As always you need to know how to read a survey like this one.
The top answers are all countries that don’t allow doesn’t and have a very tight surveillance net. So no surprise in these answers.
Imagine genuinely having convinced yourself that you can’t gauge general public opinion in a country like China. Like there’s a party operative hiding behind every corner listening. 😂
Don’t really need to when you’ve got facial recognition cameras everywhere. Also guessing they didn’t ask the Uyghurs what they think. And regular Chinese folk can’t really Google that shit now can they?
Yeah, it’s a total mystery why people in a country where they’ve seen the most rapid advancements in the standard of living support their government. CPC just hoodwinked everyone by providing them with housing, healthcare, education, and jobs. What they really need to find out about their living conditions is access to US propaganda. Also, why wouldn’t they ask Uyghurs what they think. Your propaganda diet must’ve convinced you that Uyghurs don’t support the government?
Luckily for us, AP went to interview Uyghurs to see what they think:
On a government sponsored tour, officials took us to meet Mamatjan Ahat, a truck driver, who declared he was back to drinking and smoking because he had recanted religion and extremism after a stint at one of Xinjiang’s infamous “training centers”.
“It made me more open-minded,” Ahat told reporters, as officials listened in.
It’s really difficult debating you because it seems you’re just wilfully ignoring shit.
You’re trying to claim that China forcing people into dropping their religion and then parading them to people on a government guided tour is somehow a good thing.
If this really is a benevolent thing, how about some transparency in what’s happening to these people?
If you have a government guided tour, you should be noting what you’re not seeing and don’t trust what you do see.
China isn’t doing anything of the sort. What they’re doing is fighting religious extremism, the sort of which no western country would ever tolerate. It’s interesting how the same people who purport to support human rights are pretty comfortable with theocracy when it suits their geopolitical interests.
The reality is that US has been funding and arming extremists in Xinjiang trying to replicate Afghanistan model when they toppled a socialist government there. Don’t take my word for it though, here’s George Bush’s chief of staff openly saying that US wants to destabilize the region, and NED recently admitting to funding Uyghur separatism for the past 16 years on their own official Twitter page. An ex-CIA operative details US operations radicalizing and training terrorists in the region in this book. Here’s an excerpt:
Throughout the 1990s, hundreds of Uyghurs were transported to Afghanistan by the CIA for training in guerilla warfare by the mujahideen. When they returned to Xinjiang, they formed the East Turkistan Islamic Movement and came under Catli’s expert direction. Graham Fuller, CIA superspy, offered this explanation for radicalizing the Chinese Muslims:
The policy of guiding the evolution of Islam and of helping them [Muslims] against our adversaries worked marvelously well in Afghanistan and against the Red Army. The doctrines can still be used to destabilize what remains of Russian power, and especially to counter Chinese influence in Central Asia.
US has been stoking terrorism in the region while they’ve been running a propaganda campaign against China in the west.
Lmao so basically there is absolutely no way to make you change your mind because you will invent whatever you want. If you don’t see it, you will just assume it exists and is hidden from you?
This is a wild way to behave. You live in a world that is entirely invented and evidence-free. Any evidence to the contrary is just dismissed as a clever act for the sake of deceiving you.
No, I look at the evidence provided, speculate about what’s missing, and then ask why it’s missing.
For example, in some of the videos I’ve seen of N. Korea, there’s a certain level of hospitality, but no other customers aside from the visitors. Visitors aren’t allowed to go out on their own. There are wide streets with few cars. And so on. So what is N. Korea hiding?
What I’m looking for are answers to questions like:
what exactly is happening to the Uigurs? Is it consensual? How can I verify?
are people allowed to disagree publicly with the government? Why or why not? How can I independently verify?
And so on. I’m not going to just blindly accept anything any government states, I want independently verifiable information.
This is your source, so desperate are you to spread good news about authoritarian regimes you don’t even check your sources
One of the protesters, ex-Edelman employee Lucy Bridgewater, quit due to the agency’s ongoing relationship with oil majors and the impending climate catastrophe. Lucy said: “Edelman is a fine one to talk in its Trust Barometer about politicians misleading the public, when Edelman itself has been misleading us all for decades – first as lobbyists for the tobacco industry, and now the fossil fuel industry. Edelman uses its profound understanding of trust to manipulate public perception of our most pressing issues. We desperately need the great thinking and fresh ideas of our creative industries channelled into solving our greatest challenges – not actively and knowingly make them worse.”
I live in a western authoritarian regime where the government works in the interest of a small capital owning class. And I crave living in a country where the working class holds power. I guess boots aren’t gonna lick themselves though, so capitalists are lucky to have people like you around.
Yeah, absolutely unthinkable that people would trust their government when it does such horrible things like lifting hundreds of millions of people out of poverty, building world class infrastructure, providing people with jobs, housing, education, and healthcare. These things must seem like absolute horrors to a typical westerner.
Why would it be /s? I’m not from China and the only news I hear is from countries that are actively trying to manufacture consent for a war with China. I’m not for or against China but I’m not going to blindly swallow the state department pill.
I cannot hear ONE positive thing about China/Russia without them being associated with evil epithets that belong to Nazis, all of which get debunked from time to time. West loves to practice Brandolini’s Law, and this is demonstrably noted with Twitter tweets’ analysis of the past 10 or so years, where it was noted people who had to debunk disinformation had to spend 6-7x more effort. 90% of global media is NATO/Western media, where CFR, Bilderberg and Murdoch media continue to pump disinformation and Cold War McCarthyist bullshit since World War II ended. Considering most of Hitler’s surviving subordinates escaped to USA, and they went onto become heads of various organisations like EU Commission, NASA et al, one must never trust Anglos atleast for the next few centuries.
Oh no, how dare you! How could it be even possible? My beloved Western media taught that all Chinese are like Fu Manchu, Russians are orcs and Indians are p*jeets, and I need Marvel Avengers and Captain Amerikkka to save the world!!!
A high trust government usually reflected on people’s behaviour and general society. You do not need a poll to say your citizens trust you. Paradoxically, if you get a survey in China asking if you approval/disapprove of the government, they will say approve and if anyone been to China you will know why. Talking about the government in China is a rabbit hole you don’t want to go down on, especially if you are non-Chinese looking expat.
Polls are meaningless in China, the same attitudes during the Gang of Four (四人帮) still exists today. If Xi was ousted today, the opinion polls will change from 95% approval ratings to calling for his execution.
We seen this During the later stages of the Cultural Revolution, Chinese citizens continued to exhibit strong support for the Gang of Four and the Cultural Revolution. It is likely that if a poll had been conducted at that time, their approval rating would have been close to 100%.
However, following the events of the October 1976 coup, the Chinese people once again rejoiced and celebrated coup and death sentence (which was changed to life imprisonment later on) of the Gang of Four. An eminent writer, Guo Moruo (郭沫若), who had previously expressed admiration for Jiang Qing just a few months earlier, found himself criticizing her within the same year.
This pattern of shifting loyalties and public sentiments was not unique to this period alone. In fact, prior to the rise of the Gang of Four, similar instances occurred involving prominent figures like Lin Biao (林彪) and Liu Shaoqi (刘少奇).
Considering I lived in Chongqing for 3 years. Lots. However I kept my politics extremely private. From 12 years to now I saw China slowly turning into a black hole information.
As always you need to know how to read a survey like this one. The top answers are all countries that don’t allow doesn’t and have a very tight surveillance net. So no surprise in these answers.
Imagine genuinely having convinced yourself that you can’t gauge general public opinion in a country like China. Like there’s a party operative hiding behind every corner listening. 😂
Don’t really need to when you’ve got facial recognition cameras everywhere. Also guessing they didn’t ask the Uyghurs what they think. And regular Chinese folk can’t really Google that shit now can they?
Yeah, it’s a total mystery why people in a country where they’ve seen the most rapid advancements in the standard of living support their government. CPC just hoodwinked everyone by providing them with housing, healthcare, education, and jobs. What they really need to find out about their living conditions is access to US propaganda. Also, why wouldn’t they ask Uyghurs what they think. Your propaganda diet must’ve convinced you that Uyghurs don’t support the government?
Luckily for us, AP went to interview Uyghurs to see what they think:
Continuing on
It’s really difficult debating you because it seems you’re just wilfully ignoring shit.
What shit am I ignoring, be specific. Are you trying to claim that freedom from religious extremism is a negative for people of Xinjiang?
You’re trying to claim that China forcing people into dropping their religion and then parading them to people on a government guided tour is somehow a good thing.
If this really is a benevolent thing, how about some transparency in what’s happening to these people?
If you have a government guided tour, you should be noting what you’re not seeing and don’t trust what you do see.
China isn’t doing anything of the sort. What they’re doing is fighting religious extremism, the sort of which no western country would ever tolerate. It’s interesting how the same people who purport to support human rights are pretty comfortable with theocracy when it suits their geopolitical interests.
Here’s an interview with a son of imam killed in Xinjiang which makes it pretty clear that religious people are a target just like everyone else https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-06-19/Son-of-imam-assassinated-in-Kashgar-s-2014-mosque-attack-speaks-out-RqNiyrcRuo/index.html
Here’s another interview with Imams https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/on-eid-xinjiang-imams-defend-china-against-u-s-criticism-1.5425967
A Pakistani journalist who has been all over Xinjiang (which borders Pakistan) claims that western media reports on “atrocities” are lies. https://dailytimes.com.pk/723317/exposing-the-occidents-baseless-lies-about-xinjiang/
Western reports on Xinjiang don’t support the lurid narrative you’re pushing either
Representatives of Arab majority nations actually wrote a letter to the UN in support of China https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/3853509?ln=en
The reality is that US has been funding and arming extremists in Xinjiang trying to replicate Afghanistan model when they toppled a socialist government there. Don’t take my word for it though, here’s George Bush’s chief of staff openly saying that US wants to destabilize the region, and NED recently admitting to funding Uyghur separatism for the past 16 years on their own official Twitter page. An ex-CIA operative details US operations radicalizing and training terrorists in the region in this book. Here’s an excerpt:
US has been stoking terrorism in the region while they’ve been running a propaganda campaign against China in the west.
And of course, before US started weaponizing terrorists they themselves were fighting these people https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-was-at-war-uyghur-terrorists-now-claims-etim-doesnt-exist/276916/
Lmao so basically there is absolutely no way to make you change your mind because you will invent whatever you want. If you don’t see it, you will just assume it exists and is hidden from you?
This is a wild way to behave. You live in a world that is entirely invented and evidence-free. Any evidence to the contrary is just dismissed as a clever act for the sake of deceiving you.
No, I look at the evidence provided, speculate about what’s missing, and then ask why it’s missing.
For example, in some of the videos I’ve seen of N. Korea, there’s a certain level of hospitality, but no other customers aside from the visitors. Visitors aren’t allowed to go out on their own. There are wide streets with few cars. And so on. So what is N. Korea hiding?
What I’m looking for are answers to questions like:
And so on. I’m not going to just blindly accept anything any government states, I want independently verifiable information.
Here’s a playlist with 2382 interviews with Uyghur people from Xinjiang, saying exactly what they think, enjoy (we both know you won’t watch them)
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkbOIKUddMBtp0_xEFqn4zey48kkgJq5w
This is your source, so desperate are you to spread good news about authoritarian regimes you don’t even check your sources
https://extinctionrebellion.uk/2023/03/07/extinction-rebellion-tells-major-pr-company-edelman-to-tellthetruth-about-fossil-fuel-ties/
You live in an authoritarian regime bud. No good news to find about it though.
You live in western democracy, yet crave living under an authoritarian regime, whatever floats your boat I guess
I live in a western authoritarian regime where the government works in the interest of a small capital owning class. And I crave living in a country where the working class holds power. I guess boots aren’t gonna lick themselves though, so capitalists are lucky to have people like you around.
Could it be that Chinese people just trust their government
/s right?
Right?
Yeah, absolutely unthinkable that people would trust their government when it does such horrible things like lifting hundreds of millions of people out of poverty, building world class infrastructure, providing people with jobs, housing, education, and healthcare. These things must seem like absolute horrors to a typical westerner.
Why would it be /s? I’m not from China and the only news I hear is from countries that are actively trying to manufacture consent for a war with China. I’m not for or against China but I’m not going to blindly swallow the state department pill.
I cannot hear ONE positive thing about China/Russia without them being associated with evil epithets that belong to Nazis, all of which get debunked from time to time. West loves to practice Brandolini’s Law, and this is demonstrably noted with Twitter tweets’ analysis of the past 10 or so years, where it was noted people who had to debunk disinformation had to spend 6-7x more effort. 90% of global media is NATO/Western media, where CFR, Bilderberg and Murdoch media continue to pump disinformation and Cold War McCarthyist bullshit since World War II ended. Considering most of Hitler’s surviving subordinates escaped to USA, and they went onto become heads of various organisations like EU Commission, NASA et al, one must never trust Anglos atleast for the next few centuries.
Oh no, how dare you! How could it be even possible? My beloved Western media taught that all Chinese are like Fu Manchu, Russians are orcs and Indians are p*jeets, and I need Marvel Avengers and Captain Amerikkka to save the world!!!
A high trust government usually reflected on people’s behaviour and general society. You do not need a poll to say your citizens trust you. Paradoxically, if you get a survey in China asking if you approval/disapprove of the government, they will say approve and if anyone been to China you will know why. Talking about the government in China is a rabbit hole you don’t want to go down on, especially if you are non-Chinese looking expat.
Polls are meaningless in China, the same attitudes during the Gang of Four (四人帮) still exists today. If Xi was ousted today, the opinion polls will change from 95% approval ratings to calling for his execution.
We seen this During the later stages of the Cultural Revolution, Chinese citizens continued to exhibit strong support for the Gang of Four and the Cultural Revolution. It is likely that if a poll had been conducted at that time, their approval rating would have been close to 100%.
However, following the events of the October 1976 coup, the Chinese people once again rejoiced and celebrated coup and death sentence (which was changed to life imprisonment later on) of the Gang of Four. An eminent writer, Guo Moruo (郭沫若), who had previously expressed admiration for Jiang Qing just a few months earlier, found himself criticizing her within the same year.
This pattern of shifting loyalties and public sentiments was not unique to this period alone. In fact, prior to the rise of the Gang of Four, similar instances occurred involving prominent figures like Lin Biao (林彪) and Liu Shaoqi (刘少奇).
How many Chinese people have you talked to?
Considering I lived in Chongqing for 3 years. Lots. However I kept my politics extremely private. From 12 years to now I saw China slowly turning into a black hole information.
So, what you’re saying is that you lived in China for 3 years and never actually discussed politics with people living there.