They already have a platform It’s called 4chan
And Voat and Gab and Truth
Well, not Voat any more.
Didn’t voat shut down?
Ahh, I wasn’t aware
And Parler, which is just as dead as the other three.
See, that’s the thing: there’s a reason why all of the “free speech” (read: nazi safe space) services are either dead or dying. It’s because the nazis don’t actually want their own platform; instead, they specifically want to come infest everybody else’s in order to spread their hate. They’re less a community, and more a disease.
Is there a running list of bigot instances that I can block?
Ah yes, block entire instances en masse without the hassle of actually making the decision yourself, that would be nice
I run my own instance so that i can take a little control over the drivel that scrolls past my eyes. Far right ideologies don’t deserve a platform or an audience.
Yeah, free speech simply means that you won’t get arrested for being an asshole. It doesn’t mean you’re entitled to be bigoted on a service someone else is hosting. This could be a single person hosting a pet as a hobby, or a corporation at a large scale. It doesn’t matter as long as it’s a third-party that you don’t own.
If people want to be jerks on purpose without others getting involved, they can find their own place to share ideas or host a service themselves. And if they don’t like people challenging their ideas, they can block them too, because they have that right on their own stuff.
Some people believe that hate and discrimination is the new normal and should be condoned by everyone. If it’s a religion thing, perhaps they should reconsider what aspects of “blind” is important in blind faith? Regardless, it’s incredible how people find these unfounded hills to die on.
Besides, their hate is directed towards what’s fashionable at the time. “Owning slaves” and “owning women” was once something people fought for. Later, when human rights started getting voted into law, their disagreement started to be expressed through bigotry.
But now that society doesn’t have much room to be racist or sexist, they are migrating to other groups they don’t like. Did they generally decide that they were wrong about their previously-targeted groups? And they’re positive that the new groups are the right groups to hate? Or perhaps some people just have a chip on their shoulder and want to hate using whatever mental gymnastics are necessary to validate themselves?
Regardless, social media is just a way for people to talk to each other, hosted by a person or a group. In terms of what’s allowed to be said, technology is irrelevant. If someone invites you to dinner for the first time, and you’re blatantly racist, you’ll probably get kicked out. Social media, hosted by others, presents exactly the same set of circumstances, no matter if your voice goes through a webserver and a database first or not.
How do yoy feel about far left ideologies?
Evergreen meme:
Love ‘em!
Pretty good, those are the best.
Considering it’s their own instance, it doesn’t matter.
Imagine thinking far left and far right are equivalent.
Right wing extremists burn people alive, while left wing extremists burn cars.
Obviously the latter is far worse as it could be my car but I don’t own any humans.
pretty based ngl
Idk, gonna be a very hot take, but I like my beliefs challenged and believe that everyone deserves a voice
Deserving a voice is in no way the same as deserving an audience.
Fascism isn’t an ideology that gets defeated in the marketplace of ideas. It’s core belief is enabling a small minority to violently destroy other lives. It’s not worth your consideration.
The problem is, this isn’t just a challenge to beliefs. This is the internet. The darkest most depraved shit that can exist… does. People forcing children to do things with animals… I’ll stop there…
The U.S. constitution supports free speech. Even it has limits. You can’t yell fire in a movie theater and not face the consequences of injuries your speech causes.
You in fact can yell fire in a theater without being arrested. It depends on the context (and weather or not there where injuries)
If the play calls for it and an actor says it. Or more simply if the theater is on fire.
With speech laws it matters more what the context is to the intended audience than what is specifically said.
Did I not mention being responsible for injuries? Your absolutely right, but you’re not correct…
Go test your theory out, I’ll be waiting for a reply.
I will next time I’m in a theater that is on fire.
Idk, gonna be a very hot take, but I like my beliefs challenged and believe that everyone deserves a voice
Nazis had a voice once, and folks listened to them. And we ended up with the Holocaust.
Might be controversial but I don’t believe that people who want to murder minorities deserve a voice. I feel like that’s a pretty reasonable bar to set lol.
Might be controversial but I don’t believe that people who want to murder minorities deserve a voice. I feel like that’s a pretty reasonable bar to set lol.
It’s not controversial at all. The only people making “controversy” out of it are the ones who are mad they can’t spew hate
Sure, but did they actually say they want to murder minorities?? I’m yet to see that
I agree with this, but some beliefs are well… utterly stupid and not worth reconsidering. It’s a waste of time really.
It’s the deciding which ones are worthless that gets dangerous, particularly when “worthless” involves prison sentences.
It’s the deciding which ones are worthless that gets dangerous
Not making a decision is in and of itself a decision. Saying ‘Nazis deserve a voice because everyone deserves a voice’ removes the voice of minorities because Nazis murder and oppress minorities. There is a decision that has to be made somewhere. Saying ‘everyone deserves a voice and Nazis deserve a platform!’ is limiting the voice of minorities.
Could you clarify?
Sure. In authoritarian states, it’s common to outlaw “lies” about the government, where the government essentially gets to define what a lie is. The United States has its history with such laws in the Alien and Sedition Act in the late 18th century. In more modern times, you see things like Russia outlawing “lies” about the Russo-Ukraine War (including calling it a war). And by lies, I mean anything that does not match Russia’s “everything is fine” narrative. There’s also Poland banning discussion of Nazi collaboration by Poles in 2018.
I definitely separate that from things like deplatforming. Both people and companies should have freedom of association when it comes to political opinions. They should never be forced to support speech that they disagree with.
Which Lemmy instance was it that suspended Habeas Corpus?
None of them. Lemmy instances defederating are the epitome of another freedom, freedom of association. People should be able to choose who and who not to associate with without interference from the government.
It’s actually a limp ice cold take that’s been debated to death
So you ban the “everyone deserves a voice” types? Because that’s what I said.
@kityr don’t try and sealion your way around making excuses for nazis
Tf is to sealion?? And I’d like to see the nazis you seem to be unable to not mention in a comment. What I’ve seen is that instances are defederating from exploding-heads. I’ve gone there, seen some edgier memes, some christianity oriented memes, some better memes(those three not being the same memes obv, the Biden ones are pretty unfunny). I’ve seen some honestly sensible policies - instead of banning people for using le bad words, they encourage people who are sensitive to such stuff to block and move on. You seem to call people fucking Nazis for using language that offends you, right?
The world came together in WWII and decided that Nazis didn’t deserve a place at the table. There’s a difference between “let’s decide whose economic policy is more useful now” and “hey I want everyone to have a nice life and these guys think a large chunk of the world doesn’t deserve to live at all.”
I like my beliefs challenged
you like it when “other people should be treated as people as a bare minimum” is getting challenged? because that’s the belief that your average xeno-/homo-/transphobic asshole challenges. Many beliefs I have ought to be challenged on the regular, but not THAT one
Nazi’s deserve to be named, shamed, and ignored.
Blocking instances actually makes the lives of instance admins a lot easier. It not only reduces a whole chunk of problematic content for you to moderate, but it also encourages Nazis to go to the servers you block instead of yours. Nazis can’t subscribe to the subs they want to on your server, and they get banned if they say Nazi shit, so they just leave and go to a Nazi server instead. It’s like fly paper for Nazis lol.
As a Mastodon admin with a few thousand users, I rarely see Nazi content that I have to moderate. And that’s because when I started I spent an enormous amount of time sifting through every server we federated with and blocking all of the Nazis and all the pedos and all the TERFs. And because I did that at the start, I only get maybe 10 reports a week, none of them are content that would traumatize me (almost always spam), and I also helped the servers that now use my list to do the same.
Blocking instances not only makes it easier for me to do my job, it encourages other admins to not tolerate these kinds of behaviors as well. Because if they don’t moderate well, that attracts Nazis, and then we have to limit or ban them because we’re volunteers. So everyone just ends up blocking the shittiest servers and moderates their user base well. It’s a win/win for everyone.
Nazis are not entitled to access to minorities on my server. TERFs are not entitled to access to trans users on my server. Assholes are not entitled to have access to an audience on my server. There are tons of white supremacists or TERFs or other assholes hosting plenty of other servers where they can go and do that. But I don’t want that on servers I host and my users don’t want that on servers I host. If you truly believe free speech is such a big fucking deal, then you are welcome to leave and join one of those rotting servers as well. See how fun that is for you and how long it takes for you to come crawling back.
There is! Browse by instances like lemmy.blahaj.zone/instances, beehaw.org/instances or lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances. They have the most up to date list of people-commonly-disagreed-with-by-lefties. You can start blocking right away 😊
The problem with these lists is that people sneak things on to them.
I’m an admin on (and owner of) lemmy.ninja. We have clear anti-harassment rules, up front, in bold, front page. We have zero bots (checked daily). We have users that are LGBTQIA+. I have zero tolerance for bigotry.
Yet our site is on the lists provided.
Apparently it doesn’t matter (the lists don’t work) because all of my cross posts (from my boomer shooter community) are available on beehaw.org in their gaming section.
So these lists can be used as weapons, if they work. When thy don’t work they are just an indictment without evidence.
Yet our site is on the lists provided.
you’re wrong, your site is allowed by all the lists I mentioned.
So these lists can be used as weapons, if they work
These lists are not weapons, they are provided by the instances themselves. They are not false or artificial. They are current, and they display exactly what is real in the configuration of the servers.
The issue is if these lists end up being blindly copied based on trust, and instances that don’t deserve to be banned end up being banned by dozens of instances just because they’re copying lists.
Something similar happened with Twitter banlists. A lot of the accounts were trolls and fascists and whatnot, but oftentimes someone with progressive views who is just a little controversial ends up on a banlist and banned by half of Twitter because one guy decided to stick him on a widely used banlist.
While you did clarify for MrEUser. I will say that they could be weaponized if they are just taken by instances without understanding why they were blocked by the originating instance (especially if it is a larger one). It is obviously up to the instance creators to research things. So I am not saying that it is the same as Reddit outright banning links to sites.
But I think it is fair to consider that since many of the sites that are blocked are either linking possibly illegal or openly bigoted content. That plenty of others will think that all the blocked instances are doing those things. All because the more mainstream a site becomes with “normies”, they just see it as black and white (like they do with lots of real world things). While the actual case is that the ones that aren’t doing those things might just be blocked due to more nuanced reasons. Maybe it is simply differences in politics or maybe even just the creator trying to only federate with instances of the same language in order to make sure everyone can read the posts/comments.
That doesn’t mean that instances being able to block other instances is automatically bad or anything. It is very helpful to be able to openly see which instances are and aren’t allowed. Which is at least surface level transparent for users and potential users. And can be used for creators of instances that might have been blocked to reach out and work things out if it was blocked. Which is something that (to my knowledge) all the major social media sites do not offer and tend to hide. Preferring shadowbans and only openly admitting it if it is super problematic (like bigots or openly illegal stuff).
I can somehow agree with a few things you say, but overall I think the premise is wrong. The fact is not that most blocks or even half the blocks are due to having illegal or bad content. I also don’t know any defederation based on language or any such matter (especially since languages seen is already solved by your profile selection of language). Most blocks are automated, especially for instances that have trouble handling bot sign-ups, or those that have moderation issues. I think that the assumptions that one can make are indeed dangerous but they’re not based in reality, but in imaginary facts about what defederation means. Obviously, since we’re growing very fast, I agree that newcomers and less technically minded people may believe this is the case and use blocklists to justify random assumptions. But in the end, they would be entirely wrong, and wrong assumptions can be made about practically anything, so I wouldn’t put much value or thought into the possible wraponizationability of instance defederation lists.
So these lists are both block AND allow lists? Or are they just allow lists?
There are 3 categories in settings on your server, as far as I know: Linked, Allowed and Blocked. I don’t know the difference between Linked and Allowed, but yes, these links contain multiple lists on the same page. The format is the following: https://domain.tld/instances, you will normally find from 1 to 3 lists there, (the Linked, Allowed and Blocked lists). Linked is normal, Blocked is defederated. Idk what Allowed is but I think it is also federated so 🤷
Linked are servers that your server knows about (that have communicated with it)
Allowed, or the allow-list, if present means that the server can only federate with servers in the allow list. This is the most restrictive setting possible.
Block, or disallow-list, means that these servers may not federate with yours. This is where servers go generally when they are “defederated”.
Damn I think beehaw is there? I think they have an allow list.
Thank you for the clarification. The problem I have is:
Note that dbzer0 on the federation-checker.vercel.app shows we are being blocked. fba.ryona.agency shows that too, and apparently we are edgelords,don’t moderate, and have done something wrong with free speech…
So something somewhere is broken…
The problem with dbzer0 is the same we had talked about before (edit: I talked with someone else from lemmy.ninja about this topic, your instance was blocked before). It’s old news. It’s from when you had a bot problem. Ryona has a cache and doesn’t clear it too often.
The problem with toot.foundation has nothing to do with that, though. I have no idea why they would block you. You can find the up to date list of blocked instances on a mastodon by going to the https://instance.tld/about. For example, for toot.foundation, which does block lemmy.ninja, here is the updated blocklist at the bottom, you have to click Moderated servers: https://toot.foundation/about
That sucks to be you. Enjoy being seen as a right-wing extremist no matter your personal or professional actions.
P.S. asking for evidence is racist and enables harassment (they genuinely believe this)
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yup, they block many things, so if u wanna block many many things, why not start looking at what ppl who block many many things block?
Gab users be like
unfortunately there are a ton of fascists and fascist instances on fedi
Most get fedederated. Once I got raided by Nazis on Mastodon who sent me a lot of dead threats and poorly made anti trans. I messaged my friend who manages the backend of our instance and we defederated like 20 instances that day.
Most get fedederated.
“fe-dead-erated”
LOL, now that’s a spicy malapropism!
Is defederation the ban of a server from interacting with yours?
If your instance defederates from another one both dont get updates of the other instance anymore which means that you cant interact with any community or user on that instance. I dont know if the content from before the defederation also gets made unavailable or if it is still up.
We’re making fun of the people. They’re welcome to use the fedi, and it’s for everyone. But they’re still dumbass Nazis lol. We defederate because we don’t want to hear their same copy&paste racist talking points over and over.
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[‘Let me in’ - a two panel image of a man standing outside a closed metal gate, and shaking it vigorously in the second panel. This variant has the face of a yelling Adolph Hitler placed over the usual face in the meme, and a Nazi symbol swastika is placed on the person’s left bicep in the first panel. The fediverse logo, a rainbow pentagram, is positioned over the gate in the first panel]
LET ME IN
LET ME INNNNNN!!!
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I love that this is being continued here. Where are y’all organizing?
As of right now, I’m transcribing freelance. I’m not sure if or when an organized effort will move to Lemmy.
Good human
They probably won’t ever stay fully out, since anyone can make an instance, just up to mods and individuals to block them and not federate with obvious natzi communities.
Utopia has always been a process, never a destination. You will never be able to elect humans that will act in your interests forever. You must stay alert and aware of the happenings around you and constantly advocate for yourself and those who can’t.
Nazi leemings… Go fuck yourself!
Some real controversial hot take right here
It was a play on “nazi punks fuck off” and “Russian Warship, Go Fuck Yourself”. But have it you’re way.
Lemmy in!
Please Lemmy off Mr. Huffman’s wild ride!..
I hope the nazis do stay out because I was really excited for voat for about a day until it became nazi town
You can’t hope they stay out. Admins and moderators have to take active steps to push them out. I want to give some kudos to lemmy.world for getting out in front of this, and I want to name and shame sh.itjust.works for having a vote in their agora community almost a week ago and then proceeding to do nothing
Moderating is time consuming, tedious and done by volunteers. I’m not surprised that they get overrun after the latest influx of users.
It’s why my primary instance of beehaw elected to just defederate and sort things out later instead of desperately trying to navigate a flood of scumbags. The key will be implementing better tools and getting more people on board for community curation
Which is why the very first question an instance admin or moderator needs to think about and answer for all to hear is “how will you handle Nazis?”
I received a modest amount of downvotes on the big R for saying something similar.
I also commented (well, asked a rhetorical question but definitely got answers) here a couple of days ago that places that claim to be for free thought and expression tend to be full of either harmful garbage or nonsense conspiracy theories.
All it’s going to take is one instance that isn’t defederated with a jailbait community or someone with a poorly trained militia planning an act of terrorism to get Lemmy or kbin painted with the “great place for pedos” or “Nazi haven” brush.
I think I saw a post about how punk bars have an absolute 0-nazi policy because there isn’t a real between a bar with nazis and a nazi bar. Other people will leave, nazis will realize they’re safe there.
I think the thing that makes lemmy and kbin difficult concepts for normies will also protect it from blanket association with nazis if one instance is infiltrated. Most people don’t fully understand the distinction between the shared protocol and a site’s domain.
People might think “lemmy is full of nazis”, but it won’t mean anything to them if I say i’m hanging out on midwest.social. To them it’ll just sound like a regional blog website.
I was looking forward to Voat but all the hateful/pedo subs migrating to it were bound to turn it into a cesspool.
Wasn’t voat created because reddit was banning hate subs?
No, it was just where the people from those subs decided to go and ruin.
How I felt about Gab until they did the same and quickly. Like the mods and administrators were nazi and racist too.
Out of the loop. Can someone give me a short explanation?
Sorry for hijacking your comment, it’s the first one that popped up for me when I opened this thread.
If you’re just discovering this post, trust me, it’s not worth reading. The comments are 50% nazis and 50% morons. There is no discourse ahead, only name calling, denouncing, whataboutism, and some really fucked up thoughts and people. You don’t need this in your day. You already know that nazis are bad, and nazis aren’t the only bad people. Go to illegallysmolcats instead
The instance at exploding-heads.com got defederated from by a lot of instances and among them the largest one lemmy.world
It happened due to them allowing hatespeech like “tranny faggot”. Top post now is complaining about how the rest is sensitive libs and in the same breath call “Joe Biden is a pedo”. They’re throwing a tantrum about how they’re getting cancelled because they can’t smell the shit under their own shoe.It’s not necessary to repeat the hate speech they got defederated over, you can just say “transphobic/homophobic slurs”.
But the words themselves don’t mean anything more than the context they’re used in. I absolutely think you should be able to freely write the bad words that you are talking about to better explain what happened instead of censoring it. It’s obvious that op used it to spread information and not in a negative context, isn’t it?
Yes, there’s a difference between use and mention, but slurs are still slurs even outside of a negative context or without hateful intent.
Repeating slurs isn’t always necessary and can sometimes still be emotionally draining for the targetted group to see even outside of the negative context. Just something to keep in mind.
I completely respect your opinion! And I see where you are coming from.
Like always, the intolerant people expect to be tolerated, and when they aren’t they bitch about free speech
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Fuck fascism mkay
some of you need to stop calling everything you don’t like a nazi
Pretty bold comment considering many of the people are actual swastika-waving Nazis. Stop defending them.
I’ll defend anyone’s right to free speech. Doesn’t mean I agree with them.
Their free speech is not being violated, just access to a captive audience.
Free speech is speech that is protected from government regulation or persecution. This is a private platform, and therefore Nazis and their speech can fuck right off.
So yeah, they are absolutely to spew their hateful speech without legal repercussions, but we absolutely do not have to let them do so here.
Preach my man
Their speech hinders the speech of others, particularly the minorities they are violent against. Therefore, allowing them to have a platform goes against free speech. Your right to swing your fist ends at my face.
What you guys over the pond really should learn sometime soon is that free speech doesn’t mean that you can spew any random vile bullshit without repercussions.
In the Fediverse those repercussions are that your audience will be limited to the instance you chose, which honestly considering the content we are talking about is really mild.
Some of the stuff I’ve seen would definitely be illegal in Germany and Austria, and trust me, we have more experience with Nazis than we ever wanted. We have laws in place to at least try to prevent the resurgence of Nazis and this also affects servers like lemmy.world that are hosted at Hetzner in Germany I believe. Not defederating from these people could cause legal repercussions for the server owner and it’s just not worth it, considering the content we are talking about.
i don’t think any of you have so much as peeked over there
Oh I have, actually, and I got to see endless slurs, nazi propaganda images, people calling for the death of minorities, and more. But go off
What if I don’t like Nazis?
Some of you need to get away from the Nazis before they start burning.
oh i’m sorry… you’re actually a patriot and january 6th was a peaceful protest.
I think this reinforces their point. While it’s certainly an extremist group, many of them don’t explicitly identify as Nazis. They are something else that have ideologies that may overlap with Nazis, but it’s incorrect to call all of them Nazis.
It’s important to be accurate and reasonable in these cases. If a group that disagrees with another group makes a claim that is not realistic or simply incorrect, then it makes them less credible, and that weakens their voice.
Additionally, the Nazi party did some nasty, nasty things. If these people are called the literal title of Nazis, then it dilutes the true evil from the history of the real Nazis. You can say they have Nazi-influenced ideologies, or you could call them fascists, but Nazi is a very specific thing.
By the way, Putin overreached the definition of Nazis as a deciding factor in his initial speech about invading Ukraine. I won’t make any commentary on this. Just think about that.
what a weird thing to say
Consider this-the majority of people aren’t using it incorrectly , just to describe people you like?
Okay, we’ll call it “woke” instead.
B-but my disagreement is big! They’re clearly fascists.
Just let them have their of naziverse. I don’t want to see it.
I’m a bit out of loop, are there more info to share about?
There’s a lemmy server where a lot of alt-right and more extreme views have sub-lemmys. It got defederated by Lemmy.World and others and now they’re upset that most people on other servers don’t get to see their hate-speech.
Oh I love more and more lemmy! Its just incredible they can create their own server full of stupid ideas and we stay away from that drama
They’re called “communities”, not “sublemmys”. Lol.
“sublemmys” is a great silly name, though
Hey man I was barely awake.
What server?
Maybe better not say it, so we don’t give them attention
It’s called exploding heads. You can find it through google, but I don’t want to link to it.
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I know people are downvoting because we don’t want to give Nazis publicity, and I agree, but honestly it is good to let people know.
On face value the name can be riot porn like and the tagline about holding elites responsible sounds great. I would have joined if not by a stroke of luck. I came here and afterward heard they were Nazis so I’m glad I missed them but not everyone is so lucky. People should know to be able to avoid Nazis.
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Except that your downvotes are public and then you’ll just be accused of being a Nazi.
This one. (Not a link to the defederated site, rather a link to one of the concern trolls whining about the defederation)
What’s the URI of the defederated server? I want to know in order to stay away from it. Really.
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No. Why would I want to?
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What are you referring to?
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All I’ve seen so far was that there was a (inactive) The_Donald community on one of the bigger instances, which sparked a bit of drama…
I’m sorta embarrassed that it’s on my instance. As you point out it’s inactive. Also our community has been very much active in discussing removing them and what to do about them. We are definitely not complicit in it.
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Nah, there was another thing. Link here
Definitely a good move to defederate that cesspit
Yeah, I’m generally against quickly defederation… But there definitely nothing of value was lost.
All the random posts from that instance that somehow ended up in my “All” board were right-wing and transphobic garbage. And I mean like really low-quality “news” articles, like the shit your racist aunt shares on facebook.
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Good
Fuck the nazis
I’m out of the loop and still new to Lemmy, what happened?
Huge drama surrounding instances that have a major far-right presence and certain instances cutting connections (defederating), while others aren’t (staying federated).
I like how someone put it in another thread. From the “defederaters,” The argument most seen is: “if there’s a nazi at the table and you say nothing, it’s a table full of nazis.” The most common counter-argument is “it’s actually like a stadium full of people with some nazi’s in the corner jerking themselves off.” From the “federators,” the most common argument is “defederation defeats decentralization,” and the most common counter to this is simply: “fuck off nazi!”
I find the whole situation quite extraordinary to see unfold and be a part of.
What stadiums have these people been to where being a Nazi is okay? Stadium staff curate very specific atmospheres, and being a Nazi is an automatic disqualifier
Excellent example of why giant instances are bad ideas. Nazis love forcing you into a “throw the baby out with the bathwater” type choice because it means they can continue their hateful, destructive, genocidal behaviors without consequences. They’re usually not stupid, they know what they’re doing is wrong, they just want to keep getting away with it. So they’ll go nuclear on anyone and everyone in order to maintain their comfy corner of hate.
Any moderator (or stadium owner) who doesn’t give Nazis jerking off in a corner a lifetime ban is negligent, as you said.
Aren’t the instances defederating from exploding heads actually the ones maintaining their comfy corners though
Yes but instead of a comfy corner of hate, it’s a comfy corner without nazis
Coming from ShitJustWorks, I never ever have seen a thread from exploding-heads. They simply do not make it into the feed. And the only reason I saw any posts from TheDonald community while it still existed was because sorting by active was broken and would randomly throw in threads with no traction whatsoever. I can get behind keeping a space hate-free. But currently, there simply is no hate being shown even on instances still federated with exploding-heads.
Do you actually have solid grounds to call all the users of an instance nazis? That’s not something to throw around lightly
Stop running away from Nazi. Most of them are just trolls with a Nazi facemask to scare a reaction out of you. Don’t cede power to them by acting as if their are dangerous. They are clowns, clown them.
They tried to overthrow the federal government last election and are responsible for countless hate crimes and fomenting prejudice and violence against marginalized people, including supporting new fascist laws in the past few years. They are dangerous, their ideology is dangerous, and their speech is used as a weapon to harm people. I’m not running away, I’m saying any “stadium” owner can and should be expected to ban such assholes from the premises. As the saying goes, if a bar owner lets Nazis congregate in the corner of their bar, it’s a Nazi bar. “Not all Germans” physically committed a genocide, but all of them tolerated or endorsed Nazism to the point of allowing it to happen. When good people see evil rising, they get involved and disrupt it, they don’t stay quiet and let it grow.
I don’t think they’re real. Pet theory, they’re actually bigtech henchmen here to fuck shit up so competitors get poisoned and die.
The answer is a more sophisticated user led moderation system that can wipe them off Lemmy like bugs on the windshield. Use wipers, not nuclear bombs.
I don’t think they’re real. Pet theory, they’re actually bigtech henchmen here to fuck shit up so competitors get poisoned and die.
The answer is a more sophisticated user led moderation system that can wipe them off Lemmy like bugs on the windshield. Use wipers, not nuclear bombs.
It isn’t “running away”, its preferring to go to bars where the bouncer will reliably throw nazis out. If these bouncers didn’t toss a nazi, I’d find a bar where they would.
Don’t be surprised when you or one of your friend gets thrown out as well
Main issue is that in a large enough group of people, there are bound to be a few Nazis that slip in and start causing shit.
Going nuclear (defederating) on the whole group before they are aware or can react to this revelation is completely unreasonable. Even more so when the instance owners, moderators and the community are aware and actively down-voting and removing comments and communities.
And the beauty of the fediverse is if you are a Nazi sympathizer, you can pick an instance that federates with assholes!
Plus, I’d rather have those useless fuckers out in the open - it’s easier to hit them that way. Hit them with legal charges is what I meant, of course.
Ahh, the fine line between “must cut all contact with the bad people” and “oh, are we an insular cult now?”
Literally anyone who isn’t a bigot/Nazi is welcome. I’m so sorry if that’s an ‘insular cult’ to you, but to most people that’s just decent company.
It’s not a fine line. More like an 8-lane highway
We have both extremes actually, both ultra left and right. Both got defederated by some major instances.
Who knew distributed social media would be such a good idea
Put all the Nazis in one Instance. Then, defederate them.
Provide the URL to the hate crimes division and the January 6th panel
Love to “defederate” Nazis
:)
But only after reporting them to the legal authorities.
Depends on the country, it’s not illegal to be a Nazi in the USA or Canada for example.
But it’s still a damn good indicator they’re up to no good, and probably can be caught by other laws.
