hy im trying to install arch as the third os on my windows / ubuntu machine and i cant figure it out how to set the grub bootloader i have already read the friendly manual but probably also due to my non native English origins i coudnt find an answer to my question witch is during the arch install should i reinstall grub with grub-install ? i would prefer to keep the old (ubuntu) one also because its already customized but unfortunately i cant…if i dont install it i dont have the directory /boot/grub in witch i should place the grub.conf file so should i just create this directory ? i have tried with os-prober correctly activated to generate a new grub.conf but it doesnt pick up the arch install …, what are the files i must have to make grub recognize those partitions as a new os to witch assign a new boot entry …

  • silent_water [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
    5·
    9 months ago

    you should be able to reuse the /boot partition from arch, I’m pretty sure. you can just update the grub configuration ubuntu set up to add arch to it that way.

    • DNOSOP
      3·
      9 months ago

      Sorry I’m trying to install arch after Ubuntu what did u mean by reusing the boot partition from arch you mean try to update grub from the arch install while in Chroot?

      • silent_water [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
        3·
        9 months ago

        no like you can skip the entire grub-install part and just mount your ubuntu /boot partition as your boot partition in arch and go through the normal install process. then at the end, you just update the grub.cfg to include the arch install.

        edit: if you don’t have a separate ubuntu /boot partition, you’re going to need to reinstall it with a separate boot partition, or configure the bootloader in arch and do grub-install but stick in the ubuntu boot block into grub.cfg. the issue is that you’re still going to need to update the configuration on the ubuntu side so it uses the arch /boot partition and installs kernels there.

        • DNOSOP
          1·
          9 months ago

          Thanks a lot man I would love to tell you I understand everything but unfortunately the only part that I got was the first and I don’t have a separate boot partition :( so what do you mean by stick in the ubuntu boot block into grub config I have to reinstall grub from arch then I update it making a new .Cfg and then remaining in the arch install I should find and add the other two boot entries ? Should I delete grub before installing it again ? Im asking because I think I have already tried to install it and i believe I was still using the ubuntu one … What about updating grub on the Ubuntu side how am I going to boot into it ? Thanks a lot man I don’t want to waste your time u gave me some nice homeworks I will be back in a few days …

          • silent_water [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
            1·
            9 months ago

            no worries! you want a separate boot partition on your hard disk to make this all easier. if you don’t have one already, I would make one, then go back through the arch install. at the end, there should be instructions on how to update the grub.cfg for arch. you’ll need to do the exact same thing for Ubuntu. the only hard part is that Ubuntu is set up right now to not mount a /boot partition so when you install updates, the updated boot images won’t get installed in the right place. so you need to boot into Ubuntu first and change /etc/fstab so it mounts the boot partition to /boot. then you need to run:

            sudo update-bootloader --refresh

            then you can go back and do the arch install with the same /boot partition and run grub-install. there’s detailed instructions on how to change the boot partition here and the ArchWiki should have the rest.

            • DNOSOP
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              9 months ago

              Thank you so much it’s like a couple of weeks I’m going back and forth on this topic and this is the biggest step I have done … I will surely let you know if I successfully end up bricking my PC :)

              Btw I’m sorry for any previous gender errors I have just noticed the correct pronouns 😅

                • DNOSOP
                  2·
                  9 months ago

                  Hey do you know if it’s normal then after mounting the /boot partition, adding this … UUID=1f32… /boot ext4 defaults 0 2 … to the fatab and updating grub with grub-update or white grub mkconfig.io… I can’t no longer boot into Ubuntu ?it puts me in some kind of recovery mode Should I proceed anyway with the arch install ? Does the problem come from the fact I haven’t already reinstalled grub ? PS I have tried the --refresh flag but apparently it doesn’t exist …

      • intelati@programming.dev
        1·
        9 months ago

        I went the GUI route with EndeavorOS. I had to set (flag?) the existing bootloader to /boot/efi I believe. Then I was able to install normally from there.

        (Was coming from Manjaro)

  • mectx02@lemmy.world
    3·
    9 months ago

    If you’re running under UEFI, GRUB typically installs a bootx64.efi file in the EFI partition (typically under its own little GRUB folder), so that when your computer boots up, the BIOS/UEFI can point to that file and start GRUB, which will then look at its configuration file to find all the preconfigured bootable operating systems that it knows about. BIOS is a little bit different, but the premise is the same - a small executable is placed somewhere that the BIOS can find and execute to launch your OS’ bootloader.

    All os-prober does is look at operating systems that are already mounted and adds them to the configuration file. If a system isn’t mounted, then os-prober (and by extension, GRUB, since the grub.cfg file is where all the OS options are placed) won’t know about it.

    Assuming that you have your fstab file for Archlinux configured correctly (where your EFI partition is mounted under a reasonable directory, such as /boot/efi), you can boot into Ubuntu, mount your Archlinux partion under Ubuntu temporarily, and run sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg under Ubuntu to generate the necessary boot option for Archlinux.

    You can install the GRUB package under Archlinux, but there’s no need to install the bootx64.efi file (from sudo grub-install) a second time since that file already exists. It would mostly be used for keeping your grub.cfg up to date. The theming can probably be copied over from Ubuntu’s configuration (but I’m not sure of where it is off the top of my head).

    • DNOSOP
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      9 months ago

      Thanks I always thought ther was a grub for each os and they will recognize each other … Following an other user advices I have added a separate /boot partition to Ubuntu but eventhow I have added the line in the fatab on boot it doesn’t mount properly so I have to manually mount it from the recovery mode… if I select to mount it on boot from the GUI (gnome-disks) it adds a couple of lines in the file /run/systems/generator/boot.mount but nothing changes …can u confirm me that this file is not consulted on boot so its not relevant ? So should I mount the /boot/EFI (already mounted) ,/ , /home and /boot (already mounted) on Ubuntu before updating grub ? Doesn’t this tell to mount the arch os when I boot ubuntu ? … I have just realized could the problem be in the fact that during the arch install I have followed a tutorial which have told me to create a /boot /EFI directory on witch I should mount the EFI partition while in Ubuntu the EFI partition is mounted in /boot/efi that could defenetly be it … how should I proceed to fix it remove the EFI directory with all the stuff there’s in it and mount it on /boot/efi? Don’t wanna mess it up removing stuff is always dangerous… Let me know thanks a lot man I feel like we are getting closer

      • DNOSOP
        1·
        9 months ago

        Thanks I have found arch with grub but I still can’t see it in the boot entries 😂 seems somebody is joking with me … Anyway as usual I boot grub comes out without arch so I select Ubuntu he boots me in recovery mode I mount the /boot partition and boot into Ubuntu …

        • mectx02@lemmy.world
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          9 months ago

          If you’re having to mount drives in Ubuntu’s recovery mode, something is really f*cked up. If you can remember the default state, I would try and revert back to that first before making any changes. (Hopefully you don’t have to reinstall anything)

          I’m not familiar with gnome-disks, so I can’t say anything about its own file relationships and how that works with GRUB.

          From past experience, most Linux distributions will place your EFI partition (looks like it’s at /dev/nvme0n1p1 in your example) at /boot/efi. /boot partitions generally aren’t really needed for a home linux environment afaik, but I’m sure someone with more experience will be happy to come along and give an example of when you might need one. However, in order for Linux to boot up successfully, it does need to know where all of its internal components are (typically the kernel and an initramfs, if you have one - I think Ubuntu ships with one by default).

          If you’re looking to just have the EFI partition mounted correctly, you can unmount it temporarily (as root, so exercise caution) and then make changes with the directory structure before remounting it. Your fstab file should match up with where you want it mounted.

          • DNOSOP
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            9 months ago

            Hey thanks man I have followed your advice and reverted back the Ubuntu fstab … I the added the separate boot partition in a better way and now I can finally boot back into Ubuntu without the recovery mode …

            I noticed that in most tutorials they will generate the fstab before mounting the /boot/efi partition I checked my ubuntu fstab wich also has the /boot/efi entry so I mounted it before generating the fstab but still nothing changes (yeah I also fixed the mount point to /boot/efi)

            I feel like im going nowhere since eventhow I find a way to make os prober recognize arch and the other way around I still can’t see the entry in the boot screen which remains the same(probably the original ubuntu one with my aesthetics customization) is it possible that I have somehow generated a copy of some file maybe the grub.conf which remains unmodified ? I’m glad it didn’t get worse but I will be happy to see some positive changes … Thanks for your help

            • mectx02@lemmy.world
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              9 months ago

              I had a closer look at your picture and I noticed that GRUB is throwing an error about an unrecognized partition type.

              What file system did you choose to install Arch on? You might not have the correct file system drivers for os-prober to see it.

              • DNOSOP
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                9 months ago

                Hy thanks for still being here yeh I have noticed them too but I skipped them since there was the same error for Ubuntu and it works fine … My EFI system is mounted on a fat 32 partition my ubuntu root is mounted on an ext4 partitions as my separate boot partition witch is also Ext4 my arch install is instead mounted on an LVM partition witch I have formatted with Ext4 both for the home and the root … the LVM partition is on nvm0n1p9

                Btw sorry if I keep sending pictures of the screen instead of screenshots just a lazy boy😅

                • mectx02@lemmy.world
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                  9 months ago

                  Btw sorry if I keep sending pictures of the screen instead of screenshots just a lazy boy😅

                  Work smarter, not harder :)

                  Those file formats are fairly typical for most Linux installations, so that rules out GRUB drivers.

                  Your most recent screenshot shows evidence of an encrypted volume for your Arch install. I would have a read on the archlinux wiki and give that a shot first. In addition, while you’re in Ubuntu, they have update-grub that will auto-generate GRUB’s config file for you, so that might help with a couple of problems.

                  Beyond that, you might have to use an alternate bootloader, as GRUB doesn’t seem to have very good support for LUKS at the moment. Alternatively, you could remove the LUKS encryption from your Arch install, but I’m not aware of how feasible that solution is since I don’t use it.

    • DNOSOP
      1·
      9 months ago

      Hy thanks i would give it a go 👍🏻

  • Seth@lemmy.world
    2·
    9 months ago

    If I’m not mistaken couldn’t you just mount your already configured grub bootloader to /mnt/boot?

    For example, during the arch install if your grub is at /dev/sda2, couldn’t you do mount --mkdir /dev/sda2 /mnt/boot?

    Somebody who knows more than I do can definitely jump in here as well! But could give that a try

    • DNOSOP
      2·
      9 months ago

      Hy I think silent_water is saying the same thing but unfortunately I don’t already have a separate boot partition thanks for the answer I will defenetly dig deeper