But who would you vote for if it was him vs Trump (which it likely will be)? Republicans will vote for Trump as a cohesive unit. We don’t have the luxury of voting for who we want in the general if we want to keep enjoying democracy.
No. But I enjoy this more than fascism, and likely all of those things you listed will get measurably worse under a second term of Trump armed with Project 2025.
So your entire hope is based on the idea that “This is currently fascism, and has been fascism for decades now, but if we let it get just a LITTLE bit worse, then The Revolution will totally rise up and overthrow this whole system!”?
Some of us aren’t under the impression that “A civil war that will kill millions and has no guarantee of success rather than handing over absolute power to a fascist government” is better than “A milquetoast centrist for a few years”.
No, generally I don’t expect people with such juvenile notions of human society to be convinced by arguments. But it’s best not to let them spread their drivel celebrating the death of millions unopposed.
Hopefully? What a batshit insane notion. “Yeah, I hope my friends and family die in a civil war fighting fascists.” We don’t have to go to war, but if people act like they’re entitled to the “perfect” candidate earning their vote and are unwilling to make compromises, then Trump and the Heritage Foundation have already won.
Kinda fucking funny that a guy who is whining about “genocide enabling” wants a bunch of innocent civilians slaughtered in some fucked up idea of a “revolution”
“I’m not enjoying this on an abstract level, therefore, let the worst candidate win and make everything even worse. Fuck these other, poor people who actually struggle to get by on what meager assistance they receive. They can get less, so long as I don’t have to make a choice.”
I hope not. You seem to understand what’s at stake, rather than believing beyond all sense and reason that there will be another democratic election post-Project 2025.
Don’t worry. I promised myself I wouldn’t off myself after my last attempt until I truly saw no way out. I’ll wait 'til the Gestapo are knocking at the doors. Til then, I’ll be doing what little I can to get milquetoast centrists elected, because as much as I’d like something better, I’m also under no illusion that making things worse will give some sort of ‘do-over’.
Count yourself lucky. Lmao, one of my first political experiences online was quarreling with a left-wing accelerationist in the late 2000s. Wild stuff. They’ve only multiplied, unfortunately, as a result of the increasing dysfunction of the US political system and the dying promises of neoliberalism in general.
There is serious violence and injustice in the world. We have leaders who came before us who demonstrated how collective action can effect change, and who have moved our society in a more just and inclusive direction versus 25, 50, 100, or 150 years ago.
Rather than put in that hard work though you could instead just give the fuck up and wish for violence, right
Just like in H. W. Bush v Dukakis, liberals will refuse to vote for someone who does not align with their ideals (and there isn’t a much bigger thing that liberals do not tolerate than genocide).
This will lead to a HORRIBLE period of time. The Republicans will do what the Republicans do, and it will be because the Democrats just cant help themselves and NEED to fuck it up.
Then, after America has gone through another hellish term or 3 of Republicans, the Democrats will finally feel forced to gasp represent their constituents again, they will produce an actual decent candidate, and we will have a repeat of the Clinton/Gore years.
This has all happened before. Not even that long ago. Nearly play by play.
Your proposed scenario will never happen. Have you even read Project 2025’s goals? If they get their guy in office, there won’t be a “hellish term or three of Republicans,” followed by Democrats waking up, because by then, it will be too late, and your vote literally won’t matter anymore.
Alright then, you have fun supporting genocide against ethnic minorities in the US and LGBT folk while claiming the moral high ground. I’m sure history will remember your kind fondly.
Then, after America has gone through another hellish term or 3 of Republicans, the Democrats will finally feel forced to gasp represent their constituents again, they will produce an actual decent candidate, and we will have a repeat of the Clinton/Gore years.
When the fuck has this happened, again? Allowing the GOP to push the narrative right for over a decade doesn’t give you a fucking Newton’s law equal reaction towards the left. It just makes politics as a whole more right-leaning. This whole “Let’s lose so we can win!” bull is nothing but wishful thinking.
What, Clinton/Gore? You mean the administration responsible for pulling the Democratic party to the neoliberal right? That’s your fucking hoped-for reaction?
Clinton repealed Glass-Steagall. That is a huge reason for our financial situation right now. It was a big gift to Republicans and the rich. Clinton was a terrible president. He was better than Bush would have been and better than Dole, but I’m not going to go much farther than that. He was as right as you could get (at the time) for a Democrat.
But who would you vote for if it was him vs Trump (which it likely will be)? Republicans will vote for Trump as a cohesive unit. We don’t have the luxury of voting for who we want in the general if we want to keep enjoying democracy.
Sounds like Biden has work to do.
If the people in this post are any indication, he definitely does. Uniting the Left is like herding cats.
With the Right, all you gotta do is give them a minority to be angry at, and they’ll mash that R button until their fingers bleed.
Maybe they should start using catnip instead of the spray bottle.
I guess we’ll just sit around and hope that if we just keep voting for garbage candidates, a good one will just come along. What a good system.
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No. But I enjoy this more than fascism, and likely all of those things you listed will get measurably worse under a second term of Trump armed with Project 2025.
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So your entire hope is based on the idea that “This is currently fascism, and has been fascism for decades now, but if we let it get just a LITTLE bit worse, then The Revolution will totally rise up and overthrow this whole system!”?
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So that’s a ‘yes’ then?
Jesus Christ.
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Some of us aren’t under the impression that “A civil war that will kill millions and has no guarantee of success rather than handing over absolute power to a fascist government” is better than “A milquetoast centrist for a few years”.
This reads like you realize you lost the argument but are trying to save face by acting manly
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No, generally I don’t expect people with such juvenile notions of human society to be convinced by arguments. But it’s best not to let them spread their drivel celebrating the death of millions unopposed.
Look bruh, I’m not finna argue with you bruh
Hopefully? What a batshit insane notion. “Yeah, I hope my friends and family die in a civil war fighting fascists.” We don’t have to go to war, but if people act like they’re entitled to the “perfect” candidate earning their vote and are unwilling to make compromises, then Trump and the Heritage Foundation have already won.
Kinda fucking funny that a guy who is whining about “genocide enabling” wants a bunch of innocent civilians slaughtered in some fucked up idea of a “revolution”
“I’m not enjoying this on an abstract level, therefore, let the worst candidate win and make everything even worse. Fuck these other, poor people who actually struggle to get by on what meager assistance they receive. They can get less, so long as I don’t have to make a choice.”
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Oh? You mean like how fascism motivated change in Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany?
Have fun in the fucking camps. I’ll probably off myself before that.
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I hope not. You seem to understand what’s at stake, rather than believing beyond all sense and reason that there will be another democratic election post-Project 2025.
Don’t worry. I promised myself I wouldn’t off myself after my last attempt until I truly saw no way out. I’ll wait 'til the Gestapo are knocking at the doors. Til then, I’ll be doing what little I can to get milquetoast centrists elected, because as much as I’d like something better, I’m also under no illusion that making things worse will give some sort of ‘do-over’.
This post has been wild. I honestly never ran into left-wing accelerationists until today.
Count yourself lucky. Lmao, one of my first political experiences online was quarreling with a left-wing accelerationist in the late 2000s. Wild stuff. They’ve only multiplied, unfortunately, as a result of the increasing dysfunction of the US political system and the dying promises of neoliberalism in general.
It sounds like you’d rather things get much worse, because you think that will make things better. Is that what you think?
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You have hope that there’s civil violence coming? You’re fucked up dude
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There is serious violence and injustice in the world. We have leaders who came before us who demonstrated how collective action can effect change, and who have moved our society in a more just and inclusive direction versus 25, 50, 100, or 150 years ago.
Rather than put in that hard work though you could instead just give the fuck up and wish for violence, right
Are people who look like you worth more than people who don’t?
“I’m willing to sacrifice as many of you as it will take to get my way!”
Just like in H. W. Bush v Dukakis, liberals will refuse to vote for someone who does not align with their ideals (and there isn’t a much bigger thing that liberals do not tolerate than genocide).
This will lead to a HORRIBLE period of time. The Republicans will do what the Republicans do, and it will be because the Democrats just cant help themselves and NEED to fuck it up.
Then, after America has gone through another hellish term or 3 of Republicans, the Democrats will finally feel forced to gasp represent their constituents again, they will produce an actual decent candidate, and we will have a repeat of the Clinton/Gore years.
This has all happened before. Not even that long ago. Nearly play by play.
Your proposed scenario will never happen. Have you even read Project 2025’s goals? If they get their guy in office, there won’t be a “hellish term or three of Republicans,” followed by Democrats waking up, because by then, it will be too late, and your vote literally won’t matter anymore.
Okay chicken little.
Good luck with your genocide.
I won’t support it.
It must be nice, imagining that you have the privilege of a choice.
Spineless fanatics like you are why we are here.
That’s a new one.
Get used to it if you support genocide and in the same breath try to claim moral high ground.
Alright then, you have fun supporting genocide against ethnic minorities in the US and LGBT folk while claiming the moral high ground. I’m sure history will remember your kind fondly.
Meaning you haven’t read Project 2025’s goals. Telorand isn’t Chicken Little, they’re Cassandra.
When the fuck has this happened, again? Allowing the GOP to push the narrative right for over a decade doesn’t give you a fucking Newton’s law equal reaction towards the left. It just makes politics as a whole more right-leaning. This whole “Let’s lose so we can win!” bull is nothing but wishful thinking.
I literally just told you.
What, Clinton/Gore? You mean the administration responsible for pulling the Democratic party to the neoliberal right? That’s your fucking hoped-for reaction?
Jesus H. Christ.
SMH my head.
You’re mixing up which Clinton dragged the party to the right.
… am I? Which Clinton is the leftist, here? Please, tell me about how Bill wasn’t actually a neoliberal?
Or worse, tell me how Hillary is actually a leftist?
Both Clintons dragged the party to the right, dude.
Clinton repealed Glass-Steagall. That is a huge reason for our financial situation right now. It was a big gift to Republicans and the rich. Clinton was a terrible president. He was better than Bush would have been and better than Dole, but I’m not going to go much farther than that. He was as right as you could get (at the time) for a Democrat.