As admins, we removed the scat communities, thinking that scat was covered by the NSFL. However, some people have opposing views on this matter. What do you think about it? If people want it allowed, then we can restore content.
https://strawpoll.com/wby5Ae7PXyA
Edit: My answer for friends in the comments; The main reason NSFL was banned is because we currently don’t have the tools to separate porn from NSFL. I’m in favor of the ban because I think its the same way in scat. If we had enough tools right now, we wouldn’t be ban the NSFL either. Although, I agree that voting for niche fetishes doesn’t make sense.
Edit 2: Also I don’t want to think about shit anymore. I’m out 😀 https://lemmynsfw.com/post/117500
Definitely not a fan of scat, and I definitely don’t want to see it on my feed, but I feel like it’s my job as a user to block the stuff I want to avoid. If you guys want to implement a “NSFW+” feature that we can use to mass-block the content that goes past the normal NSFW limits, great, but I don’t think it should be banned just because some people really don’t like it.
I don’t consume this sort of content, but in general, I don’t think “democracy” is the best way to judge niche fetishes. Decades ago, the majority would have voted to exclude gay porn. I personally enjoy hotwife and cuckold content. I’ve been pushed out of communities where the thought of ones partner sleeping with someone else makes a lot of people uncomfortable. When I see the community voting for or against fetishes it makes me uncomfortable, because I wonder when one of my kinks is next.
Voting on content inclusion or inclusion will lead to a tyranny of the majority. Kink acceptance should not be a popularity contest. Instead we should seek a principles based approach that embraces inclusion and tolerance while still staying within the bounds of the law. At the same time we should encourage the lemmy devs to build features that allow users to avoid content they don’t want to see so that we don’t need a heavy handed top level approach.
kinda surprising to see voting is leaning towards ban. if scat won’t be on lemmynsfw, where else is it supposed to be in?
Block the community if you don’t like the fetish, but banning scat makes no sense to me.
Removed by mod
Sure and people will ask for ban from there as well, my point was a nsfw community being on nsfw instance makes sense to me.
If people ask for a ban there as well, the admin of that instance can direct them to here. That way, that instance can remain… well, full of shit.
My favorite instance admin for a reason.
It’s not everyone’s cup of tea or even most people’s, but neither are dicks for most browsing this instance, some still want those around and it’s more than understandable, I don’t like em, someone is super excited about it though. They probably aren’t into titties, I like titties. Id be shitty if they tried to ban titties.
Unless it’s illegal or genuinely traumatic seems dumb to ban it, especially considering the first big announcement he made was legally dubious in some areas.
Personally I’d recommend replacing scat with titties or ass and vote thinking if that was on the chopping block. this isn’t a do you like question, this is a purge question. lemmynsfwspecialkinks seems wayyyy too long for an instance name imo let’s stop this train before it starts and someone gotta make that instance.
What’s the issue with scat porn?
Is it illegal or something?
If it’s not illegal then on what grounds is it being banned?
Exactly
Admin over at Yiffit here.
We have a temporary ban on content that is perfectly legal but which could be really weird to remote admins and moderators for at least 2 months in hopes that better moderation tools will appear so that remote instances can hide certain content without having to defederate from us completely.
Couple of questions and I mean this out of ignorance, not hate…
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Yiff is like being/dreaming of furries right?
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That seems legal but “really weird” so what kind of stuff are you banning?
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I’m learning programming so don’t expect anything great or even good out of me, but what kind of moderation tools are you looking for? Specific features you want?
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If it’s property marked as NSFW and it’s not illegal i don’t understand why banning it…
I see no legitimate justification for straight banning it tbh.
As much as I don’t like it, its just another fetish. I’d allow it under its own community - are you able to make it blocked by default or an opt-in thing,
It was under its own community, they just banned that community
I’m disappointed to see that voting is leaning towards a ban. I’m not remotely interested in scat, but it isn’t a big deal to block those communities, as I was doing before they were shut down.
I guess someone could make lemmyscat.com, targeting both the kink and Lemmy users with feline pets.
It’s not for me but who I am I to judge. If it were possible to stop it appearing in “all” that would be ideal but that’s not how lemmy works I know.
I don’t like it, but I don’t think it should be banned. Why is pissing and piss drinking allowed, but the other end not? I can’t believe I’m defending shit (pun intended).
Off-topic, what happened to the rules regarding underage hentai? I saw the voting/discussion posts get purged because “enough drama”, but are the rules still in-effect? Are any characters aged up still banned?
The rule was not changed on that. It wasn’t contributing to a productive discussion after it concluded iirc, hence its removal.
Thank you for clarifying, though you could’ve just locked it so that people know what the rules are regarding aged up characters.
I was admin-ed after its deletion, for clarify.
It’s not something I personally want to see, but I can always block communities I don’t want to be exposed to and I’m not aware of any legal complications, so I don’t see any reason to ban it outright.
I mean if we are banning individual fetishes, where do you draw the line…
Not Safe For Life has never to my knowledge conventionally included scat/extreme fetishes. I’ve always heard it used to describe things like gore, death, etc.
One other issue with voting on weather fetishes are acceptable is you risk the stability of other subs. For example if people recognize that they can get fetishes tagged as nsfl and removed what happens when a conservative group comes in and targets the multiple trans communities we have here stating they are nsfl. And after that they could reasonably expand that to futas. And so on…
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My vote is that we ban it here. I think the best solution for these issues is to have at least two NSFW instances. One that’s more tightly moderated and more socially acceptable, and a second that’s run with a more Libertarian wildboi flair. Business up front, party in the back. Maybe call the other one something like LemmyTrueNSFW, or LemmyWildNSFW, or something like that. This is how Federation achieves censorship-resistance. It allows a space for those on the fringe, while preventing the fringe from overwhelming the normie majority.
I like this option, I agree that while It’s not something I’m into I feel like we should not kink shame those who are. Creating a second instance for the more taboo things allows for it to exist but we still won’t see it while browsing ‘All’ in lemmynsfw. But it’s there for those who want to subscribe to it.
Content that most people consider extreme needs to be opt-in for viewers. Eg I don’t want to see content like this in the new/active feeds. Of course users can block it, but I don’t think that’s enough. Think if a new user joins and sees the new feed filled with content they are uncomfortable with.
Lemmy really needs a way to filter sensitive communities so content like this can be hidden away from feeds/federation unless users explicitly want to see it.
Lemmy very much was not prepared for such an influx of users on short notice, so unfortunately we kinda need to tape and prayer quite a bit of things it feels like. I think a NSFL tag would be good general feature, or going further CWs for specific communities.
I think it shouldn’t be banned. It’s not my thing and I don’t understand it at all but that doesn’t mean it’s harmful or unethical. It’s looked down on but as long as it’s educated, consenting adults, it’s not the same as gore. It’s not illegal. What would be the argument to have it banned? Just because it’s extreme enough to be listed as nsfl instead of nsfw? Who made that call? Seems like an arbitrary line to draw. It’s easy enough to just block content we don’t want to see, right?
