Hey all, just a reminder:
All the influx of shilling on Lemmy positing memes which are “short, quippy, and wrong” in IS’s terminology, leading ultimately to the conclusion “please don’t vote, it’s not worth it, it won’t make a difference, and Biden’s very very bad anyway” – it’s all for one simple reason: Voting works. It is one of the rare opportunities the normal-person population has to influence the people in charge, by some small degree. It’s not enough, but it’s also not to be wasted.
The whole reason there’s all this investment of time and energy into manipulating people’s opinions is the same reason there’s so much energy towards manipulating their ability to vote in the first place: It’s worth the investment of energy and money that it takes to do that. Because voting has power.
I think it’s clear that an honest accounting of how Biden has been doing puts him well above average for establishment Democrats. Is that good enough? Fuck no. I am about to vote in the primary in my state and I would love if someone would give me a realistic way to support someone younger than Biden, or to move the Democrats effectively towards the actual left.
Also, all this blaming of Gaza specifically on Biden as if he was the one making the decisions about what the IDF should do on the ground, and talk about the election as if that one bad thing happening in the world undoes anything good he’s done or anything 10 times more genocidal that Trump might do – I actually really hope that that does succeed in breaking the US’s unconditional and war-criminal support for Israel that’s been going for 50+ years. Or at least moving it in the right direction. Let’s see.
But again, take this kind of thing as the reminder that it should be: They are trying so hard to influence how you look at the election, because what you decide to do in the election matters, and they know that.
“Voting works, that’s why Trump fairly won in 2016 despite getting less of them than his competition. Please just trust the system that oppresses you and we promise it will all work out once we get rid of
SnowballGoldsteinTrump.”If someone has to mischaracterize you this hard in order to make their argument, it usually means they want to disagree but can’t find an aboveboard way to argue against anything you said.
And so, behold: “Voting is better than not” becomes “voting is all you need to do and things are fine,” and is presented all sarcastic and mean. It’s not a real convincing way to argue, but what else can you do if you’re trying to say people on the left not voting is gonna be a winning strategy for the left?
What am I mischaracterizing? The only person who’s mischaracterizing is you. “Voting is better than not,” isn’t what they said. Voting in America doesn’t work. Every American could abstain from voting and the outcome would be the same thanks to the Electoral College.
I said:
Is [Biden] good enough? Fuck no.
I would love if someone would give me a realistic way to support someone younger than Biden
I actually really hope that that does succeed in breaking the US’s unconditional and war-criminal support for Israel
And you characterized that as:
Please just trust the system
we promise it will all work out
… so that you would have a way to disagree with me.
Or… it’s just a meme in a memes channel. Vote for Biden, I don’t care. Just laugh at the meme.
If it really was just “a” meme, I wouldn’t feel the need to say anything. The first 10 or 15 of them that I saw, I just kind of ignored without comment.
Vote for Biden, I don’t care
I mean… you clearly do.
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I’ve said it plenty of times here but I’ll say it again. I hate Biden. I hate Trump. The party that aligns closest to me is the Dems. I’ll continue to bash them and hold their feet to the fire because politicians are not our friends. I’m far left. The Dems are closer to Trump than I am.
NOO you have to blindly support the dems, they can do nothing wrong. What are you a Trump supporter???
Okay well did you not consider that OP is literally a nazi ruzzian 4chan hacker troll? Checkmate republitard
It would help if anything about it was funny.
Hey all, just a reminder this meme is about the primary, the place every Biden supporter says if you don’t like him don’t vote for him in but support him at the general.
Which is it? Or do you lot just not want people to express disapproval with him ever?
just a reminder this meme is about the primary
Or do you lot just not want people to express disapproval with him ever?
Sounds like you’ve already decided what “you lot” think and say, and you’ve saved yourself the time it would have taken to read my message by just creating a message in your mind that’s what “you lot” say, in your imagination. You’re responding to what you heard in your head, not what I wrote. Here’s part of what I actually said:
“Is [Biden] good enough? Fuck no. I am about to vote in the primary in my state and I would love if someone would give me a realistic way to support someone younger than Biden”
You should read the whole thing, I’d love to talk if you have something with which to respond to what I actually said.
an honest accounting of how Biden has been doing puts him well above average for establishment Democrats. Is that good enough? Fuck no.
oh no! careful or you’ll get labeled a trump supporter who doesn’t care about queer kids and wants the genocide in gaza to get worse
Fascism thrives on apathy.
Why vote one day every 4 years when I can be a keyboard warrior all the time
Joe Biden isn’t “committing genocide,” nor is the US actively. We are however funding those (Isreal) who are.
It’s still complicity.
Israel couldn’t do what they’re doing now without 75 years worth of zealous support.
Hitler didn’t commit Genocide, he just gave the command to people who committed the Genocide!
You can still be found as an accomplice to a crime. But that is neither here nor there.Changed my opinion.
The guy supplying a Genocidal state with bombs while knowing they are starving two million people is a bit more than “an accomplice”.
You just have to deny the Genocide hard enough then Biden can still win.
Now join us in our Genocide Death cult where we pretend that ignoring Biden being complicit in Genocide is going land him victory
Don’t make biden fix it that would be very bad for his re- election chances. Never address the issue. Pretend the issue is very minor and whenever somebody says Genocide is bad be sure to use the magical line
“But
her emailsTrump”Underrated comment. Bravo.
You can be against US support for Israel while realizing Biden doesn’t call the shots for another goddamn nation and isn’t responsible for Israeli actions.
Man the quality of this anti-Biden shit is getting low here.
Cutoff the funding and weapons. Biden can do that immediately.
Of course Biden isn’t directly responsible, but you should look at how much of Isreal’s military supplies, including bombs, come from the US.
As long as Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc., continue to suggest that Israel should be wiped off the map (not to mention act accordingly) then America will continue supplying Israel with the necessary tools to defend themselves against militant threats. Hamas and Hezbollah have fired missiles nonstop at heavily populated Isreali cities, and the only thing stopping massive destruction and loss of life to our Isreali allies are iron dome missile defense systems that the US has spent >$3,000,000,000 funding. If not for the US, we would be counting bodies in the hundreds of thousands across both Israel and Palestine.
On top of that, all of this ignores the fact that there was YET ANOTHER viable ceasefire agreement that was rejected by Hamas today. At what point do we stop blaming the US for all of the world’s problems? The only people with the agency to stop the current fighting in Gaza are Hamas and Netenyahu’s government, and you all damn well know that.
You can recognise Biden isn’t in charge of Israel but also realise he directly arms them, aids them, and shields them from the UN.
Retracting US support is all it would take for the world to step in and hold Israel accountable, he refuses to do that, therefore he is also responsible for the genocide being committed.
All Biden has to do is less than he is, but instead he goes out of his way to support Israel.
Why does this Biden look like Mike Pence walking past the lingerie section of a department store?
“I am a Zionist” - Joe Biden
