Punishment probably isn’t the best way to improve things. Even under your view of things, it should be clear that punishment does more to make the punisher feel good than actually solve problems.
I sympathize with your pain but also holy fuck I hope you never get your way. I’ve seen what happens when people who think like you get power, they’re brutally abusive.
Believe it or not, most people will stop doing things if they are convinced that it isn’t in their self interest. The idea that trauma is effective at getting people to stop doing something is neither accurate or acceptable. Trauma could easily make some people lash out and cause even more damage. If there’s something we shouldn’t tolerate, it’s people who want to inflict unnecessary and unproductive harm on other people. It probably didn’t make you less of a threat.
You need help, and not just therapy. You would benefit from real life friends and positive interactions with people who treat you as an equal. Residential treatment might be a good idea if you haven’t done it before. Treatment will only work if you work with it. It’s assistance, not having the problem solved for you. You need to do some of the lifting.
It doesn’t really make sense that a species of irrational narcissists would all work together to deny you happiness. Ironically, that perception is both irrational and narcissistic. It’s full of contradictions and assumptions about everyone’s beliefs and intentions, while also assuming that people make sure you cannot be happy in particular. You’re not that special.
I’m not keeping you out of my social circle, partially because I don’t have one, but mainly because people on fourms like these aren’t really true social circles. You can find more proper social circles in communities on discord, but this place is too large and anonymous to be a solid social circle. You might be able to find a smaller group through a community like this, but this place isn’t that intimate.
The biggest reason people here are frustrated with you is that you seem to have spiraled into a bad spot, yet aren’t here with the intention of escaping your despair. You seem to be here to lash out against the world that wronged you, but it seems to have done more to perpetuate your anger. This stuff is difficult to listen to, even for well meaning people. Trauma dumping to strangers isn’t generally a good idea.
You also appeal to the discrimination minorititized groups face, as if I’m not a member of those groups? Most people in this community are queer, but I’m personally a brown, neurodivergent trans woman. On top of doing well at discrimination bingo, I’ve also suffered from debilitating mental illness for most of my life. I’ve required medication to function since I was 11, and I’ve spent years of my life resisting the urge to off myself because I didn’t want to make other people feel bad.
When I say that you’re not special, I mean that you’re not an exceptionally terrible human being deserving of suffering. I know I certainly believed that in the not too distant past, but one thing that helped me recover was recognizing that I would never treat another person the way I treated myself. Your outlook may be different as you seem to view people in a much worse light, but it still may help.
You have my attention. A charged response like that deserves a moment of consideration at the Very least.
What experience or experiences brought you to this opinion?
i speak having come from a broken home, destroyed by alcohol. unwanted by my mother and never set eyes on my dad, abused physically and emotionally by said mother as she took her failures out on me…what i mean by that, is…I’ve been in the dark places and I still frequent dark thoughts. i was robbed of justice in a world that owes me nothing…I’ve felt my share of rage and misplaced entitlement. So when i ask you, what’s up? please do not think i am being dismissive nor combative. i genuinely would like to hear about ‘it’
That is a plausible scenario given what we already know of abuse as a species so i certainly hope we do not end up there.
I Would argue, what about those who ‘break’ the cycle of abuse.?
i’ll never forgive my mother for her abuse and my father for his absence…but what did they show me? How to literally be the worst parents you can be. I was hell bent on dieing alone and not having children to snuff out my surname, but, i kept waking up, day by day. and…luckily i was able to find my partner, and wife who has demonstrated over a grueling 10 years that. with the right people, person and place you want to be and be with can change a vanta black outlook.
i cannot say what your path holds and i wont say ‘hang in there’ your pain and trauma is your own and its validity needs no ones outside judgement.
If our abusive nature is sending us down a spiral of torment, then what should the living do or try? We can try to do something different. abuse is easy. change is hard. i have no answers.
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Dude, see a therapist or something man.
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I spy with my little eye: A common denominator! You!
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Bro really took a comment by a guy named Willy Wanker 69, who’s trying to make a joke, seriously
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I don’t believe you.
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Punishment probably isn’t the best way to improve things. Even under your view of things, it should be clear that punishment does more to make the punisher feel good than actually solve problems.
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Sounds awfully fascist
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I don’t know you, why should I care enough about you to have “fascistic behaviour” towards you?
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“You get what you fucking deserve!”
I sympathize with your pain but also holy fuck I hope you never get your way. I’ve seen what happens when people who think like you get power, they’re brutally abusive.
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I read “Reported for AVOCADO of violence against a user” and I lolled. Then I reread and I lolled even harder
Believe it or not, most people will stop doing things if they are convinced that it isn’t in their self interest. The idea that trauma is effective at getting people to stop doing something is neither accurate or acceptable. Trauma could easily make some people lash out and cause even more damage. If there’s something we shouldn’t tolerate, it’s people who want to inflict unnecessary and unproductive harm on other people. It probably didn’t make you less of a threat.
You need help, and not just therapy. You would benefit from real life friends and positive interactions with people who treat you as an equal. Residential treatment might be a good idea if you haven’t done it before. Treatment will only work if you work with it. It’s assistance, not having the problem solved for you. You need to do some of the lifting.
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It doesn’t really make sense that a species of irrational narcissists would all work together to deny you happiness. Ironically, that perception is both irrational and narcissistic. It’s full of contradictions and assumptions about everyone’s beliefs and intentions, while also assuming that people make sure you cannot be happy in particular. You’re not that special.
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I’m not keeping you out of my social circle, partially because I don’t have one, but mainly because people on fourms like these aren’t really true social circles. You can find more proper social circles in communities on discord, but this place is too large and anonymous to be a solid social circle. You might be able to find a smaller group through a community like this, but this place isn’t that intimate.
The biggest reason people here are frustrated with you is that you seem to have spiraled into a bad spot, yet aren’t here with the intention of escaping your despair. You seem to be here to lash out against the world that wronged you, but it seems to have done more to perpetuate your anger. This stuff is difficult to listen to, even for well meaning people. Trauma dumping to strangers isn’t generally a good idea.
You also appeal to the discrimination minorititized groups face, as if I’m not a member of those groups? Most people in this community are queer, but I’m personally a brown, neurodivergent trans woman. On top of doing well at discrimination bingo, I’ve also suffered from debilitating mental illness for most of my life. I’ve required medication to function since I was 11, and I’ve spent years of my life resisting the urge to off myself because I didn’t want to make other people feel bad.
When I say that you’re not special, I mean that you’re not an exceptionally terrible human being deserving of suffering. I know I certainly believed that in the not too distant past, but one thing that helped me recover was recognizing that I would never treat another person the way I treated myself. Your outlook may be different as you seem to view people in a much worse light, but it still may help.
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You have my attention. A charged response like that deserves a moment of consideration at the Very least.
What experience or experiences brought you to this opinion?
i speak having come from a broken home, destroyed by alcohol. unwanted by my mother and never set eyes on my dad, abused physically and emotionally by said mother as she took her failures out on me…what i mean by that, is…I’ve been in the dark places and I still frequent dark thoughts. i was robbed of justice in a world that owes me nothing…I’ve felt my share of rage and misplaced entitlement. So when i ask you, what’s up? please do not think i am being dismissive nor combative. i genuinely would like to hear about ‘it’
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That is a plausible scenario given what we already know of abuse as a species so i certainly hope we do not end up there.
I Would argue, what about those who ‘break’ the cycle of abuse.?
i’ll never forgive my mother for her abuse and my father for his absence…but what did they show me? How to literally be the worst parents you can be. I was hell bent on dieing alone and not having children to snuff out my surname, but, i kept waking up, day by day. and…luckily i was able to find my partner, and wife who has demonstrated over a grueling 10 years that. with the right people, person and place you want to be and be with can change a vanta black outlook.
i cannot say what your path holds and i wont say ‘hang in there’ your pain and trauma is your own and its validity needs no ones outside judgement.
If our abusive nature is sending us down a spiral of torment, then what should the living do or try? We can try to do something different. abuse is easy. change is hard. i have no answers.
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