To extend on this, which is accurate, there’s a few extra things that are worth mentioning.
Unless you’ve signed a contract that specifically changes these (and which you would need to be compensated for to make the contract legal):
Full time employees get long service leave, which only kicks in for full time employees after several years.
Certain industries in South Australia such as Electricians, Plumbers etc have transferrable long service leave (it carries across employers in what is effectively a gig job).
Full time employees are paid for public holidays, which they are not obliged to work.
A full time employee basically cannot be fired without cause - only made redundant.
If you are made redundant, you will be paid a settlement.
This is why it’s easier to get loans etc by the way, the bank has reason to believe you’ll continue your employment.
As an aside, the paid sick leave is pretty important.
If I get sick, I don’t go to work and therefore don’t spread that illness to my coworkers, and I can still pay my rent and buy food.
A casual employee has to decide if they are sick enough to forgo income for one or more days.
Unscrupulous individuals taking “mental health days”, where they’re not sick, has been a big part in the movement to casualising the workforce (in my opinion).
Unscrupulous individuals taking “mental health days”, where they’re not sick, has been a big part in the movement to casualising the workforce (in my opinion).
yeah that’s the point you lost me.
10 days off, they don’t roll over. They’re owed me per year. Be it for my mental health or physical I am owed those days
A business that penalises its workforce because said business doesn’t like the fact owed leave is being utilised need to be shot in the face.
So the system should be changed so that you can take the days with notice. 🤷
The problem is people taking days off without notice, regularly.
As currently implemented, you feel ripped off.
If you just don’t turn up on a day leaving me short staffed, you’re letting me down (my targets won’t be met), you’re letting your co-workers down (they end up picking up your slack or getting called in on their day off at the last minute).
FFS, let me know ahead of time (psst, I’m going to take a “sick” day on Friday) and maybe I won’t be grumpy.
How is that rage inducing inconvenience you describe any different from the inconvenience of a legit sick day though. I mean outside your head.
If a workplace workflow collapses from a callout, that’s on poor management. If a workplace can’t complete deliverables without one person, that’s on management.
And ironically, cutting staff down so sharply that you end up with these scenarios is what causes a higher number of callouts due to burnout and stress
I’ve already explained above why a legit sick day is important, it stops your staff having to choose between being paid and doing the right thing - not spreading the illness.
Unscrupulous business owners demanded too much of their staff, including working whilst sick - so the law was changed so that those staff would be protected.
Unscrupulous employees abused this, so a limit was put in place - you get ten days a year.
But somehow, you’ve decided that a staff protection is actually extra days off, that are being stolen from you if you don’t get sick!
“in your own head” as you put it.
I’m not currently managing a team, but when I did, I never asked for a sick note from the doctor, what a waste of time and money.
People with your sense of entitlement cause nonsense like that.
No one is entitled to your work for free.
You aren’t entitled to payment for nothing.
There’s a balance here, ever changing, with sloppy vague laws applied post facto in an effort to maintain it.
I’m not against changing it, but taking your sick days as unplanned leave is against the spirit in which those sick days were bargained.
These are obligations. Period. You want to do business in Australia, you play by these rules.
There are actually no limits whatsoever on how many times you can call in sick. None. While your comment on overwork and unscrupulous employers is correct, there were absolutely no ‘unscrupulous employees’ abusing the system to the point where it had to be capped, literally you called in sick, you got no pay, or if your workplace paid you, that was a private arrangement. Mandated paid sick leave was written into its very existence as a limited number of days right from the start - and businesses decided to play to the legal bare minimum.
Those ten days are factored into your annual wages btw. So yes, they do belong to me.
Also: it’s incredibly hilarious that you’re trying to be denigratory going on about a ‘sense of entitlement’ when we’re discussing literal, legally defined entitlements.
A full time employee basically cannot be fired without cause - only made redundant.
That’s generally true for casual employees as well. It’s just that one of the “causes” might be “we don’t have a shift for you this week”.
That one isn’t always available to the employer though. Where I work, and I’m casual by the way, I can see six months of work on my schedule. If I were dismissed with “we don’t have any work for you” then I’m pretty sure Fair Work would have something to say about it.
To extend on this, which is accurate, there’s a few extra things that are worth mentioning.
Unless you’ve signed a contract that specifically changes these (and which you would need to be compensated for to make the contract legal):
Full time employees get long service leave, which only kicks in for full time employees after several years.
Certain industries in South Australia such as Electricians, Plumbers etc have transferrable long service leave (it carries across employers in what is effectively a gig job).
Full time employees are paid for public holidays, which they are not obliged to work.
A full time employee basically cannot be fired without cause - only made redundant.
If you are made redundant, you will be paid a settlement.
This is why it’s easier to get loans etc by the way, the bank has reason to believe you’ll continue your employment.
As an aside, the paid sick leave is pretty important.
If I get sick, I don’t go to work and therefore don’t spread that illness to my coworkers, and I can still pay my rent and buy food.
A casual employee has to decide if they are sick enough to forgo income for one or more days.
Unscrupulous individuals taking “mental health days”, where they’re not sick, has been a big part in the movement to casualising the workforce (in my opinion).
yeah that’s the point you lost me.
10 days off, they don’t roll over. They’re owed me per year. Be it for my mental health or physical I am owed those days
A business that penalises its workforce because said business doesn’t like the fact owed leave is being utilised need to be shot in the face.
So the system should be changed so that you can take the days with notice. 🤷
The problem is people taking days off without notice, regularly.
As currently implemented, you feel ripped off.
If you just don’t turn up on a day leaving me short staffed, you’re letting me down (my targets won’t be met), you’re letting your co-workers down (they end up picking up your slack or getting called in on their day off at the last minute).
FFS, let me know ahead of time (psst, I’m going to take a “sick” day on Friday) and maybe I won’t be grumpy.
How is that rage inducing inconvenience you describe any different from the inconvenience of a legit sick day though. I mean outside your head.
If a workplace workflow collapses from a callout, that’s on poor management. If a workplace can’t complete deliverables without one person, that’s on management.
And ironically, cutting staff down so sharply that you end up with these scenarios is what causes a higher number of callouts due to burnout and stress
I’ve already explained above why a legit sick day is important, it stops your staff having to choose between being paid and doing the right thing - not spreading the illness.
Unscrupulous business owners demanded too much of their staff, including working whilst sick - so the law was changed so that those staff would be protected.
Unscrupulous employees abused this, so a limit was put in place - you get ten days a year.
But somehow, you’ve decided that a staff protection is actually extra days off, that are being stolen from you if you don’t get sick!
“in your own head” as you put it.
I’m not currently managing a team, but when I did, I never asked for a sick note from the doctor, what a waste of time and money.
People with your sense of entitlement cause nonsense like that.
No one is entitled to your work for free.
You aren’t entitled to payment for nothing.
There’s a balance here, ever changing, with sloppy vague laws applied post facto in an effort to maintain it.
I’m not against changing it, but taking your sick days as unplanned leave is against the spirit in which those sick days were bargained.
Try that again without ad hominen attacks.
These are obligations. Period. You want to do business in Australia, you play by these rules.
There are actually no limits whatsoever on how many times you can call in sick. None. While your comment on overwork and unscrupulous employers is correct, there were absolutely no ‘unscrupulous employees’ abusing the system to the point where it had to be capped, literally you called in sick, you got no pay, or if your workplace paid you, that was a private arrangement. Mandated paid sick leave was written into its very existence as a limited number of days right from the start - and businesses decided to play to the legal bare minimum.
Those ten days are factored into your annual wages btw. So yes, they do belong to me.
Also: it’s incredibly hilarious that you’re trying to be denigratory going on about a ‘sense of entitlement’ when we’re discussing literal, legally defined entitlements.
Falsely claiming that what I said was ad hominem is itself ad hominem.
You keep doing you mate, I’m sure chucking sickies is the least annoying thing you do at work.
you can’t help yourself, can you?
That’s generally true for casual employees as well. It’s just that one of the “causes” might be “we don’t have a shift for you this week”.
That one isn’t always available to the employer though. Where I work, and I’m casual by the way, I can see six months of work on my schedule. If I were dismissed with “we don’t have any work for you” then I’m pretty sure Fair Work would have something to say about it.