And we shouldn’t allow this concept to go unchallenged here on Lemmy.
Commenting on an active post is not brigading
Posting a link to something is not brigading
Commenting on something you were linked to is not brigading
The only thing that might be brigading, but isn’t because it isn’t a real thing, is someone explicitly going, “Hey everyone, go here and harass this person”
It’s all fine and good that we have some new rules to keep the peace with other instances but we must fight against 
In retrospect, it’s funny how the liberals on lemmy.ml were haughtily saying “This may have been a tankie space once, but we will overwhelm them eventually and make it clear that they aren’t welcome here” and then Hexbear comes in and they shit themselves.
they thought the reddit wave would be bigger but it turns out redditors like feeling smug more than actually leaving the corporate walled garden. so they aren’t thaaat big and a good % of those who did come here are at least vaguely leftist. That plus hexbear=no more unchallenged “ebil seeseepee” type circlejerks
we have literally spent hours talking about thought terminating cliches, ready to fight them
Wait till the realization sinks in that this is just the normal, organic amount of engagement they get from us because we’re by far the most active lemmy instance
Never Log Off Gang
I do not log off, I make my enemies log off -The guy from Struggle Session idk it’s been years since I listened
People have been saying for years “soon, they will stop soon”
And I just say See you in 3 more years, let us know what you think
As with all internet spaces, eventually Hexbear will grow old and die. And hopefully like a half a dozen even worse communities will grow from the corpse.
It’s extremely weird. Like I’m just commenting on what appears on my all page, how is that brigading? It’s literally a feature of the website.
Counterpoint: I’m a huge baby.
Didn’t think of that one, did ya, pinko!?
Liberals are used to games with rigged rules (“”“International Rules Based Order”""🙄) and when the playing field is level it feels to them like everyone else is suddenly cheating
That’s how the most of the internet works. The site admins of whatever community impose hegemonic rules about acceptable discourse and then purge everything outside that. It’s how we work, it’s just that we got rid of all the bigots and shitheads. In a normal community a landlord runs the instance, bans everyone who wants to shoot landlords, and tolerates bigots as long as they don’t literally say the N word too many times in a row. Here the hegemony is flipped on it’s head - Any kind of bigotry gets you banned fast, and you can actually name names when talking about why society sucks without having to pretend this isn’t a knife fight to the death.
Literally every dog pile I have seen has been some nerd talking shit, a chapo or 2 posting in good faith, the nerd says something extra stupid… nerd gets dog piled.
you see, when I call you a Chinese bot, or fake Russian names I’m being a very reasonable discussion partner
when you call me out for being a weird racist it’s brigading, trolling, 4chan, and the type of behavior that needs to be defederated from
Death to Russia = non-political
Death to NATO = I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS TYPE OF COMMENT
also weird that one is a country full of people and the other is an aggressive military alliance, If one died a whole lot of normal people would die, plus some war criminals
if Nato died it’d just be dead war criminals
dead war criminals
Ahem, I believe you mean “People of NATO”
“And Dude, war criminals is not the preferred nomenclature. NATO Americans, please.”
Usually its 2-3 chapos calling someone a dipshit lib for posting a bad take, and then someone comes along with an nice effortpost an hour or so later.
Like, i approve of it, people get too used to not being called a dipshit. But newgangs first posters on the scene usually come in hot.
I AM BRIGADING YOU RIGHT NOW BUCKO. I AM THE ONE MAN BRIGADE
STAHP MODS PLS
It seems to me that instance has a very evident and festering
problem, which is incredibly strange for what is supposed to be a pro-trans instance.They’re being tone policed down to
levels, but they’re still spreading the same hateful talking points that prevents the free expression that the admin team supposedly desires.This is my first time seeing it first hand but it’s so obvious and transparent that their liberal well intentioned inclusiveness has already backfired horrifically. When hexbear users confront these tone-adjusted fascists and question their hateful anti-left stance (something the mods and admin team should be doing but lack the spine) they cry and demand defed because their views absolutely can not stand up to any sort of serious analysis.
I will say I would not have seen this without federation. It genuinely makes me appreciate the amazing community thats been cultivated here because it’s not easy to challenge, and remove, a polite abuser standing next to you.
If anyone is communicating with their admin team, I think they should be told to wake up because it will only get worse before their community is co-opted and they’re the ones being “tolerated.” I am being constantly reminded of this https://youtu.be/P55t6eryY3g?t=677
The fact that calling it out plays in to the fascists hands is pretty depressing too.
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Just to clarify what I meant, I personally don’t mind remaining federated but I’m still new here. I think fascists should absolutely be challenged, argued with, and shut down, but it’s not even something I’m totally comfortable with doing myself yet.
I’m condescending because it’s hard to express, but I feel sad for them because I can’t tell if their admin team has been bullied in to submission by that one community or something else. It’s condescending of me because their instance has a ton of history and I can’t possibly comprehend it in the couple of days we’ve been federated. I think all the admin posts I’ve read have been fairly reasonable but are coming from a passive and overly tolerant lib mindset. I still remember being there (still am really) and it’s a horrible feeling.
Anyways, thanks for everything you all do!
I think fascists should absolutely be
challenged, argued with, andshut downThe only option, imo. If we’re talking about arguing in good faith, it’s no use with fascists. Bad faith is their whole point.
I agree, but if we’re on other instances I only mean to correct their bigotry and false statements so others see that they’re wrong.
Ideally they’d be banned already and there’s nothing to respond to.
I wanted to reiterate what Melonius said about appreciating the hard work you and the other mods do. You’ve made this such an amazing space and seeing the broader fediverse really brought it home.
Can I ask what it means for us to have us defeded and block vs allow them?
I thought if either party blocked the other it was the same as both blocking one another?
Reddit, the site that’s designed to have as many eyes as possible look at as wide a variety of posts as possible to bring about engagement has rules against the wrong people engaging.
Rule #1: do not be a communist
Pretty much. And don’t upvote the wrong things. And definitely don’t fuck up their idea of how the algo should work because you post too much.
Collective action is invalid, everyone must act as individual monads.
As someone who is just a monoid in the category of endofunctors, what’s the problem?
This post sounds an awful lot like brigading to me!
Damn you seeing all these hexbear brigading hexbear? I think hexbear should defed from hexbear for hexbears sake.
Everyone knows that any form of dissent is actually brigading, and the more dissent there is, the more you’re being brigaded.
The brigading claims get extremely annoying when it’s made by someone who just posted something extremely wrong and is now getting corrected by a bunch of people with more knowledge of the facts.
Just post a screenshot of the thread on top of your active feed next time someone accuses us of brigading
As usual, liberals just use different words when they like some vs. when they don’t. When they don’t like it? Brigading! When they do? Just raising concerns, I hate those red fash tankies.
PS they are envious of our knack for a self-organized united front.
Their culture is so snarky and anti-collaboration, they get pissy with each other nearly as much as they do with us, and they don’t engage any differently in either case. I really do feel bad for these people who are trapped in the atomized, all against all social paradigm of the new internet.
So much of the ‘brigading’ is just comrades pointing out and challenging racism or bigotry and agreeing that a reactionary is racist or bigoted. I think its this kind of collaboration that comes off as so offensive to them sometimes; it’s not something that any of us have to argue about, so it might always come off as co-ordinated to those who are used to saying whatever tf they like without consequence. Must be strange to be challenged when it’s acceptable to be a a conservative or a ‘progressive’ and a POS throughout most of the western world.
What would it be like living in a world where anyone who dared to voice bigotry or misogyny or transphobia was immediately dogpiled by everyone around them? Like someone makes a bigoted comment in the grocery store and everyone around starts yelling at them and calling over the rest of the grocery to yell at them? Sure, witchhunts, whatever but god it would be nice living a world where if you encountered a bigot or a fascist or a cop everyone would pile in to help you without having to be asked or having to think about it.
i just want to be able to call the gender stasi when some transphobe starts shit 😔
they get pissy with each other nearly as much as they do with us, and they don’t engage any differently in either case
I’m still new to Hexbear and this has been the biggest striking difference for me coming from liberal spaces. I’ve seen multiple arguments on hexbear, and honestly, I had a hard time at first seeing that they were civil disagreements and not just jokes.
Edit: I think maybe because in the liberal spaces, to open up like that in good faith is just an invitation to get shit on for going outside the norm. Whereas here you’ll get engaged with in good faith and it’s just a much more positive experience that actually allows for civil disagreement.
Goofy emojis help, as does the anti-debatelord
cultureI really like not having a downvote button. Keeps the cowards from downvoting and feeling like that did something. Debate your opinion nerds, don’t hide.
To indulge in irresponsible criticism in private instead of actively putting forward one’s suggestions to the organization. To say nothing to people to their faces but to gossip behind their backs, or to say nothing at a meeting but to gossip afterwards. To show no regard at all for the principles of collective life but to follow one’s own inclination. This is a second type.
This piece is like the opposite of that CIA (OSS?) manual on wrecking
we do have the downvote emoji
but it’s a comment instead of an actual downvote, meaning you’re making your disagreement publicly instead of anonymously and opening the floor to further discussion.
Long ago in the Second Age when I was posting with Elf kings and Dwarf lords and all that shit from 20+ years ago I always preferred to actually post rather than do something like block a person. I never used chat filter, never blocked a person (unless they were spamming in a video game). I liked it that way. I really appreciated that we got rid of the downvotes here. I tend to like upvotes because it feels like a nice way of saying “heard and acknowledged” to a post but I also like to actually reply with a “nice post!” or “that’s funny!” because it feels so much more sincere and engaged.
What I’m trying to say is I genuinely appreciate the ‘culture’ we have fostered here. It’s a nice place. If anybody calls us a bunch of meanies I’d say just look at the mutual aid comm or the way the mods politely remind people to tone it down if things start to get genuinely heated or how we are anti-sectarian.
I kind of wish there was like a “Thumbs up” button only for comments replying to your comment so you could agree to someone in way that showed you didn’t have anything further to say. I mostly just use
For that, which I guess works well.
Here you can generally assume people will engage with intellectual honesty and intellectual curiosity, not just to “win” an argument but to have a real exchange of ideas that results in potentially both people benefiting. Everything isn’t a debate and every conversation does not have a winner and a loser, the goal everyone has here is generally for everyone to be better off.
The thing that annoys me is the widespread misconception among the lib instances that Hexbear users are just out there spamming PPB on every other instance, when in reality it’s much more common that someone starts calling us hate speech spewing Russian bots or whatever and people start responding to that. Oh no, the consequences of my actions
Anothe thing that happens frequently is someone posts something well-crafted in good faith and then a lib responds ”I’m not reading that Kremlin/Chinese propaganda, troll!”, so who are the ones actually not interested in arguing here?
Well yeah, but it’s okay when people call us bots because we’re genocide denying turbo tankies. When we take offense we are in the wrong. This is called “Civility”.
It’s like “Talking back” that adults pull on children. Kids can’t figure out what they did wrong because they didn’t do anything wrong. Their crime is existing. Our crime is being outside the Overton Window. Nothing we can do will ever be acceptable.
It’s like “Talking back” that adults pull on children.
!!! I had somehow forgotten about this phrase, even though it was my most frequent infraction and has shaped all of my dealings with children. It still baffles and hurts me that so many adults would rather get mad at kids for having feelings, opinions, and questions than talk to them like they’re actual people.
I get angry just by reading the phrase, ugh
Literally cannot imagine being this narcissist towards kids now that I’m old. I heard this fucking thing so much growing up
It was so awful. I tried so hard to understand what i was doing wrong and it wasn’t until decades later that i realized that i never did anything. “Talking back” just meant being noticed in any way. It’s a horrid way to treat people.
I tried so hard to understand what i was doing wrong and it wasn’t until decades later that i realized that i never did anything.
ugh, hard relate
I’ve posted PPB exactly twice. Once when someone was whining about “I wish tbe hexbears werent here” and once again when someone said “tankie says what” in response to a well written reply (from a lemmygrad comrade)
no more half measures walter
no more half measured water
i press all i press active yep it’s brigading time
