a lot out of my day. Then they leave and I have to train more. And I don’t blame them for leaving, who the heck even wants to do the same thing for decades? I know I didn’t when I was their age.
It feels like your interns are leaving for more money, have you talked to your employer about boosting pay (or maybe just pay, given we are in america) for interns that are showing promise?
Yeah, this dude is acting like people’s motivations are a mystery. No one gets an internship where they don’t want to work, unless they have no other options.
Interns are not mysterious creatures completely alien to other workers. They want money and a career path. I guarantee you if being a janitor paid $300K, people would be lining up to do it.
Hey say it to me next time directly. At what point did I say that it was mysterious? It is pretty clear cut. They are young and ambitious and life hasn’t crapped on them yet. Of course they are going to jump from job to job. I did the exact same thing. Also I don’t have the fucking power to give someone with one year of engineering school a 300k salary.
Oh wait I forget because I manage people I am automatically in the wrong.
Directly:
MONEY
How’s that?
Sorry I should have said directly and smart.
Also employer here.
I always hate how people believe solutions are easy and clear cut. FFS im lazy- if it was easy it would have been done already and I’d be taking the reward from it.
It’s fine. Everyone knows that we are idiots. Can’t scratch my ass without 4 peices of paperwork and 8 people giving me advice on how to do it.
I don’t see how you took that from what I wrote. It “feels” like you have an ax to grind.
But yes the typical intern salary is in the mid-30s which is well above market rate and I have lobbied to get them more. I mean is the concept so confusing that maybe a 19 year old doesn’t want to spend their life doing the same job and instead wants to try to work for a bunch of different sectors? The last one who left told me on the exit interview that they got a job with a certain very large Internet company and asked me what I would do in their position. I told him I would have done the same thing at his age. You don’t say no to an internship with one of those.
To me it’s simple enough. Humans don’t change. When I was young I jumped around a lot and they are doing the same. One day they will be fat middle aged with a family to support and can’t do that anymore.
I don’t know how I became the bad guy here. I get them as much pay as I can, I give them interesting projects, I truly give a fuck about their success and when they leave I wish them well. That one that just left I made sure he had my personal cell and email address so he could put me down as a reference. And yeah he was screwing me over a bit. Spent all this time training him and leaves in the middle of a project. But that wasn’t personal so I didn’t take it personally.
At Texas A&M the major chicken companies offer full ride scholarships for people to study poultry science. Industries can afford to pay for schooling, but they say they can’t and make the same arguments you, the non-owner of a large company, have accepted as correct.
If you are saying, “it would be exceedingly difficult and costly to shift the education burden in most jobs,” I’d agree with you. But the other poster is correct - the apprentice model of school and training already exists, and Tyson has shown at least that industry will pay for higher education when demand exceeds supply.