• edge [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    voters, extremely shy from Hillary’s loss, were afraid that [Kamala] was too Black

    Yes because if Hillary’s loss indicated anything it’s that a black person can’t win. This is definitely a coherent analysis.

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    it’s wild to me that anyone tries to argue that normal people vote based on how they think a candidate will “appeal to the middle of the country”. have these people ever talked to a human in real life that they weren’t paying?

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    If in the sequel their interests turn out to be uninteresting and their power turns out to be impotence, either this is the fault of dangerous sophists, who split the indivisible people into different hostile camps, or the army was too brutalized and deluded to understand that the pure goals of democracy were best for it too, or a mistake in one detail of implementation has wrecked the whole plan, or indeed an unforeseen accident has frustrated the game this time. In each case the democrat emerges as spotless from the most shameful defeat as he was innocent when he went into it, fresh in his conviction that he must inevitably be victorious, taking the view that conditions must ripen to meet his requirements, rather than that he and his party must abandon their old standpoint.

    From Marx’s 18 Brumaire: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1852/18th-brumaire/ch03.htm

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    The reality is that nobody knew who the hell she was. Only knew a few older people who liked her during the primaries and that’s because they have all the time in the world to watch CNN 24/7 and get familiar with the candidates.

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    They’re really telling on themselves with stuff like this. They really have no understanding of politics or politicians. To them, she’s just a token who ticks a bunch of boxes, they can’t imagine anyone would dislike her based on policy.

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    Hillary lost because she was too white and too much of a servant of the patriarchal bourgeois order for anyone to want to turn out for her. Kamala may have the same problem, though liberals seem to be pushing the “Kamala super progressive” lie.

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    Is this even wrong? I think if Kamala had been a white guy, she would’ve done a lot better and the Democrats might very well have rallied behind her instead of Biden. Yeah, she sucks ass, but she’s not particularly worse than any of the other Dems. The only reason she’s the candidate now is because she happened to be VP while Biden basically died during a live debate.

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    Nah it’s cause she’s center right like Biden. Still gonna vote for her over the Cheeto fascists but this is not the reason.

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      My theory: I think framing like this is an attempt to create infighting on the left. I remember her doing poorly because she’s center right and wasn’t the most well known center right dem in the 2020 race. Notably Biden had similar positions and was much more widely known.

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        Nobody is doing that friend. It’s just pointing out how democrats are reheating 2020 idpol arguments rather than dealing with the actual reason she got 1 percent in those primaries

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        No, racism isn’t over, I get that. But I also don’t think Obama is a onetime novelty. I think he offered enough, well at least the illusion of enough, material benefit to sway voters. The biggest problem Kamala had in 2020, and even now, was that she really didn’t have anything to offer voters to set her apart from the field.

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          Her lack of charisma is very apparent. Libs just won’t admit she is unlikable because they are scared the truth will hurt her chances.

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          Racism isn’t over but democrats officially announced it is over, so the claim from the same people that Kamala was “too black” after 8 years of black president they all loved sound at least very weird.