The headphones: Probably zero.
The phone: Definitely possible, if you take care of it and are fine with not having the latest and greatest.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S8.
if you take care of it and are fine with not having the latest and greatest.
Also as long as they can get a battery replacement, it should go the distance. I would source them now, rather than in a few years when they may be hard to find.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S5. (with 3 more replacement batteries in the desk draw)
Eh, charging twice a day isn’t such a hassle. As long as the phone isn’t losing significant charge when its in sleep mode, it’s still a good daily driver.
Sent from my Samsung S3 mini (w LineageOS)
Which Android version do you have?
Lineage 18, which I think is Android 11
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Ack I loved my s3 mini. Are you really still using one??
Sounds great until you get that battery out and realize it’s dead because it was slowly discharging over the years and has gone below the recovery level.
Although not having security updates on your phone is a good enough reason for me to upgrade a phone. I recently used a ROG Phone II for four years before switching to a Fold5 to get a better software update policy. I simply didn’t have the time anymore to fiddle with all my apps and fighting SafetyNet to use my banking apps because I used a custom ROM to keep my device updated.
It’s kind of fucked that we just accept that as an argument though isn’t it? Your desktop PC goes “out of support” when something physically requires hardware features or performance that isn’t present on the chip. Up until windows 11, you could essentially put a fully up to date and secure windows 10 on a 15 year old computer if it was beefy enough.
Now we put up with "my manufacturer doesn’t want to give me drivers for the device I bought but clearly don’t actually own, so it’s reasonable to pony up another $800 in 3 years to buy something new.
Android in the like 1.0 days installed and managed itself like a desktop is that could be installed on anything you could feed it drivers to. Why we as a society put up with anything less is beyond me.
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The thing about security updates:
Sure, ditching your phone when it doesn’t get any more updates is the safest thing, but I can’t bring myself to do it for environmental reasons.
My phone runs Android 6, which currently has a 1% market share.
Who designs and deploys new malware that can only affect 1% of devices, most of which are probably secondary phones that only connect via Wifi behind a NAT by now? I’m not too worried about that.sent from my Samsung Galaxy J5
There are many retroactive exploits in media renderers and web renderers that get fixed in newer security updates but are exploitable on every old version including Android 6. NAT doesn’t save you against that.
Malware that can hit Android 6 can probably also hit Android 7, 8, and 9. Obviously how you use the device makes a difference, but the malware is still being made and you have to be careful.
I still have my S8 sitting a drawer. That phone was the first phone to jump to modern smartphones imo. The form factor is still the standard today and likely won’t go away.
I dusted off my old iPhone 6s recently and did some quick plays of Badlands and Infinity Blade II… I’m amazed at how fast the phone is yet, even when the battery is thrash (it was never stellar) I will keep it as a backup device in case my main one fails.
Mobile phone might, but battery will go bad in 3-4 years and if it’s OLED screen it will show ghosting for sure after same period of time. Earbuds no chance. They will die much sooner, at least battery will.
The good news is any phone repair shop will be able to replace your battery for a reasonable price. Same with the screen but obviously that is a lot more expensive. My pixel 3 and pixel 1 hasn’t shown any ghosting in the screen yet but I don’t think I use apps with persistent UI often. Word of advice is use gesture navigation instead of the 3 buttons because the 3 buttons will burn in.
My SO watches a lot of YouTube so his 3a had burn in where the video usually is (like the top 1/3 of the device).
Still there’s notification bar and its icons. But yeah, in general it might not get a big issue or it might.
Yea, my 2nd gen Airpods are cooked after 4½ years of use. I get maybe 45min to an hour of battery and they’re tinny and quiet and the microphones speed working. A far cry from their performance when they were new but for listening to podcasts on the go they’re still good enough…
I’d consider 4.5 years quite good to be honest. I still dislike the idea of built-in expiration date, but it’s still a good time. Average is probably lower and closer to 2 years. LiIon batteries usually survive around 600-1000 charge cycles, more if you don’t use top 20% of the voltage range but no one is doing that these days. Maximum capacity starts dropping really fast, after some 2-3 months of use, as it’s frequently noticed with laptop batteries. So I’d say 4.5 years is about at the tail end of that expected maximum life. Wish they made batteries replaceable. But soon they will be thanks to EU.
I mean, let’s be honest, earbuds have always kind of been consumables. Before wireless, when the cable eventually broke, you had to get new ones. Now, it’s when the battery dies. The difference is, AirPods 2 are 150€ and EarPods, which are basically the same thing, just wired, are 20€…
OLED screen it will show ghosting for sure after same period of time
Is the ghosting somehow related with the AOD?
That is a feature that I always have off in mine, and I have it since 2020 using it daily and no issues about this so far.
Always online displays are more prone to this. Manufacturers mitigate this by moving numbers around, like screen saver. Simply put OLED screens emit light, instead of filtering it like LCD. Am not quite sure why they degrade over time, but they do… especially blue diodes. But how fast this forms really depends on usage patterns. Whether you like bright screen or not, whether you have AOD, whether there’s elements always visible on screen (back button, clock, etc). With my own devices at 3 years of use there wasn’t any signs but they start showing after that. My mom who uses the same device, after changing the screen, has this happen to her not even a year in.
My Nexus 4 from 2012 still works. It’s also running Android 13.
Every nexus phone I had (I owned 3) broke after 1 - 2 years of use T_T
Some of those nexus phones were duds. Bought my wife a Nexus 5X when they came out, it was already acting up that Christmas. We’ve all had hooptie phones somewhere along the line, but pretty much everyone I talked to that had a 5X or a 6P at the time seemed to be having major issues with them.
I still have one. I would be happy to install A13 if you have a link. Thanks!
You can prolly get it at xda
I’m going to check that
8 years would be the Nexus 6P. I booted mine up last year and aside from the faulty SoC it’s still a perfectly usable phone. Those dual front facing speakers are still great. Battery life is poor, but then it was poor to begin with.
I think we’ve also plateaued in terms of features. A phone in 2030 will probably have a brighter screen and slightly better camera, but outside of synthetic benchmarks I doubt it’s going to look or feel any different than the Pixel 8 will in day to day use.
Not even sure we will have phones by then, they probably will more or less be fully handheld computers. I mean they are pretty much already that, but you get some good storage and flexibility in operating systems, some sort of keyboard config, and I don’t even think laptops will be very common. My point is, I don’t think a phone from today will even be relevant in 2030.
How is the battery after that long?
I use my pixel xl every day for two years and now it has a 10 min battery life. It’s no longer a working phone and just a extra screen that’s permanently plugged in.
I had a nexus 3 until the Pixel 4A released and it had replaceable original batteries for 8€.
Piss poor. 7 years of OS support, but I can almost guarantee you the hardware will die within 2 years.
California just passed a law that should affect the Pixel, and would require Google to provide replacement parts for the phone for 7 years also
Something something exemption for “game consoles”.
Good thing the Pixel 8 is bad at gaming /j
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My pixel 5 is still doing well and that’s 3 years old, only gave it up as it’s out of support
To be completely fair, I am extremely salty towards Google’s hardware division. I had a Pixel 3’s storage get corrupted and stopped booting about 7 months after purchase, and they refused to repair it or replace it (under warranty!) because I couldn’t prove I was the original owner. I was, but I couldn’t find the receipt. They eventually just stopped responding to me.
I tried again with the Pixel 6 recently and ran into so many weird OS glitches that my wife’s Samsung S20 didn’t have, and that resetting / updating didn’t fix that I eventually just sold it and washed my hands of ever buying Google hardware again.
I have a Pixel4A bought on launch and its holding up well. It lost about 10% maximum charge since then and with fast charging it got so hot that my screen protector fell off after 6 months. So I had to switch screen protector brand.
Ear buds no way.
Phone, would work fine though might have a bad battery at the end. But should still work ok.
essentially zero. google churn and burn hardware by making it very badly.
This smells like advertisement
Hahaha so true.
People are right to worry about the phone’s battery. If you want to keep it that long, get a 500mA charger and slow charge it every night and avoid deep discharge.
There is nothing wrong with just replacing the battery after a few years.
Worrying that much about battery health is a pain.
Seriously, life is too short for battery anxiety.
It’s pretty cheap too (compared to a new phone).
I thought this was fixed/debunked years ago?
it is. modern Smartphones have Software which prevent damage to the battery
Charging above a certain speed, does degrade the battery faster. Thinking that by slow charging your battery will last any noticeable time longer is where this all falls apart.
Right, which is why the Pixel still charges slow af(25W). It’s really because it’s a single cell battery, the phones with really high charge speeds are multi cell arrays. Each cell can be individually charged at similar wattage to the pixel but with a much smaller cell size it appears to charge faster. I think the OnePlus is the one that is advertised to charge ridiculously fast, iirc it is a 4 cell array, which is why it can charge at 100W (25W per cell). Technically the same speed as the pixel but you’re simply charging 4 smaller batteries at once.
The charge speed to degradation is actually based on the battery capacity. Single cell vs multi cell won’t make a difference there. That has to do more with the way the charger is setup.
This combined with adaptive charge would mean you will probably wake up with a dead battery.
Adaptive charging only works with PPS or PD in my experience.
Adaptive charging just charges at full speed until it gets to 80%. It then maintains that level until 2-3 hours before the time the alarm is set for, and then it charges to 100%. A 500ma charger likely wouldn’t be able to fully charge the phone while a normal person sleeps (depends on the starting charge level of course), but the worst that adaptive charging wouldn’t do anything that would lead to the battery being dead
That would be dumb
I still using pixel 3 from 2018 running the lastest update of android with custom ROM
I’m in the same boat. Pixel 2 XL with a custom ROM. Battery life isn’t great but it works. The biggest pain is multitasking as apps have to reload when switching sometimes.
That was why I got rid of the pixel 2. The newer ones are soooo much better without the reloading issue. I got a pixel 5 for $150 on back market. Totally worth it and an amazing deal really.
Hmm, that’s not a bad idea. I was looking at the recent Pixel 8 Pro, but waiting for more long-term reviews. Google Fi is giving $400 off so it’s not a terrible deal.
Actually using that right now as my main Pixel 6 is broken after it slipped from my hand and i accidentally threw it at a wall
With how awful my P6 is ageing I wouldn’t count on it…
Me not trusting pixel phones toast more than 2-4 years is the reason I still won’t buy another one. If I see people actually still use the p8 by 2030 I might buy one again.
What’s wrong with your P6? My P6 Pro is almost 2 years old and it’s still working great.
Network connectivity is barely functional, I did look into having it replaced but I was told I couldn’t since it’s appearently not a manufacturing issue.
The battery lasts maybe 2 hours of screen on time, when I commute to work I have to charge before I get on the train home. It also overheats like crazy. It gets really uncomfortable in my hands…
The camera takes awfully oversharpened images, overuses HDR and everything comes out looking like digital noise.
The fingerprint scanner is awful. It is always faster to use a pattern to unlock my device. Often it doesn’t work at all and I’ve just disabled it now cause it failing to work kept locking me out of important apps.
Bluetooth connectivity keeps failing, and other basic functions like the led flashlight go unresponsive very frequently
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did not have problems with network connectivity
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battery lasts decent amount and doesnt overheat for me, you may have some kind of heavy background program running on your system
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That is kind of a thing with google camera, other camera apps seem to do fine
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Fingerprint scanner for me is great
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I do not use bluetooth much, so i cannot really comment on this, but i haven’t had any issues with flashlight
I am jealous of your experience :') I would love to love this phone
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I also use a Pixel 6 (for at least a year, probably longer).
For me, the battery, camera, fingerprint and bluetooth work great.
The only issue I also experience is network connectivity sometimes stopping for a few seconds for no apparent reason. (I also dislike that if I enable mobile data, the phone basically completely stops scanning for wifi, and only connects to wifi if I manually connect using the wifi settings.)
(eta: I use GrapheneOS)
Does graphemeOS give complications with banking apps?
Last time I used a custom ROM I was locked out of online banking, which is quite the deal breaker for me…
If it isn’t I might just give that a try
My banking app works flawlessly, even without Google Play services installed.
Here’s a list of banking apps’ compatibility with GrapheneOS. (I don’t know how accurate this list is as a whole, but it’s accurate for my banking app).
Ohhh thats such a useful resource! I’ll try it on my OP5t and if it works I might switch over and get rid of Google services finally
Edit: Oh graphene is pixel devices only? Dang… Might be tok risky for me then
I’ve had mine for 4 years at a time. And I change for convenience, not because they break down.
Edit: Went through the order history. I wasn’t entirely correct. More like 3 years at a time. But, I didn’t have to upgrade either.
- 2012 Nexus 4
- 2015 Nexus 6P
- 2018 Pixel XL
- 2021 Pixel 4a
- 2023 Pixel 7
My phone history is
-samsung gamaxy S3 mini
-Nexus 6 (2014/15?-2017)
-oneplus 5t (2017-2021)
-Pixel 6 (2021-now)
So I don’t change out frequently either but I do think this will be my shortest time if using a phone this far.
My only fears is that made by Google. They can decide not to support it 3 years later. But you’ll have roms for maybe even more then 10 years.
For me is all about security updates, I’ll be using GrapheneOS once it’s available.
I don’t think you’ll have a problem. Google’s phones are usually among the most supported by custom ROM developers. Even if GrapheneOS ceases to exist, you’ll likely find a replacement that supports the Pixel 8.
pixel phones do already have long support times tho
If I recall correctly, it used to be around 2-3 years, far less than the promised 10 years.
Get a thick 2 piece rubber/plastic case. Make sure the edge of the case sticks out significantly from the screen, so when you drop it, it will hit the case before the phone. (Provided you don’t drop it on gravel or something pointy)
My pixel 3a has survived years of this. And I haven’t needed to replace it yet. Sure the plastic is scuffed to hell and back, and it ads significant thickness. but it’s yet to fail in protecting my phone. And I’ve never bought a screen protector for it.
For me the screen protector is one of the most important things. I use an insulin pump, which is always in my pocket, and that means my keys are in the other pocket because they otherwise get impossibly tangled in the pump cord. The phone is also going in one front pocket or the other, because I don’t like sitting on phones or keys. I’ve only had my Pixel 8 Pro for 4 or 5 days at this point, and there’s already small scuffs on the screen protector. I usually have to change them every 5-6 months because they get so bad. Your mileage may vary, but it’s absolutely essential for me, ain’t no Gorilla Glass strong enough for the war my phones go through.
It will definitely outrun stadia
Wait where’s stadia
Slim, after some years they will quietly drop the support, or only provide security updates.
At best they will exclude a Buch of Features and roll out a dumb version of the os upgrade.
And the battery will be a husk of its former self.
Wild that a battery charged daily would lose its charge quicker after years of use and apps will evolve to be more powerful and require more resources thereby draining more battery. Just an insane thought, really.
if only we knew that this would happen and could plan for it by designing phones to have replaceable batteries
Impossible. Such a thing has never been done before - it’s not like that was standard for practically every android phone for years
In 2-3 years the phone scene might radically change with the EU law. You might not even want to use this till 2030.
🙄 I’m sure having a removable battery is going to make me want to spend $700 on a wasteful new phone and definitely not spend $90 to have the current one replaced.
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Come back when you’ve used a retirement calculator.
Maybe Google knows what’s coming and they want everyone to buy and keep a lot of the last ‘optional privacy’ phone before EU laws shut down future phones.
EU bullshit only effects the EU, the rest of the planet doesnt have to give a shit. Everybody that wants privacy, has as much as we can get, now. The EU laws, aside from Google ignoring them at will wont change much. It cute that you beleive otherwise, especially given the EUs last attempt to totally undermine your privscy with their hatred of encryption and love of backdoors made just for them, but sure, THEY will be the ones to protect you…LOL. The EU gov’t is literally Google, all about security and privacy, it just doesnt apply to them.
I partially agree with you.
There’s been some regulations by the EU that I strongly disagree with. (weakening encryption)
There’s also some regulations I strongly agree with (forcing apple (and others) to adopt usb c, GDPR, opt in to marketing and tracking, right to be forgotten)
I can see why you might think that EU regulations only apply to the EU, but where changes are significant enough for a manufacturer, they might not create multiple hardware and software setups in different markets (see usbc in iphones). There’s also knock on effects in other markets (califorinia, Brazil, india, all have their own version of GDPR)
I feel like I’ve got you wound up, that wasn’t my intent! I was trying to be tongue in cheek. I do believe in regulation though, so maybe that’s where we disagree. Sorry ol’ chap!
Agreed, although the EU (may) have sped up USB C adoption for the phones, clearly Apple was doing that either way, the writing was on the wall with their other things going that way in prior years along with them always trying to make all their shit use the same stuff.
I’m all for the privacy aspect, when its not undone for themselves, and have all those same benefits as my states privscy laws do all the same stuff, a handful of US states do as well with more being passed every year. Everybody outside the US for some reason only thinks CA has those laws, not the case, but CA is very vocal about it.
Not riled up at all, bit it just gets tiring that while EU people on one end seem to be aware of all the privacy violations happening, then pretend that the GDPR is some holy doctrine that saves them from it all, anybody with an IQ above room temperature knows that’s now how it works. Laws give a process for punishment after the fact, they rarely stop anything from happening. No shortage of companies figure out fines from stuff like that as a cost of doing business. We need them, but once you’re now “safe” because of them, thats whem you’ve left reality. If laws worked that way we wouldn’t need police or prisons, because there’d be no crime.
Just an FYI, I’m not an “EU person”
I’m a senior leader in a tech organisation. My teams and I frequently need to implement solutions that are compliant with market specific regulations (which have global reach), so I am some what familiar with them.
The EU is broadly doing a good job in my opinion, the US has room for improvement!
