If anything, cannabis seems like a much better (and more profitable) drug around which to build a leisurely establishment.
The difference is you can’t taste other people’s alcohol but you can smell others’ smoke
People who are going to a place to smoke typically wouldn’t mind that. Take cigar or vape lounges, for instance. Also it’s usually people who don’t smoke weed who act like the smell of weed bothers them.
right but my point is if a group of friends want to go to a bar and some people don’t smoke or like the smell of smoke then there is a problem, it’s not like they can just opt not to smell smoke
Then don’t go to a weed bar, I guess. Laws are unlikely to allow weed and alcohol in the same place any time soon… though that already happens illegally at concerts and many bars I’ve been to. But people at the bars usually smoke outside. Colorado gov’t acts like all hell would break loose if people smoke and drink at the same time.
…that’s why you would only go to a place like that if everyone is down. Having them for people that want to go is fine, no one is forced to go.
That sounds nice in theory, but in reality the result is usually that if the majority of a group smokes, the nonsmokers don’t have much of a choice except for looking for new friends. That was a very common complaint when smoking in pubs and restaurants was still legal here.
Just because one person doesn’t want to go to something doesn’t mean they shouldn’t exist. You’re basically saying one person’s opinion/choice outweighs an entire group. If those choices constantly put you at odds with the group it might be best to find a group that aligns with your values more. There’s also nothing wrong with being friends with the people that want to go to things you don’t like, just tag along when they do things you do like. You also don’t have to have one set of friends, you can have multiple groups that like to do different things. I’m not pro banning things for the sake of others that can choose not to participate.
That line of arguing is exactly why it doesn’t work. And in general I agree that banning things because someone else doesn’t like it is wrong, getting rid of smoking wherever possible is better for everyone, including the smokers.
For what it’s worth, pretty much everyone here in Austria agrees that the ban on smoking in indoor establishments was a good thing. It’s just so much better to come home from a night out and not reek like smoke so badly that everything you touch will smell for days.
Well if low THC vapes and flower carts become common enough, we could see it become much more socially acceptable over time.
The problem is how to shift public perception of it as an anti-social behaviour towards a more acceptable vice that doesn’t necessarily have to affect others good time
and drunk people can be annoying and it is hard to opt out of being around them at the bar
You can certainly smell other people’s alcohol. Most pubs reek of cheap beer
Some establishments yes, but in most places I would not smell alcohol unless someone spilled it all over the floor. It’s anyway much less compared to smoke that will stick to your clothes
Edibles might make it better. But then you’ll need to give people something to do for an hour or so before it kicks in…
You mean like eating, playing board games, and socializing?
Dry vaporizers (with temperature below 200C) don’t have smoke so are a lot less offensive with smell, if not odorless particularly with access to fresh air.
Also people smelling of alcohol, particularly if they are drunk or drinking liquor, is definitely a thing. Also barfing. I wouldn’t doubt bars having bad smells sometimes.
Thanks for the shameless plug opportunity for m/dryherbvapes!
Yep that’s the 21st Century way to party. Smoking tastes almost disgusting after making the switch.
Bars could have bar-top vape systems and you could bring your own plant materials or buy there, but you would probably have to buy a disposable nozzle for the vape systems. Each patron could use a clean disposable tip for their visit to minimize germs.
Depending on the the vaporizer tech, I could see BYOB (and a bit of auto-cleaning or just provided qtips etc) being a thing. Meaning bag, bowl, or…
Also personally I have my own mini-“pipe” that I carved, the balloon bag slots into it and it has a carb hole for air-mixing (also it can fit the direct draw/whip mouthpiece into it too, diff orientation). So it’s a personal mouthpiece.
there are THC drinks where I live, always a nice option for me to have at gatherings as a non-alcohol person.
Right but you can consume cannabis in tons of different ways - cookies, cocktails, etc. Restaurants had smoking areas for decades with far worse air filtration systems.
Dutch coffee shops, you mean?
One or two every block in the old city center.
That’s the trend I wish would emerge in the U.S.: lots of small spaces to hang out in like that
I’m trying so hard not to go on my /c/fuckcars rant right now.
“the” old city center 🙂 The Netherlands is quite a bit bigger than the Amsterdam tourist trap 😁
This is quite common in The Netherlands. They’re called coffeeshops.
They are usually not very cozy though since they are barely legal and they don’t want to get too much attention.
Some coffeeshops have men with purple hats standing in front, essentially advertising the place. Not to mention all the big signs saying this is a coffeshop, with customers sitting outside on benches and smoking weed in plain sight. It’s definitely possible to find coffeeshops with boardgames, although they are not very popular, since I guess most tourists aren’t into that, and most locals can just smoke and play boardgames at home.
That’s already a reality in some places. San Francisco, New York, and Amsterdam are some examples.
Some medical dispensaries even had this vibe years ago.
Add Spain to the list.
One can find a ‘coffee shop’ in nearly any city in the Netherlands. The first was Mellow Yellow in Amsterdam. They opened in 1972. From that point the formula they had, (by selling the cannabis themselves instead of the 60s, dealers hanging around in a bar who would often sell hard drugs as well), spread slowly around the Netherlands into the coffee shop culture we have today. Couple of years later in '75 our government started decriminalizing soft drugs. Early 80s a tolerance policy was set up, so coffee shops were still illegal, but could go about their busyness freely if no involvement with selling hard drugs.
I went to one in Thailand. Got to borrow a bong and play billiards and Uno and stuff, it was a real nice and comfortable little place
that’s just a “coffee” shop in Netherlands
Bay Area guy here. We have quite a few cannabis lounges.
Got any favorites?
Barbary Coast downtown for vibe is a good start
Your dealers home: Am I a joke to you?
Dealer? What’s a dealer? Is that something I’m too Canadian to understand?
It’s the guy with weed 30-40% less expensive than the guv’mint stores that also happens to be better quality 9/10 times.
(I kid to a point - I use dispensaries too, because what’s not to like about picking up weed AND milk on a mini-mall grocery run - but seriously the market value for unregulated weed has plummeted something fierce since legalization. And what I’ve tried is pretty damn good).
That was the cool place 20+ years ago, not so much now.
If they replaced individual bars rather than expanded the space where drug consumption is the basis of socializing.
I don’t smoke weed, but phrasing it’s usage as “drug consumption” always annoyed me. It makes it sound like it’s the same thing as heroin or meth, which it’s not even close to the same thing.
It’s the same thing as alcohol.
It isn’t. And when people say “drugs” they’re almost never talking about alcohol anyway, unless the conversation is literally about the designation of what constitutes a drug and what doesn’t, which is convoluted as heck.
Depends on your circles I suppose. Drug is drug.
Yep. I can’t stand this “oh, weed is harnless” attitude a lot of people have towards cannabis. Its an intoxicant like any other, and should be treated as such.
The amount of friends I have who think that they’re fine to smoke and drive are too damn high.
From what I recall weed is considered less harmful and addictive than alcohol. Most recent study that caught my eye was from New Zealand. Alcohol was somewhere on the top along with heroin. THC somewhere in the middle ranks.
Sure, alcohol is pretty bad. But I’ve been disappointed when looking up places to hang out, so many of them are some kind of bar. I’m fine with people using drugs on their own time, but I’d like for there to also be places where people don’t.
Heroin, amphetamines, alcohol, and cannabis all have genuine medicinal uses, and also all can be abused depending on context. Drug consumption is a fine, value-neutral term, which can refer to both their use and abuse.
The war on drugs generation has had that reality tainted though mate. There are a lot of (mostly ultra conservative religious types) people who see drug use as the same whether it be meth or weed. And they don’t see beer the same way usually.
But in a very literal sense you’re absolutely correct. But we’re having a conversation about perception here.
people who see drug use as the same whether it be meth or weed.
But they are correct about this part, there is no ethical or moral difference between using amphetamines and using cannabis.
And they don’t see beer the same way usually.
Well, they’re incorrect about that part. But I’m not going to change the way I talk just because other people are wrong. Think about it: I’d never stop changing the way I talk.
But we’re having a conversation about perception here.
Absolutely.
I worked as a chemical dependency counselor for years with all types of addicts. To me, alcohol is scarier than all of them. Quitting drugs is never fun or easy, but alcohol withdrawal will kill you straight up. One cannot quit cold turkey. In my opinion, alcohol is the hardest drug yet invented, it just also happens to be more socially acceptable than the other ones. Challenging this perception is something I care about quite a bit.
More friendly environment w/dry vaporizers (bag, whip, or portable/maybe extract) so there’s no smoke (under 200C, convection-based) (and note the lack of cotton-candy scented steam clouds that people hate about flavored ecigs/liquid vape pens). Also edibles and the like… but that’s just time-delay dosed food.
I would say that drinking is a longer/more gradual experience so has more reason for a dedicated space. Though I guess the passable options that I mentioned could draw the experience out, but I’ve never done that so I’m not sure what that’s like compared to one-and-done/hanging-out-when-high.
(though as others have said, it is a thing)
The issue is that a lot of people that smoke weed in place would reak. I don’t think many people would enjoy the smell
Consumables only. Problem solved.
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Its hard to justify it for the same reasons we can’t have Shisha bars and smoking lounges (at least where I live): 2nd hand smoke.
I can, as a non drinker, go to a bar and have myself a soda, and leave there as sober as when I walked in. If I do that in a room where everyone is smoking up, I will get high from the second hand smoke whether I want to for not.
I mean, why not just have a general social club with coffee/food, games, etc, and just step outside for a puff?
Cannabis can be edible and here in Milwaukee we’re already seeing farm bill delta9 show up in bars and restaurants.
The smoke issue has been solved. I’ve been to cigar lounges that do not smell outside and barely smell inside, despite over a dozen people smoking sotgies in there. Massive HVAC systems and filters handle it all.
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There are a number of coffee shops exactly like that in Cape Town
California has a few of these and they’re awesome! Ive seen them in Humboldt county and LA
Definitely sounds like something that would be in Humboldt.
There have been a few private clubs in Colorado that allow this. It tends to be bring-your-own but you can smoke and do whatever once inside after buying a membership. Apparently they’re opening more official places called consumption lounges - one is opening on Colfax in Denver soon, apparently.
I hadn’t heard about that, looks like they’re just waiting to get the ventilation/HVAC approved. Might have to a check Cirrus out when they open.
Apparently the “Coffee Joint” was able to open and allow dabbing and electronic vaping inside without needing to meet the same HVAC requirements.Most people I know would be perfectly fine with only dabs and vaping. A lot of people consider actual herbal weed somewhat obsolete.
