The parable has nothing to do with predestination and every christian sect besides calvinism believes in conversion. I really can’t see where are you coming from with this comment.
Yea, I can see now how it can be interpreted that way. “Conversion only comes from a divine act of God” does sound closer to the belief in predestination than the interpretation of the parable I’m more familiar with
copy pasting from my other post to save effort since I keep having the same objection brought up to me.
This image isn’t just a parable by itself. It’s also paired with a spoonfed interpretation and a question/answer quiz format (turn the page upside down to see the “correct” answer to our loaded question!).
the only reason any of us turns to God is because He gave us that grace. Some people have to live their whole lives without God’s Grace until the very end, but some of us have been given grace all our lives.
That is absolutely a veiled appeal to predestination. If your conversion to Christianity isn’t of your own free will, but rather because God ordained that you would receive His grace at some point in your life that He predetermined, then that is a form of predestination.
I don’t see how anyone could get Communism out of this either, since the point of the story isn’t the egalitarianism of some boss paying all workers the exact same amount of money regardless of how much they worked (which isn’t what Communism is anyway… bosses hiring people under Communism?! Even the most incomplete interpretation of Marxism shouldn’t lead to this.) but it’s a strained analogy for predestined religious conversion. The Boss hiring workers is God. The workers are souls. The day is the life of the soul. workers who get hired at the end of the day are “saved” at the end of their life by God’s grace. The workers hired at the beginning of the day are “saved” at the beginning of their life by God’s grace. The boss decides who gets saved by deciding who gets hired. The workers who don’t get hired at all are not saved by God’s grace and go to hell. This third part is left out of the story but it’s there by implication. After all, what is God saving us from? Eternal separation from God. i.e. Damnation. Which is hell.
The parable has nothing to do with predestination and every christian sect besides calvinism believes in conversion. I really can’t see where are you coming from with this comment.
From the text: “The only reason anyone turns to God is because He gave us that grace.”
Sounds like predestination to me. Or perhaps they mean to say that God changed his mind at the last minute? Or something. It’s not super clear.
Yea, I can see now how it can be interpreted that way. “Conversion only comes from a divine act of God” does sound closer to the belief in predestination than the interpretation of the parable I’m more familiar with
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copy pasting from my other post to save effort since I keep having the same objection brought up to me.
This image isn’t just a parable by itself. It’s also paired with a spoonfed interpretation and a question/answer quiz format (turn the page upside down to see the “correct” answer to our loaded question!).
That is absolutely a veiled appeal to predestination. If your conversion to Christianity isn’t of your own free will, but rather because God ordained that you would receive His grace at some point in your life that He predetermined, then that is a form of predestination.
I don’t see how anyone could get Communism out of this either, since the point of the story isn’t the egalitarianism of some boss paying all workers the exact same amount of money regardless of how much they worked (which isn’t what Communism is anyway… bosses hiring people under Communism?! Even the most incomplete interpretation of Marxism shouldn’t lead to this.) but it’s a strained analogy for predestined religious conversion. The Boss hiring workers is God. The workers are souls. The day is the life of the soul. workers who get hired at the end of the day are “saved” at the end of their life by God’s grace. The workers hired at the beginning of the day are “saved” at the beginning of their life by God’s grace. The boss decides who gets saved by deciding who gets hired. The workers who don’t get hired at all are not saved by God’s grace and go to hell. This third part is left out of the story but it’s there by implication. After all, what is God saving us from? Eternal separation from God. i.e. Damnation. Which is hell.
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