cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/15826549
Ruling Conservative Party says it will bring back national service if it wins the July 4 general election.
Eighteen-year-olds will have to perform a mandatory national service if the Conservative Party is voted back to power in the United Kingdom’s July 4 election, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has announced.
The prime minister’s plan would entail young people being given a choice between a full-time placement in the armed forces for 12 months or spending one weekend a month for a year volunteering in their community, the party said.
Maybe I’m missing something. In fact I’m sure I am as I don’t follow UK politics closely at all. Mostly what I know is from scrolling past headlines like this one.
Confusing thing #1: My understanding is the Conservative (Tory?) party is struggling so the PM called for a “snap” election.
If you’re not doing great, wouldn’t it make more sense to try and weather the storm and work to make things sunnier before the next election rather than call for an election amidst the storm?
Confusing thing #2: If you are in said storm and now looking down the barrel of an election, wouldn’t that be the opposite of the time you would want to announce your unpopular policy ideas?
This really sounds like someone who is trying to get fired instead of quit.
So what am I missing?
You’re missing that they are just incompetent and awful at politics
But haven’t they been in power for like 10 years or something?
That may be more of a condemnation of their opposition than of them…
It partly is but also that they’ve just ran out of “talent”. Anyone who was any good was there at the start and they’ve just not been able to replace them.
More like actively removed them for yes men at the last election because the competent ones opposed brexit. The current administration is more a populist brexit party than a traditions Conservative platform.
Angry boomers will love it, also the masculinists who think boys are too weak these days.
It feels to me like the Tories (and their wealthy mates) have now got to the point where they don’t feel they can rinse the taxpayer for much more without everyone seeing them for the craven vampires they are, so they’re happily stepping back for one or two terms.
In that time Labour will struggle like fuck to get the country back to where it was 14 years ago when the Tories walked back into Number 10, the papers will blame Labour for everything being shit, and the door will be open for the Tories to come back in and carry on the pillaging with coffers that are worth the effort.
The latest possible date the election could have been is January 2025, but that was practically very unlikely as i) there is an extremely sharp generational divide in voting intentions (far sharper than in most Western democracies) and January would have meant the Tories having to get their elderly core voters to the polls in the middle of winter, and ii) a January vote would have meant a campaign running over Christmas, and everyone would have punished Sunak for that. The widespread expectation was for an autumn election.
It’s unclear why Sunak jumped earlier but likely a combination of various factors:
them being worried the economy will not get better by the autumn (so avoids going to the polls after a summer of bad economic news);
going early means their main opponents on the right (Reform) don’t have time to get their act together and select candidates in all seats (which they would have done by the autumn);
their flagship immigration policy is controversial and expensive, yet likely to have an underwhelming impact on illegal immigration levels, and they’ll look like complete idiots for centring an autumn election on a ‘stop the boats’ slogan if there’s another summer of small boat arrivals in the meantime; and
Sunak personally is fed up - he’s very much a political child of the far-right (an avowed Brexiter long before Boris Johnson or Liz Truss converted to the cause) yet the far-right of the Tory Party don’t see him as one of their own and have been constant thorns in his side throughout his leadership - he may just want out at this stage.
My guess on #2 is Europe is increasing posturing against Russia as they continue to escalate the situation in Ukraine, so this accomplishes:
For what it’s worth, I actually think forced conscription (with alternatives) is actually an idea that can work well and help build a better more cohesive society where all people despite their differences participate in their “citizenly duties”, but it has to be done right: military service can be an option, as well as community service in things like fire departments, Emergency medical services, even working in government services like the NHS or community centers that have options for mentor programs, etc. Basically anything that teaches young adults to give back to their community which can hopefully turn into a lifelong habit. But you can’t start the policy as some bullshit military posturing. It has to come from a place of “we’re doing this to make our community better”. Also, you can’t make day 1 implementation only start with the current young adult generation and have everyone older than them grandfathered out. EVERYONE shoulders this. Anyone voting for it needs to know they’re all going to be participating in this (pro-rated based on age up to 65 or 70, but still those above should be encouraged to participate despite no obligation). But that probably sounds like communism or something.
This sort of thing seems like exactly the sort of thing that would spur that demographic to come out and vote. Self-interest is a powerful thing.
Yeah, it does, and yet hardly any young voters showed up to the polls when the torries wanted to flush the kids futures down the toilet with the Brexit vote. So they’ve got lots of historical data to suggest young voters don’t matter.
I was curious about the whole “calling elections” thing so I looked it up.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainer/calling-general-election
They have to call an election within five years of the last one, but the choice of when is up to the prime minister. Seems calling it early gets him and his party a bit of a bump.
Confusing thing #1 was actually a smart move.
Reform party, who has been a bunch of useful idiots and have been diluting the Tory vote significantly have not got enough members in place to stand in every location as this will be their first general election and they are a new party.
The SNP has only just picked a new leader after the previous one stepped down and they have fallen out of favour in recent times.
Labour (main competition) was not expecting anything until November time as the running theory is that the Tories would wait for a bit to see if something would “come up” and rescue their awful polling (as per your suggestion). So even they were caught off guard and now have to scramble to organise everything. This shit isn’t easy, even for established parties.
Hell, even the Tories were caught off guard by their leader doing this.
Sunak has played an interesting card here. I doubt it will make any difference but at least he is being somewhat clever with the surprise timing of this.
#1. It’s not really a ‘snap’ election, it’s been called within the normal window of calling an election. While things could have got better if he’d held on they could have also got worse. With inflation down to more normal rates it looks like he thought ‘this is as good as it’ll get’
#2. Dunno.
For 2, I reckon they’re really really pushing for the old white racist man votes. I think it’s damage control to hold on to some seats. They think that’s the best they’re going to get.
That or they plan to win over those votes now, then change their tune closer to the election to win more moderate votes too, thinking that the right wing voters are stubborn and will therefore stick with them having made up their minds already.
The choice of policy ideas is weird but the strategy of snap elections can reinforce the party’s power until the next election if it goes well. It’s like squeezing your electorate for more power until the balance shifts in the other direction
It’s a standard tactic in parliament style politics. He won’t win if he waits till end of term for an election, but might eke out a victory now, and then had four or five years to go