To the dismay of some of their Democratic colleagues, Squad members’ reactions to Hamas’ attack included decrying the “cycle of violence” between Israelis and Palestinians and demanding an end to U.S. military assistance to Israel.

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    9 months ago

    Yeah, I’m increasingly of the position that the most reasonable solution is to end aid and offer voluntary dissolution of Israel. If a joint Palestinian state akin to modern South Africa is wanted that’s cool. If it’s better to just import Israelis to the nation they went there from that’s fine too. When Israel sees this as a “do war crimes or your family dies” they do war crimes.

    Apartheid states have ended. Sometimes it went poorly like in the United States and South Africa, sometimes it went so much worse like in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. But we can’t keep propping this state up and supplying them with weapons.

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      If it’s better to just import Israelis to the nation they went there from that’s fine too.

      Israel is full of people who were born there, who have never lived anywhere else, and - as the recent anti-Netanyahu protests have shown - want their nation to be a free, open, democratic society.

      I don’t see how deporting them to a county they’ve never even been to and giving their land to somebody else is any different than what was done to Palestinians in the creation of the state of Israel.

      I would prefer solutions to look at the current status, as it exists today, and seek a solution that minimizes suffering for everyone involved - regardless of the history of how we arrived at this situation, and certainly without using that history to justify even more suffering.

      This is not a pro-Isreal or pro-Palestinian position, by the way.

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        True, and one answer would be expedited citizenship for any Israeli willing to cede their Israeli citizenship. But there’s a certain hypocrisy in saying that with that as an American where it’d be taking people from one settler colonial nation to another. And leaving the Palestinians with a lot of rubble that once was infrastructure isn’t great either. Offering Palestinians refugee to citizen pathways as well may also help.

        And yeah I do believe that there are quite a few Israelis who want a shared secular state. That state is what I believe to be the ideal path to peace. But it isn’t my land or my conflict. I’m just someone from the country that keeps arming one side and helped raise and radicalize Netanyahu. My scope is more in line with what my country can do without causing problems