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      There are even more, included in Nonaligned. The German Nazis (afd 16 seats) were kicked out of ID

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        Not to mention they were kicked out of the Nazi group, because THEY WERE TOO EXTREME FOR THEM. Wake me up in 5 years when we can hopefully stop this…

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          kicked out of the Nazi group, because THEY WERE TOO EXTREME FOR THEM

          I was going to joke suggesting that, but you already had my joke crushed by reality being exactly that 😢

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          On paper they were more extreme, the right loves to be seen as not that far right when in fact they are

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          I have a horrible feeling that this is the beginning of a terrible slide. The racists will use this opportunity to be as obstructionist as they can and then scream in their home countries about how inefficient the EU is, and because the EU is so far away from home for most people, they’ll believe them. And then we’ll slide further.

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          Second strongest party in germany as a whole and strongest in east germany. Ahead of all member parties of our current government.

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            Thanks Obama Merz and Springer. Their constant Ampel bashing really fucked everything up.

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              The Ampel may have gained control over the government at the worst possible time. Everything is currently shit and people always blame the government, even though some of that is not under their control, which currently places blame on the only three important center-left parties. Thus people turn right.

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                unfunny thing though is, that most of the shit we have to deal with right now comes from the time CDU/CSU was in charge.

                I… I’m so fricking done.

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                It’s a tale as old as time. Conservatives fuck up so many things that they can’t be fixed in the one term other parties occasionally get. And when those then fail to fix everything, people go “see? They’re not better. Might as well vote conservative again.”

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                Even worse; the Greens get blamed for shit the FDP does, because people don’t know how coalitions work.

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                Merz is the faction leader of Germans Conservative and Christian party CDU.

                Springer is a magazine publisher known mostly for the newspaper Bild.

                Ampel is the name of the current German government coalition: SPD (red), FDP (yellow) and Bündnis 90/Die Grünen (Green)

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              Thing is, they would’ve probably gained even more votes if they didn’t incur so many scandals recently. People will probably forget about those until the next national elections

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            He’d be handing over only the parliament, just in time for them to mess up the country enough for the next presidential election.

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          I am ashamed of my fellow citizens for making this happened. 35 seats, they get 35, RN + La France Fière (Zemmour).

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        around 16.5% yeah, that is not just mind boggling but also fecking disheartening.

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        I blame it on the greens for not fielding Habeck as chancellor candidate. I’m probably going to be salty about that one for the next 40 years.

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          Sadly you can blame it on FDP for blocking every single positive thing this government might have done.

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            We could’ve had a Green-Red or at least Red-Green government is what I mean.

            …but, no, the Greens said “there’s no female chancellor candidate, there must be one, therefore we will field a politician who’s at least two magnitudes less electable” – and that after no less than 16 years of Merkel. As if anything had to be proven on that front. As if self-congratulatory symbol politics would ever have gotten us anywhere.

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              I don’t disagree that Habeck would have been the better candidate, I just don’t believe he would have changed the outcome by that much.

              In the end I think much of the difference between polls and election came from people saying they want climate protection, but in the end the yearly flight to Mallorca was more important.

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                people saying they want climate protection, but in the end the yearly flight to Mallorca was more important.

                Nope that’s cope. Classical green cope pattern, btw: “The people have a good heart but the devil of carbon is whispering in their ear”.

                Firstoff: No, people are aware that there might be some quality of life changes involved in climate change. The question they’re asking is not “whether” but “do they make sense”. “Do they lead somewhere”.

                Secondly: Sleeper trains and ferries exist. In principle you can fall asleep in Spandau and wake up in Palma.

                Thirdly, because it’s been so much fun: Who the fuck thought mandating houses to get individual heat pump installations was a good idea – I mean I get it, members of the green party are usually well off, they bought one of those and thought it would be a great idea for everyone. Thing is: Ask scientists, they’re saying district heating is the much better solution. When it comes to resource usage, overall cost, and definitely cost for the home owners.

                But the Green party would never field a candidate to win, or a policy to be popular, or that failing, to be actually efficient because y’all are too busy driving your Cayenne to the farmer’s market. And I mean what I say there: The Greens are considered hypocrites, caring about a gazillion things but nature and people’s relationship with it.

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                  Classical green cope pattern, btw: “The people have a good heart but the devil of carbon is whispering in their ear”.

                  You’re misrepresenting me, I never said anybody had a good heart. People are hypocrites. In theory they are all for the greater good as long as their own personal cost is zero.

                  Secondly: Sleeper trains and ferries exist. In principle you can fall asleep in Spandau and wake up in Alma.

                  And how is that relevant to what I said? What point are you trying to make here? You can also bike to work, many people still prefer to drive.

                  Who the fuck thought mandating houses to get individual heat pump installations was a good idea

                  First, nobody ever planned to mandate that. It’s a lie made up by Bild and the FDP. From the very beginning the only thing the heating law was going to mandate was that your heating had to run on 60% (I believe, don’t cite me on the exact number) CO2 neutral energy. Heat pumps are just automatically assumed to fulfill this condition, regardless of the current energy mix in Germany. But it was always going to be up to you how you fulfilled this condition.

                  Second, it IS a good idea. You can instantly lose one entire set of pipes going into your home and you instantly more than halve your carbon emissions even with the current energy mix. Yes it works, yes it also works in a cold winter, and no you don’t have to instantly insulate your entire home, renew your roof and all your internal piping. At least not if you don’t live in a farm house from the 1930s that never had any work done.

                  Third:

                  Thing is: Ask scientists, they’re saying district heating is the much better solution.

                  Which is an option and would have been an option under the original law.

                  Also, what actual scientist says that, as an absolute, no “ifs”, no conditions?

                  Because the thing is, if your district heating runs on fossils, which most do, it does jack shit to combat carbon emissions and helps exactly zero.

                  Also, getting hooked up to district heating isn’t free either.

                  It also doesn’t help if your city maybe sorta plans to start planning district heating to be eventually implemented some time in the 2090s, but only if we have enough money and the next 20 governments don’t change the plan along the way. Emissions need to be reduced now, not some day in the future if we feel like it. Decentralized solutions are faster and can be implemented by individuals without waiting for political decisions that could happen in 10 years or never.

                  This is an excuse to not have to act, nothing more.

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              Greens and SPD never had a majority in any poll at the time and they weren’t even close to it. Greens might have been stronger but probably SPD weaker in turn. We might have ended up with Jamaika in the end. Don’t forget that a conservative anti-Habeck campaign would’ve also been possible. He had some unpopular positions back then, too, like giving weapons to Ukraine. What kind of insane warmonger amirite?

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                What kind of insane warmonger amirite?

                That’s some Fundie shit. Seriously, noone but Fundies consider Realos to be war-mongers. They’re also the only ones considering “Olivgrün” an insult. It’s like vegans acting surprised when noone cares about their moraline-sour opinion of vegetarians.

                Conservatives wouldn’t have been able to touch Habeck, either, the man can quarrel with SH farmers calling him a clueless city boy and come out on top with everyone respecting him. Remember his Israel speech? Where one was left wondering “that was damn good, why isn’t the chancellor doing that”? “why isn’t the foreign minister doing that”? The answer is simple: Because neither of them are able to. They had to ignore their actual functions in government to get the message out.

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                  Giving weapons to Ukraine was not popular back then, on the contrary. Habeck got a lot of shit for his statements, not only from his own party but all the other ones including conservatives.

                  I agree that he is much better rhetorically than Baerbock but I don’t think he would have made Chancellor or even if he made Chancellor, green-red would not have made it, they would have needed the FDP anyway.

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          That might have been a strategic mistake idk, but it’s not as bad as the cxu and many more parties straight up copying nazi talking points and steering the discussion towards the afd and against the GrEeNs °o°

          The newspapers are also to blame.

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          rise of the far right all over Europe I blame the greens of Germany for it

          Nah, mate, this is about the structure of media ownership. I won’t be one to defend the greens of Germany, they’re disgusting, but the real problem is that private media have interest in the right winning the elections, and there’s also a ton of money spent boosting far right influencers in social media

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          Well, you can vote harder. The polls are not the only place you vote. Every purchase is a vote. Most people neglect their consumer power. I’m boycotting hundreds (if not thousands) of harmful companies and products, including Amazon. You can always vote harder by investigating the shops and brands you support. You can investigate whether your bank invests in the fossil fuel energy and change banks (or better, become unbanked). You can follow the !climate_action_individual@slrpnk.net community.

          E.g. certainly one small thing @lurch@sh.itjust.works can do is ditch sh.itjust.works for a different instance. Website weight has quadrupled since Cloudflare took hold because CF encourages web admins to create heavy websites. sh.itjust.works is CF-based.

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            My god… “Consumer power” is a myth, there’s no evidence of it working for anything significant. “consumer power” will NOT help preventing the rise of the extreme right wing in Europe. Organize your workplace, create tight communities in your local area, strike and protest, create safety networks… Those are the things that are actually proven to work.

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              My god… “Consumer power” is a myth, there’s no evidence of it working for anything significant.

              I guess you are not following Gaza. McDonalds in Israel decided to give free meals to Israeli soldiers. McDonalds customers who boycott Israel impacted McDonalds’ bottom line. And it’s a franchise. The McDonalds shops in Israel had different ownership than McDonalds outside Israel (where the boycott was impacting). So in response McDonalds HQ directly bought out all Israeli branches in order to stop the support to Israeli troops, just to protect their brand.

              Lidl and Aldi both started taking a hit in Europe because their produce from Israel was being boycotted. Aldi got caught removing the origin label from their produce when Israel was the origin. Lidl got caught falsifying the label by displaying a different region. If the boycott was insignificant, there would be insufficient motivation for a grocery chain to commit fraud against their customers. So I boycott the whole Lidl chain and Aldi North, not just Israeli products.

              Organize your workplace

              Or boycott without organising, as this person did:

              https://slrpnk.net/post/4687232

              Here’s what does not work: not boycotting.

              Boycotts only lack effect when in fact they are not executed. IOW, the apathy you advocate weakens the strength of boycotts. The shitty attitude that boycotts don’t work is the sole factor that disempowers boycotts from working.

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      Not sure if we should call them Nazi, as they kicked out the German Nazis, as explained in other comments. Maybe call them nationalists or ultra nationalists?

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        They kicked out the German Nazis because they celebrated the SS, which is a no-go for French Nazis. Doesn’t make them less Nazi, just the French kind that doesn’t like to be killed by German Nazis

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          But what is a Nazi? I thought someone who praises or follows the idea and ideology of Hitler Germany. So if someone says „ah this sounds too much like hitler or what is closest followers would say, therefore I dislike it“ can you then really call them a nazi? If someone think „this is to German“ can you be a nazi? After all Nazis where also German ultra nationalists, who think people who are not German are of less worthy. So since other nationalistic parties follow this ideology, but just replace Germany by their own country, I think Ultra nationalists is better fitting. You would also not say Japanese Nazis or Thailand Nazis. Or if you would say Argentinia Nazis, people who know should understand something very different.

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            It’s only Nationalsozialismus if it’s from the Nationalsozialismusregion, otherwise it’s just sparkling fascism

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              Ah never thought about this origin. So Nazi means basically someone who supports Socialistic Nationalism, no matter for which country? ! Did not think about this but it makes sense.

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                Yeah, it’s short for National Socialism which was just a rebranding of Fascism in Germany to get Workers on board. So I guess Fascism is the better term to use in any case but seriously, it’s just different flavours of the same shit so I think it’s a mood point to differentiate. They all support the same ideology and policies

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        ECR is shit, they’re a bunch of eurosceptic, anti-immigration, libertarian conservative nationalists, but they don’t hold a candle to ID, who are that, but on steroids.

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    I think the most important topic right now is confronting the climate change and the problems it is going to cause, on every level local, regional, national and international. This looming crisis is going to affect everything and everyone on an existential level, and requires every of these government levels, even every individual, to fucking work and to fucking stand together.

    And now my compatriots elect AfD.

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      Climate change is literally on position 4 out of 5 for voters. People are absolute fucking morons and at this point I think we should just go extinct. This is ridiculous.

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          It’s difficult to extinct us. If will take a thousand years of volcanoes, bad harvests, pandemics without vaccines, etc.

          We’re just so many now.

          What’s a lot faster is to wipe away the achievements of civilization, pushing us back into a state where starvation, disease and suffering are the norm and not the exception.

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        If you can’t afford your bills you don’t care about climate change.

        Edit: I know, that climate change will only worsen your financial situation, but a lot of people don’t see the long term effects on them and the economy.

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          Part of the reason why you can’t afford your bills is climate change and it’s going to get worse, doesn’t prevent people from taking their car to drive 500m to drop their kids to school!

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          Well, the conservatives will sure help the little man to have more money in their pockets. (PSA: they won’t)

          Also, if the land you live on is flooded or dries out, you can’t live there anymore. That’s the far greater threat to peoples’ existence. They just think they’ll be among the lucky survivors and only some nasty brown people will die.

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            It seems anti-immigration is driving all these right wing votes. And xenophobia manifests from the naïve idea that immigrants will somehow reduce incomes.

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          Because I’m sure your house getting swept away in the third flood to break records that month is REALLY gonna help your bills!

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          What is the priority then? I guess the sensible option would be to tax the rich more, and fight for a better distribution of wealth, right?

          But that is not at all what the blue and right parties are standing for, quite the contrary.

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            The human is primed for tribalism and these parties are exploiting that bug to offer the always-attractive solution of “this group of people is to blame”. This time, it’s Muslims and generally immigrants.

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          If you can’t afford your bills you don’t care about climate change.

          Well, then you should even more care about climate change. Like I said, morons. But we all know that the rise of the far right isn’t because of people’s bills.

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      Yes but have you considered that brown people are to blame for all these things? And that they are also fictional lies by The Left ™ to scare you away from the horrible brown people?

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        Also, it’s clearly way more important that we let Chinese Intelligence Operations in broad daylight tell our youths to vote for nazis to destabilize the regions rather than peacefully coexist and solve our problems. After all, how else will we get communism if not that? /s

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          The whole “Fascism is coming from china!” thing is a conspiracy theory though, isn’t it? Private media in the west are owned by western private media, not by Chinese psyops, and the funding that right wing influencers get in social media isn’t from China either. The problem doesn’t come from outside, it’s literally inside.

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            China benefits from destabilizing the west (and India). Their online campaigns on various social media networks tend to promote misinformation, which correlates highly with conservative and far-right ideologies. TikTok in particular served as a pipeline into far right radicalization.

            I’m not denying there is a problem within, and I’m not claiming China only pushes far right, but to claim that Chinese operations aren’t noticeably impacting western politics in the most negative ways possible is just pure ignorance.

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              TikTok is originally Chinese, but most other social media is from the US. Would you argue that the rise of far-right content in YouTube, Facebook or Instagram is also a consequence of the Chinese government?

              China’s policy hasn’t been to destabilize Europe, it’s been to get closer commercially, for example with the Belt and Road initiative. Unless you bring further evidence than “TikTok is Chinese” (with it being the only Chinese social media we use), or “China benefits from it”, it’s nothing but speculation, which is absolutely unnecessary since the very far-right content creators from Europe and the US are from those countries and also funded by western organizations such as the Atlas Foundation.

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                I can’t say exactly the scope of Chinese influence on YT or FB/IG, but we know they’re 100% present. In fact, some time ago, CCP propaganda was flooding YT Shorts with machine generated content. We also know that FB have in the past been used for largescale campaigns to influence elections, they were fined 5 Billion USD by the FTC over the Cambridge Analytica scandal alone and pay similar fines frequently in Europe.

                Yes, these sorts of operations are pretty commonly carried out by all of the world powers, but that’s the highest form of whataboutism. It’s a problem now that negatively affects us, it’s not hypocritical to want to solve the problem. And China is #1 most problematic, in part because it’s a top world power and a dictatorship and also because of the scale and frequency of their attacks on democracy.

                China has been closing off it’s commercial sector, recently. It plans to import less to allow their local corporations to dominate markets.

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                  I can’t say exactly the scope of Chinese influence on YT or FB/IG

                  We also know that FB have in the past been used for largescale campaigns to influence elections, they were fined 5 Billion USD by the FTC over the Cambridge Analytica scandal alone and pay similar fines frequently in Europe.

                  And China is #1 most problematic, […] also because of the scale and frequency of their attacks on democracy.

                  Thank you for proving exactly my point that you’re talking out of your ass, and you’re capable of contradicting yourself in one comment

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      I’m literally crying looking at this. People are mad that there are 8.6% of nazis, meanwhile, over here in Russia, there’s like 7.8% reps in the upper house and <4% in the lower who might secretly NOT be a nazi. The rest are pretty open about it.

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        Well you thought wrong. What even gave you that idea? Recent and older scandals have proven, that the authoritarians in Austria, Czechia and Germany (probably elsewhere too) are receiving money and orders from Putin. They’re not even nationalists in that sense, they just love fascism. Even trump with all his “America first” bs loves Putin. All enemies of democracy will work together to dismantle it.

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          I thought they’d be more anti barbarism, and generally aggressive/pro war. Thanks for pointing that out, it was naive of me to think otherwise

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        That’s the thing, you think that because they keep saying they like their country more than the others, a foreign leader who hates and want harms to their country would be their enemy.

        The truth is (1) they get a boner for the authoritarian way Putin leads Russia and (2) Putin treats them well because he knows that strengthening those parties weaken the country they’re in.

        Also Putin hates EU, and they hate EU. The difference is that Putin hates EU because he knows that European countries are stronger together.

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          And it is not only Putin who loves this. Other Dictators also love to see the rise of extremists in Europe.

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        so, what’s the story behind your apparent 10 year old coma (or some kind of hermit living)?

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    The growth of the far right isn’t that terrible on a vacuum, since it’s just a small growth anyway. The real bad news is this:

    https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/05/14/possible-to-cooperate-with-some-far-right-personalities-says-charles-michel

    This is, traditional conservative parties starting to talk about cooperation with the far right, rather than with centrists. If you thought far right euroskeptics were cringe, just you wait to see the far right that wants to remodel the EU to their taste - and are capable of passing reforms.

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      While I am all for laughing at the 'Muricans for making themselves out to be the prime democratic nation on the planet while having the choice between a conservative and an ultra-conservative party only, this time, we cannot indulge in this kind of thing to feel superior. We need to make sure we actually stay superior now, which… isn’t a given anymore.

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      And those are just the party coalitions, where the different national parties that are sent from all 27 countries form groups based on common agendas

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      As a latent American, apparently, I also struggle to make sense of it (I’m planning to research those parties, but haven’t gotten to it yet)

      Also, naming of parties seems often misleading, maybe even on purpose

      Could you recommend some resources I can use for a crash course on who’s who in EP, or maybe someone can summarise the projected results and what are the expected problems?

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        These political groups are formed by members elected by national voters. A group can be formed as long as they have at least 25 members from at least one quarter of EU countries. They’re pretty much analogous to a party, they work in broadly the same way. In the Image above they’re broadly organised from Left to Right politically:

        The LEFT group is, well, pretty left. They include Communists and Socialists, and in their own way can be a bit eurosceptic, although they typically want to reform or replace the EU rather than just disbanding it.

        The GREENS are also pretty left, with a focus on Climate, Animal Rights, Income Equality, Feminism, that sort of thing. They are generally pro-Europe.

        The S&D group are center left. Members tend to be from say, the Labour party of various countries. They want things like fairer employment and more regulated market. They were the largest party in the EU until 1999, now the second largest.

        RENEW are Center, pretty Liberal (in the Phil Ochs sense). They’re pro-business and want a strong economy, but they at least talk up things like civil rights and social welfare (I don’t know enough about them to judge how well they do in practise). They’re very pro-EU, and have billed themselves as ‘the Pro-European political group’.

        The EPP are center-right, pretty conservative. Lots of ‘Christian Democratic’ representation. Neoliberal, want more defence spending, pro-Europe, pro-Ukraine. They say they’re focused on the climate, but the Greens say that that’s a lie. They’ve been the biggest group since 1999.

        The ECR calls itself center-right (but is really a bit right-er), and ‘soft-eurosceptic’. This Eurosceptism is their main thing: They support the idea of the EU, so they say, but they want to prevent it from going ‘too far’, with too much oversight, integration, and immigration. Some members are your standard conservative types, some are far-right.

        The ID group is far-right. They don’t like the EU, and are opposed to it interfering with the ‘sovereignity’ of States. Anti-immigration, anti-‘islamisation’, pro-nationalism.

        Nonaligned (technically ‘non-inscrits’) are just that - they haven’t joined with any of the above blocs.

        These projected results broadly show increased support for the right over the left, but more sharply show gains for the Eurosceptic ID and Non-Inscrits (who often are Eurosceptic, but not always and I don’t actually know the individual cases here) at the expense of the pro-EU Greens and Renew. So it doesn’t look great for fans of the European Left.

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          Thanks, it looks like the right are really on the rise as of lately, I heard about this happening in the Netherlands, in Spain, now the EP :(

          Also, I hope we’re not going to see another Brexit(s), especially considering how the UK citizens seem now to think it was a mistake

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            Portugal is also sending for the first time our dear fascists to the europe. It’s all imploding in our lifetimes.

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          I thought europe is pretty balanced/leftist, but that sounds quite biased towards right already.