Sen. John Fetterman (D-Penn.) called some of his colleagues’ quickness to blame Israel for the hospital blast in Gaza “disturbing” in a statement Wednesday.

“It’s truly disturbing that Members of Congress rushed to blame Israel for the hospital tragedy in Gaza,” Fetterman said in a post on X, formerly Twitter.

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    9 months ago

    This is a far cry from “landed directly stop the hospital in such a way as to maximize civilian casualties”

    I will repeat myself because now I realize you are not understanding. Read carefully.

    If I pick a random point on a map, and decide to drop a bomb there - no matter the size - the chances of it causing hundreds of deaths is low. Even strong munitions. This “event” happened to cause hundreds of deaths. This is a rare occurrence. Go ahead and randomly throw a dart onto a map of a large city. Then kill everyone within 10 meters of that point. The vast majority of the time, you’re not going to get hundreds of deaths.

    That’s the only claim I’m trying to make here. The probability of such an event happening is low. I don’t see how that is a controversial statement.

    there was likely a munitions dump near the hospital because Hamas and other militant groups readily do that

    I don’t understand how this is relevant to the discussion at hand. Please elaborate.

    bigger, more dangerous, less commonly-used rockets are more likely to have incidents, for all of those very reasons in the descriptor.

    It’s still unusual. If big rockets fail at 5x the rate as small one, but you send out 9 big rockets and 1 big one, it’s still more likely for a failure to be the small one. Realistically, I think it’s the opposite though. The big ones are donated by Iran which has a much more advanced defense industry. The small ones are jerry rigged together by Hamas themselves.

    Israeli attacks have been precision attacks thus far, full stop. The idea that they are indiscriminately bombing is absurd and does not match evidence of said bombings. If they wanted the hospital levelled to maximize civilian casualties, as you literally state, then the hospital would not be standing.

    Here you let slip your bias. Israel themselves announced 6 days into the war that they had dropped 6,000 bombs on Gaza. It’s been 12 days into the war, if we assume the same ratio that’s 12,000 bombs. The same government that couldn’t stop some terrorists from literally driving a bulldozer up to the border wall is now somehow capable of having a mountain of precise and accurate intelligence of over 10,000 targets?

    As for the precision attacks… please see this video with a large stock of MK84 bombs. There are more videos of them loading it onto their planes. These aren’t precision guided munitions. They are dumb bombs. read more about them here

    I want to re-iterate the ridiculous amount of bombs they have dropped. In 2019 during the ENTIRE YEAR the United States dropped 7,500 bombs on Afghanistan. And 2019 was a particularly bad year, it was the most bombs in the past decade.

    Consider the size of Afghanistan. Consider the size and population density of Gaza.

    Come on man, think for yourself a little bit. Stop floating in the mayonnaise.

    I don’t believe you’re engaging in this topic in good faith at all.

    Cognitive dissonance is uncomfortable, I know. The people you think are good guys are actually brutally murdering thousands of people. Don’t worry, just like we eventually realized as a society that the Iraq war was a crime, we will eventually realize that this destruction of Gaza is a crime. Of course, that doesn’t help the thousands of dead children.

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      9 months ago

      One can believe that the destruction of Gaza is a crime and also believe that this particular explosion was caused by some other group.

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        9 months ago

        i agree absolutely.

        i don’t know what happened with the hospital. i don’t know how many people died. i don’t even know who stands to benefit, really. what has been the immediate after-effects of the attack?

        the US and Israel are now isolated from the western world. Who would want that? Well, Hamas is the obvious one. Iran and Russia, too. But what about Israel? Now the US and Western Europe are further committed to this conflict, and they don’t have to juggle the interests of the Arab countries.

        so the typical question - cuo bono - doesn’t even help here.

        the only constant i have is the nagging feeling that we are being lied to. i think everything happened too fast and the probability of such an event too low for it to be an accident.

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      9 months ago

      Lol the irony of

      he people you think are good guys are actually brutally murdering thousands of people

      Maybe you do genuinely believe the shit you say but that’s not exactly better lol