At the country’s founding, “there was a Christian political theory that was assumed as a consensus position, and the laws of nature and nature’s God don’t make sense without a common shared understanding of the divine and of created order,” Meadowcroft said, adding that the belief that “all men are created equal” and “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights,” as the Declaration of Independence states, “only makes sense within the long story of the Christian West.”
Biblical language has been used throughout American history, from the founding and Abraham Lincoln’s arguments to end slavery, to combating communism and advancing the civil rights movement.
“We’re saying we need to return that biblical language and an acknowledgment of our Christian heritage to the public sphere if our institutions and our assumptions about human nature and the law are going to make sense, and that the longer that we keep those out of the public sphere, the more unmoored we become from these core moral assumptions that undergird our whole constitutional system and the more lawless our future will be,” Meadowcroft explained. “So this is not a call to revolution, or civil war, or any such thing, it is rather a restoration, a re-founding, and an establishment of genuine constitutional order again.”
White Supremacists have hijacked the Christian religion for their own self serving purposes. They do blend in well, but not quite. Christians are hateful and racist, but they aren’t drooling for power like the current group of fools.
Characterizing all Christians as hateful and racist is unfair. There are plenty of Christians that genuinely believe in Jesus and the Bible for more than the social power it provides. I was a staunch member of the New Atheist movement back when it was popular. Then I realized…Christians and even the Bible itself isn’t nearly as bad as they were making it out to be. It’s the same problem as say, communism or American Free Enterprise, or nationalism, or whatever: the human tendency of control others.
I’m of the opinion that almost everything is permissible as long it doesn’t interfere with the rights of others. They call this classical liberalism these days, but even the classical liberals made exceptions, permitting slavery, for example, or justifying the subjugation of Indians and Native Americans by considering them savages.
I, on the other hand, make no exceptions. If someone wants to devote their life to God, I’m 100% okay with that. If they want make me devote my life to god or to practice their version of Christianity by banning abortions, for example, then we’ve a problem.
I can agree with most of what you’ve said. What we are facing is white supremacy dressed as a Christian and if Christians don’t want to lose their right to freely practice religion they need to get their house in order.
I don’t think I have a lot to add to the conversation with regards to Christian Nationalism as it relates to the left using it as a label fear monger against, but as far as it’s concerned on the right…
Conservatives that think that the moral decay has hit the country so bad that we aren’t a Christian country anymore are delusional.
The current congress is 87% Christian, well above the national average of 63% according to Pew. This country is for all intents and purposes a Christian country, governed by Christian laws and lawmakers. Thankfully our founders, valued religious liberty and didn’t set out to make a theocracy.
I think like all good things, the wicked have always co-opted Christian language in order to increase their wealth and power. Who are the people calling for a Christian nation? Are they the meek and humble? Or are they wealthy men in expensive suits, found in the halls of power? Don’t be fooled. Christians are citizens of the Kingdom that is not of this earth. Trying to make a Christian nation on earth belies a lack of understanding of what the gospel is really about.
Great! Lets align this nation with biblical principles:
Matt 6:33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
Acts 2:44-45 And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.
Acts 4:32-35 Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.
2 Corr 8:12-14 For if the readiness is there, it is acceptable according to what a person has, not according to what he does not have. For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness.
And let’s not forget this one:
Matt 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he. will hate the one, and love the other; or else. he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Act 4:32-35 is quite literally Communism:
communism, political and economic doctrine that aims to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production (e.g., mines, mills, and factories) and the natural resources of a society.
Christian Nationalists would need to go to hell before they’d let that happen.
Well I don’t think it’s communism in a strict sense because charity can’t be forced. As soon as the state is compelling you to do this or that, it’s no longer activity on behalf of the Kingdom not of this earth. There are numerous examples in the bible of God being often, if not always, in opposition to government and worldly powers.
But still you make a good point that many people who publically profess to be Christian don’t really want to do anything that conflicts with their worldly wealth and power. Christians were also warned to beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing. There are many of those.
Not sure where you are getting communism from that passage. Conservatives give more to charity than liberals. They’re more geniuses. That passage is about charity and Christian’s taking care of Christians.
That last line bothers me a little. I think the parable of the good Samaritan informs us that we shouldn’t just “take care of our own”.
Context. The Bible is all about context.
Yea sure context. I just don’t want anyone unfamiliar to think the takeaway is that it’s correct Christian theology to help and care for other Christians only, and fuck everybody else.
Someone in this thread says Christians are hateful and racist. Well yea humans are hateful and racist, but that’s absolutely not what Jesus teaches. So people can easily get the wrong idea by witnessing the behavior of those who are bad at doing religion, or worse, those who are deceitful. So I want to be sure (or as much as I can) that our discussion is not a source for someone’s misunderstanding.
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I think you are being so economical with your words and typos I don’t know what you are saying.
No, communism is state slavery. Thats the opposite of Acts 4:32-35
Acts 4 if I remember correctly is about Antioch. It’s talking about what happened there and only in Antioch.