I don’t like to see so many political posts in all and so many weird images in comment sections

  • falkerie71@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    233·
    10 months ago

    What in the world have I woken up into…

    As an Asian/Taiwanese, I do not understand why Hexbearians feel the need to point out what’s racist for us.
    The picture of Xi the Pooh is clearly a parody and pointed specifically at Xi and the CCP, and not a general racist insult to Asians. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, in East Asia knows that, including the Chinese themselves. We use/refer to it a lot ourselves on our own social media platforms in Taiwan (習維尼, 習: Xi, and Winnie the Pooh: 維尼), and if you mention any of it on Chinese social media Weibo/WeChat, you likely will get banned from the platform.

    Kind of reminds me of cultural appropriation gone out of hand, where Westerners feel the need to be angry at other Westerners for wearing Japanese Kimonos or Chinese Quipaos. Like, no one here is offended. We don’t understand why those people feel the need to be angry for us.

    Edit: I just saw a Hexbear comment on another thread posting that China doesn’t ban Winnie the Pooh because Disney is able to exist. Well, no shit. It’s in the context of Disney. Put that phrase in any other thread on their platform (preferably political) and see what happens, then can you claim that the CCP doesn’t ban the word Xi the Pooh.

  • Julian@lemm.eeEnglish
    193·
    10 months ago

    Hexbear: why do so many people want to degenerate with us

    Also hexbear: Spams every complaint in other instances with unrelated images

    • yata@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      79·
      10 months ago

      They are so eager to prove themselves the assholes that people accuse them of being, and then they whine and cry about instances defederating from them.

      • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        75·
        10 months ago

        I’m pretty sure the whole thing is a false flag/astroturf to discredit sincere leftist discourse. It seems a lot like a blend of bad leftist parody, and edgy 14-year-olds who fell for it

        • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          32·
          10 months ago

          Sounds like r/chapotraphouse in a nutshell.

          Also, I think TheDude was underselling why they were originally banned on Reddit. They were the left-wing version of r/TheDonald. The reason he listed was just the excuse Reddit used to justify kicking them off the platform

                • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  12·
                  10 months ago

                  r/The_Donald was known for being a toxic cesspool that often went out to harass other subs. r/chapotraphouse did the same thing, they were just on the other side of the political spectrum. The rest of Reddit hated both because they were full of toxic brigading assholes, and if you can’t understand that then you’re beyond hope

          • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            26·
            10 months ago

            I’m a leftist (not a liberal, actually leftist). It’s not a difference in opinion, it’s a presentation so outrageously bad it can’t be in good faith. It’s a middle-school mockery of communists, it just makes us look ridiculous to the people we should be engaging with sincerely.

          • Pandemanium@lemm.eeEnglish
            15·
            10 months ago

            Why is it hard to believe or understand that this, right here and now on lemmy, really is most westerners’ first time interacting with actual communists? A lot of us dems are pretty open minded and a lot of us want the US to move toward socialism. But most of our exposure to communism has just been “communism bad.” So of course we don’t understand the fuller spectrum of leftism, because our fascist conservative party has forced everything so far to the right, and our education system is abysmal.

            Then we come here and see a bunch of “stupid libs” memes, which from the outside we can’t understand because we identify as liberals (leftists). You folks give off the same vibe of how our fascist conservatives treat us (own the libs, kill a dem to save America, etc), and I think thats why people assume or equate you with Nazis. We’ve never met real communists, and a lot of stuff on the internet is fake. It’s entirely understandable.

          • Croquette@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            9·
            10 months ago

            This is the most “American that doesn’t understand the liberal is only considered left in the US” comment I have ever seen

        • MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          25·
          10 months ago

          This exactly. I swear the entire point is to discredit and divide. The FBI couldn’t do a better job if they tried. What I’ve been finding really interesting is the stress they put on being “anti-racist, anti-homophobic, anti-transphobic, anti-fascist, etc”. If you were really those things you would most definitely not need to shoehorn that into EVERY SINGLE COMMENT. “hey it’s a nice day outside, I’m anti-racist anti homophobic anti trans anti fascist btw” Mind you on reddit when chapotraphouse was popular there were a lot of them talking about how they HATE identity politics and basically dismissing anything to do with race. So the pronouns in the names, the constant non sequitors about how they’re actually “more anti-racist and anti-homophobic” than you, etc. It feels like it might just be really deep irony and they’re just memeing it.

          • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksMEnglish
            16·
            10 months ago

            I mistakenly assumed that they would be more similar to chapotraphouse, but now I see that the 3 year exile has stripped away many of the reasonable people. I still hope some of these users will snap out of it and realize they are acting obnoxiously and unproductively, but the chances of that happening seem slim at this point.

            CTH was aggressively leftist but it was actually funny and self aware. Hexbear seems to have forgotten how to interact with ordinary people.

            • MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              18·
              10 months ago

              I mean, I like aggressively leftist and most of lemmy that I’ve experienced feels that way. This hexbear shit feels like anti-leftist agitation though. It fucking stinks of feds. If not at the beginning, they’re certainly there now

              • Annakah69 [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
                3·
                10 months ago

                You think feds want you to support socialist countries and point out their achievements?You’re delusional.

                Say hi to your FBI handler for me.

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            5·
            10 months ago

            and basically dismissing anything to do with race.

            Show me

            Anyway, the rest of your post is basically a deranged imagining trying to cope with leftists whose attitudes are different than you are accustomed to.

          • PersnickityPenguin@lemm.eeEnglish
            4·
            10 months ago

            I don’t know, I’ve actually met people in real life who were sort of like that. It was really toned down compared to what you would read online but it was still there.

          • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            18·
            10 months ago

            I think they’re bots because I nearly exactly agree with them politically. They’re almost exactly my beliefs, but with the most annoying, self-righteous, groupthink presentation possible. That’s why I think they’re a false flag smear campaign to discredit actual leftists.

              • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                21·
                10 months ago

                See? This is exactly what I’m talking about. “Anyone who doesn’t believe exactly the same as me for exactly the same reasons with exactly the same presentation as me is a transphobic boot-licking liberal!”

                You’ve had no political discourse with me by which to evaluate my political beliefs, but disagreeing with hexbear specifically is enough for you to assume I’m not a “real” communist. You see how this just proves my point, right?

                I thought thinking people who disagree with you politically weren’t real communists wasn’t a healthy mindset to have?

              • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                8·
                10 months ago

                Hey look, another hexbear making baseless and incorrect assumptions about my political inclinations, even further proving my point! Keep your corporate shill false flag disinfo to yourself, please and thank you.

            • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
              1·
              10 months ago

              Consider the self-flattery of assuming a community that existed in isolation for three years just to eventually make you look bad when they became federated again.

              Maybe there is a real disagreement instead?

              • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                12·
                10 months ago

                Then how come the interactions have been predominantly self-righteous name-calling? My issue isn’t with the political ideals, it’s with the presumptuous antagonism.

        • 1nt3rd1m3nt10n4l [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          9·
          10 months ago

          No. I had an account when the instance was first set up, but I got banned for getting into an argument with a power-user. I wouldn’t say it’s always been like this, but this is definitely what it’s like normally.

          We mutated out of a band of subreddit refugees from r/ChapoTrapHouse, but I feel like the current community doesn’t fully live up to what it used to be.

          • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            14·
            10 months ago

            I think it was, by its nature, susceptible to compromise as described above, which has been capitalized upon. Whatever it was, or pretends to be, has pretty clearly been manipulated into a deliberately obnoxious parody that, functionally, obstructs left unity and overwhelmingly benefits neolibs.

              • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                14·
                10 months ago

                “People” can engage in civil discourse to discuss those beliefs. That’s not what I’m seeing, what I’m seeing is immediate strawmanning, insults, and overall cartoonish disrespect. That’s not someone with a different belief, that’s someone presenting the most obnoxious possible parody of someone with that belief.

                What’s funny is those beliefs aren’t even that different, I’m pretty far left. This is just hivemind soundbite nonsense.

        • liquidparasyte@pawb.socialEnglish
          7·
          10 months ago

          Oh, I literally just had a comment on my thoughts on it. Here is it pasted, since I don’t want direct linking to it. TLDR it’s probably majority those 14 year olds, not a false flag.

          I don’t think they are pretending to be those things. They truly believe themselves and their interpretation of Marxism, Marxism-Leninism, communism and socialist projects to be true and just.

          The only issue is that they come from a specific strain of western leftist that got into the “uwu dank Soviet club” meme of the mid-10s and never evolved past that understanding of the people, projects, policies and states they stan like a fandom. They could take some lessons from the anarchists tbqh, but they’d rather post PPB and “liberals get the wall”. Very annoying.

      • iie [they/them, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        5·
        10 months ago

        hexbears are abrasive because we expect most liberals to be venomous and dismissive toward us and not listen to anything we say, even if we operate in good faith. so instead of wasting a lot of energy on a response that will be thrown back at us like dogshit, we’re flippant and cursory. for my part, I actually still respond in good faith most of the time, but I pick my battles.

        • MrMonkey@lemm.eeEnglish
          5·
          10 months ago

          go the fuck back to hexbear. Your instance sucks so hard you went and created another account on another instance to get around defederation. Fuck you.

    • Furball@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      74·
      10 months ago

      We will convince them to like us by spamming emojis knowing that they will take up the screens of our opponents! That’ll show ‘em

    • yukichigai@kbin.social
      40·
      10 months ago

      Don’t forget the 5-10% of them who aggressively insult OP and anyone else commenting in the thread.

    • brain_in_a_box [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      16·
      10 months ago

      Hexbear: why do so many people want to removed with us

      Where did you get this idea from? We know damn well why: you’re a bunch of coddled libs who are used to the reddit admins protecting you from seeing any views outside the USA overton windows, and you’re now freaking out at seeing real difference of opinion.

      • Julian@lemm.eeEnglish
        16·
        10 months ago

        I’m well aware how fucked up the US is. It created al-qaeda. Hell, this is some crazy secret knowledge you can’t learn anywhere, it’s on Wikipedia.

        Also a hot take, I don’t like the war in Ukraine. I don’t think it should be happening and I wish it would end because I think war fucking sucks.

        Believe it or not, the world is a complex place filled with a lot of countries that do lots of things, both good and bad, and it’s not cool or edgy to just say the US is bad and [insert other country here] is good. Hell, you realize one of the most influential forces in the Chinese government (and a huge influence in the west) is Tencent, a massive profit-focused cooperation. That ain’t communist.

    • lutillian@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      3·
      10 months ago

      So, the primary reason that happens, and the primary reason I’d vote defederation on them every time, is because their instance has down votes disabled for some forsaken reason. It’s not 100% the users fault, it’s because a comment is the only mode of response they have available for something they don’t agree with. So a negative image macro is their downvote. Due to this, they end up flooding other instances threads and only see a bunch of people who agree with the op of a thread or a post, which of course makes them feel like they need to show their displeasure way what’s been posted. Meanwhile we can see the 500 to 9.2k ratio on the racist hot take.

      The way our instances are run is just fundamentally incompatible.

  • Zirconium@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    120·
    10 months ago

    Don’t listen to hexbear users when they say they “defend themselves” from homophobia and transphobia. One user thought the admin of Blahaj.zone was being transphobic for not allowing politics in every community. Hexbear users will literally just lie about the repamant amount of homophobia and transphobia to justify their existence here.

  • ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.worldEnglish
    105·
    10 months ago

    I actually just abandoned this instance purely because of hexbears sudden federation here.

    They’re just a bunch of assholes masquerading as sensible leftists.

    I was really sad to leave but I refuse to deal with them.

  • BlemboTheThird@lemmy.caEnglish
    96·
    10 months ago

    I made a post like this on my old instance’s main community and it got flooded by 400+ hexbear comments telling me how stupid I am. No, the only real solution is to make a new account on an instance that’s defederated. Good luck.

    • Furball@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      27·
      10 months ago

      What instances would you recommend? I don’t really want to leave mine since I’ve been on it for awhile but if it gets too annoying I might want to

      • Zirconium@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        37·
        10 months ago

        Blahaj.zone is defederated (hexbear did it first surprisingly). It’s a very LGBTQ+ oriented place so I’m not sure it’s your cup of tea

          • PatFusty@lemm.eeEnglish
            6·
            10 months ago

            I find that interesting because i am banned from blahaj for being a conservative but hexbears swear im a white liberal. I would have thought hexbears and blahaj would get along nicely

            • gooey@lemm.eeEnglish
              9·
              10 months ago

              When they call you a liberal, they’re referring to the classical meaning of the term rather than the newer definitions.

                • PatFusty@lemm.eeEnglish
                  2·
                  10 months ago

                  I only started trolling because of their relentless abuse. I learned they dont know how to respond if you act stupid and I found that funny

              • PatFusty@lemm.eeEnglish
                1·
                10 months ago

                They are saying I advocate free market and laissez-faire economics, civil liberties under the rule of law, with special emphasis on individual autonomy, limited government, economic freedom, political freedom and freedom of speech. Is that right? As opposed to what

                • carbon_based@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  2·
                  10 months ago

                  I think commenter above means, as opposed to the US-american re-definition of liberal = “Democrat”, somehow. Since the Trump party is absolutist leaning, this makes sense fr them … somehow.

              • PatFusty@lemm.eeEnglish
                2·
                10 months ago

                Sorry you are right. I only associate 196 with blahaj so me being banned there makes me not have any reason to be at blahaj. I was one of the lucky few that was given a 2 year ban. The reason was “stirring up trouble tankie style”

      • BlemboTheThird@lemmy.caEnglish
        12·
        10 months ago

        I like lemmy.ca pretty well. I’ve just recently learned that lemmy.world is defederated, but they’re already one of the biggest instances. All I did was browse https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list, sorted by usage and skipped the top few entries, and checked each instance to see if they’d defederated. I tried to go smaller than lemmy.ca but I got bored lol

  • ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    84·
    10 months ago

    I don’t understand why blocking (or “defederating”) instances is such a core part of the design of lemmy but not actually supported on a per-user basis.

    • pjhenry1216@kbin.social
      13·
      10 months ago

      Defederating is core to the fediverse. Lemmy just uses a shared protocol to exchange content. And as others have said, Kbin has instancr blocking, community/magazine blocking, and user blocking. You could just create an account on a Kbin instance if it’s important enough. You still get to see the same things.

      • cacheson@kbin.social
        10·
        10 months ago

        Kbin has instance blocking, community/magazine blocking, and user blocking.

        Kbin doesn’t have instance blocking yet, just domain blocking, which is for hiding posts that link to a particular domain. Domain blocking is also bugged right now, and will just hide random stuff from you.

        • pjhenry1216@kbin.social
          2·
          10 months ago

          I mean, if you want to get technical, none of them have any blocking really. Blocking on any fediverse is generally just the equivalent of muting/hiding.

          Wasn’t aware of the bug though (as I haven’t tried the feature yet, but probably wouldn’t have a way to notice anyway).

    • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
      7·
      10 months ago

      It will be a much smaller thing once user based instance blocking is available

  • RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    62·
    10 months ago

    Yeah I think it’s about time to get that feature. As a user I have preferences that don’t necessarily match with the defederation policies of any instance and I would very much like to choose for myself which instances I want to see.

    In my case: I’m not interested in polarising, divisive, toxic content and I really don’t care if it’s coming from the left or from the right. But it seems to me that I have to choose a side, because some instances are blocking the right wing extremism and some blocking the stuff to the left, but not both.

    Reading subscribed communities only is not an option, because then I will miss out on new stuff. And blocking all these awful communities in “all” by hand is too much work.

    tl;dr not being able to block instances as a user is giving me a bad Lemmy experience

        • Furball@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
          12·
          10 months ago

          I understand that people see posts from other instances, I don’t understand why people click on posts from other instance’s support pages. Why not scroll past

          • booty [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            34·
            10 months ago

            1. The name of our instance is literally in this post’s title what do you expect

            2. This comm is called “main” and the sidebar says it is the “Home of the sh.itjust.works instance.” How is anyone supposed to know this is a “support” comm?

            • Furball@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
              11·
              10 months ago

              Well that’s normally what the “main” community for any instance would be, announcements and support posts. But I understand if that isn’t really clear

              • pjhenry1216@kbin.social
                4·
                10 months ago

                Not to pick sides, but I’ve literally never heard that before. I’ve always seen Main used the same as a General channel. That being said, if it’s truly important, just create an account on Kbin for awhile until Lemmy has the same blocking capabilities.

              • comfortable_doug [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                17·
                10 months ago

                That’s all fine and good. There are likely dozens of well mannered users on both sides of the federation fence. It’s just the few arseholes also on both sides making it hell for everyone. I don’t see why we can’t just sub to the coms we like and be done with it. But lemmy keeps showing the weirdest shit and the knee-jerk reaction is to comment on it.

                • Kecessa@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  13·
                  10 months ago

                  Funny how we didn’t have any asshole issues since we defederated from EH and we suddenly have an asshole issue now that your instance whitelisted us…

            • Kecessa@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              10·
              10 months ago

              Well, you can see this conversation is in a community that has nothing to do with your instance and clearly with the question being asked your reaction should be “Oh, I shouldn’t bother them if that’s how they feel.” but you just can’t resist the temptation to stir some more shit and you don’t even realize that you’re just proving OP right.

  • icepuncher69@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    58·
    10 months ago

    Theres no way yet, suposedly the devs are planing to give that option in the future.

    Right now im just not loging into lemmy as much as before, the ambience became way more toxic than the first 2 or 3 months i started using it, and i believe its beacause of hexbearians. Lots of bad takes (pariculary genocide apologism) have been thriving on lemmy since they refederated, whuch was ussually trashed before, so i say they are behind that. And when they have more sane takes, they screw them up by telling you to go read Mao, seriously, Mr “Best politics are the ones that come from a barrel of gun” Mao. He was a fucking thug not a great mind of comunism.

    I even re-made an account on reddit ffs, and reddit fucking sucks because my comments get ignored into oblivion no mather where i comment, and its not shadowbaning i think.

    So my recomendation is try going somewhere else while the option of blocking instances becomes availabe or touch some grass, although grass sucks since it doesnt fight back when asked about politics and it becomes really old very quickly.

  • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]@hexbear.netEnglish
    58·
    10 months ago

    I love the idea of ditching Reddit, a site owned by a for-profit corporation and run by unaccountable admins, for a decentralized alternative where people have more choice and power over their own content…

    …but why do people have to make it so political?

  • Landrin201@lemmy.mlEnglish
    51·
    10 months ago

    Reddit refugees on lemmy: it’s nice to be on a site that doesn’t have lots of power hungry mods arbitrarily banning people

    Also reddit refugees on lemmy: BAN ALL THE INSTANCES THAT I DONT AGREE WITH POLITICALLY

    • JaymesRS@midwest.socialEnglish
      84·
      10 months ago

      People don’t want to block hexbear because they disagree with them, they want to block that instance because they often act like they’ve got the social skills of a neglected 5-year-old on meth. Further, because that’s who they’ve surrounded themselves with they have convinced themselves it’s normal or even appreciated.

      • brain_in_a_box [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        12·
        10 months ago

        Oh please, hexbear users are no ruder than any other instance to people they disagree with, it’s just that you reddit refugees are used to being able to be as toxic as you like to communists without pushback, and now that you’re on a level footing you can’t take it.

        • Quacksalber@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          8·
          10 months ago

          “Hexbears aren’t rude!”
          You literally just posted your weirdly fetishized pooping pig two times in a row before this comment.

          But I guess the cognitive dissonance comes with being a china apologist.

            • Quacksalber@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              8·
              10 months ago

              To ease your easily startled mind, even if I consider the toxicity of users from other instances, your spam easily tops that.

              • brain_in_a_box [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                5·
                10 months ago

                That’s because you’re not on the receiving end of toxicity and spam from other instances, because you don’t disagree with their politics. That and because Hexbear is a big instance compared to most.

        • JaymesRS@midwest.socialEnglish
          5·
          10 months ago

          In Japan, there’s a competition known as the Kezuroukai Planing Competition. It’s a challenge for experienced woodworkers to see who can plane the thinnest contiguous piece of wood using a type of hand plane known as a kanna. The thinnest piece I last heard of was around 3 microns.

          I only mentioned this because it sounds like your skin might beat the record if people calling out the bad behavior of others on your instance immediately gets you this riled up.

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            2·
            10 months ago

            I’m talking about what is true or false, not what is right or wrong.

            Also, calling someone a troll or an idiot vs calling them a fascist are two extremely different things and I very intentionally meant the latter

            • JaymesRS@midwest.socialEnglish
              4·
              10 months ago

              Oh, like when hexbears call for deaths of property owners or “libs”, is that one of those different things too?

              • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                2·
                10 months ago

                Not property owners, property hoarders. Owning a home is fine, owning many homes to exploit the monopolistic nature of renting housing is antisocial behavior and must be stopped. If someone decides that their right to exploit those poorer than them is worth defending with their life, they made their choice.

                If you can’t tell the difference between that and believing in antisemitic conspiracy theories and racial mythology, I am afraid the help you need is far beyond my capabilities.

                • JaymesRS@midwest.socialEnglish
                  3·
                  10 months ago

                  You’re all over the place It’s like you heard the pigeon chess analogy and thought the pigeon was the hero of the story.