• Madison420@lemmy.world
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    It’s a social issue not a gun issue. Shitty parents, shitty economics, shitty education and a shitty social structure are what makes America a higher crime nation in general and a higher gun crime nation specifically.

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        Available guns can make it more easy, but we also sometimes see other forms, like explosives, poison, etc. I live in a country where guns are heavily restricted and that obviously helps, but it’s just the tip of t iceberg. Bullying, extremism, hate speech, stress, medical care, therapy. Those are more important IMO

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          Exactly, if a country is filled with rocks there will be more rock related deaths but a country that is filled with rocks but is effectively governed and educated will have fewer.

          I imagine people are going to claim me to be against gun control but that isn’t true, I’m for reasonable gun control. License, register educate and own a tank for all I fuckin care, a big part of the issue is they’re less controlled than my what 3000lb Honda Civic that could run through a crowd at 100+ and do the same damage. Most people aren’t going to use their car as a weapon because it’s attached to them, the same would apply to guns.

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          What other country, at least Western country, has, per capita, explosives or poisonings or things like that at the level of murder as the U.S.?

          Third world shitholes maybe. I’m sure it sucks to live in Syria.

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        Sure, just not with the same access and instead other crimes are more prolific and arguably more heinous. How many cases of acid attacks happen in the us every year adjusted to population? Now how many for say India or for instance England.

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          Nah different. Acid attacks are most normally done towards women as a form of punishment. Not intended to kill.

          Obviously violence will happen. But why are you ever arguing to make the violence easier?

          If there was one item you could remove from society that truthfully they don’t need, and acid attacks wouldn’t happen. Wouldn’t you do that? Especially since acid attacks are so awful?

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            It’s one example, notably stabbings are higher in basically every other county by orders of magnitude.

            It’s no easier to get a gun than a car, one just happens to be easily and effectively tracked back to the owner.

            If we’re doing theoreticals that item would be ignorance.

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              we aren’t doing theoreticals? this is about guns.

              so you agree then removing guns would help resolve America’s issues with gun violence

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                If there was one item you could remove from society that truthfully they don’t need, and acid attacks wouldn’t happen.

                That sir is a theoretical, and notably not at all about gun violence as you stated it.

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                    Bro, you offered a theoretical and I turned it on you. That doesn’t make me a moron and honestly responding in such a way kinda makes it seem like you can’t support your argument so instead you lash out.

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                Not at all true, swords are still an execution method and I can guarantee you it doesn’t take half a minute let alone a minute.

                It isn’t, but hyperbole is your path to tread if it makes you happy I suppose.

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                    Correct sir, not only that but I can link you to Nazi and Japanese experiments on the subject of you’ve the stomach for it and the mods don’t hammer me for nsflogwb.

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          Is it even proportionally at the same level? Are you claiming that, adjusted to per capita, acid attacks in India are on par with mass shootings in the U.S.? And if so, are there mass acid attacks on schools at the rate of mass shootings in U.S. schools?

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            No I’m saying the human monster will use whatever is available. When guns are less available other crimes are more likely, and gun crime persists anyway. For India specifically they have about a third of the gun crime the US has.

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                Not at all what I said and actually that’s specifically the opposite of what I’ve suggested.

                I’m for registration and licensing, I dunno maybe read a bit before you decide to douche it up for no reason.