No, what? They’re supposed to just return once Sony reverses, trusting they won’t try anything again later?
Permanently losing a customer teaches them a better lesson. Distrusting them unless they actually spend the time and effort to earn it back teaches them a better lesson.
Anything else is the same as the slap-on-the-wrist mild fines we all hate to see when businesses are finally caught committing massive fraud.
At the end of the day, you have control over your own actions. You will be the one missing out in HD2, and if you’re ok with that, then so be it.
The funny thing about this is that this community has proven it will not take any bullshit, so you’re doing yourself a disservice by not allowing yourself to be a part of it anymore.
If you enjoy the game, allow yourself to play it again, and if Sony gets up to fuckery, believe in your fellow Divers to drop the bomb on them again.
Yes, that’s the tradeoff, you accept some amount of bad behavior in exchange for a game you enjoy. I don’t think a principled stance like theirs is fun. I think long term consequences are the only way to prevent them from trying to creep things like this in over and over until it finally works.
“The community will not put up with any bullshit, we’re safe now.”
What’s the bad behaviour we’re accepting right now though?
The game was review bombed to hell and back and people stopped playing because of the behaviour. No one accepted it. Sony now doesn’t have the account linking they wanted, and people not coming back to the game now punishes the Devs because it’s their livelihood too.
You 100% don’t have to play the game again, and it’s a 100% understandable choice, fuck the corpos. But like… You get to have fun, and you support the Devs that work hard to make the content, without feeding your account data to Sony. My perspective shows little to no downside, even considering what benefits Sony.
There’s the bad behaviour we’re not accepting right now, like the awful rootkit. This game is basically perfect for me, and for once my friends play it too, but I’m not touching it so long as rootkit crap exists, especially on a cooperative game.
If they reverse course and everyone still refused to play out of principle, the only thing Sony learns is that they should just double down. The situation becomes a calculated move between the shareholder value linked PSN accounts create vs whatever they permanently lose in playerbase numbers, instead of a give and pull between a corporation and the community for one of its games. Not playing after they give in just tells them that there was no point in walking it back, and they might just reinstate the policy because at least they’ll get that tasty user data out of whoever they didn’t burn the bridge with.
I mean it’s your choice, but I’m just extrapolating what your stance entails if everyone were to take it.
I think both of these positions are important for coercing Sony. If everyone who was upset left permanently and kept their bad reviews, Sony would have no incentive to backtrack their next boneheaded decision. But it’s also true that if everyone jumps back in as if nothing happens, they have no incentive to avoid excessive greed in the future.
Most of the players will come back, and so Sony will be rewarded for compliance. But some players will be permanently alienated, and those permanently lost profits will be a reminder of what happens when you try to screw your players over.
Hey! You’re entitled to that opinion. I think each person has their level of bullshit tolerance. I think many people will review positively since the game was overall very good for 2 months and the change that would have made it awful was reversed, and willing to give it one or more chances. Others will keep the negative and request a refund, which will hopefully remind Sony not to do it again.
Nah, you burned that bridge, Sony. I’m not coming back.
This is the wrong way. This is what collective action does. But then we all have to have the grace to let people and Companies change course.
No, what? They’re supposed to just return once Sony reverses, trusting they won’t try anything again later?
Permanently losing a customer teaches them a better lesson. Distrusting them unless they actually spend the time and effort to earn it back teaches them a better lesson.
Anything else is the same as the slap-on-the-wrist mild fines we all hate to see when businesses are finally caught committing massive fraud.
At the end of the day, you have control over your own actions. You will be the one missing out in HD2, and if you’re ok with that, then so be it.
The funny thing about this is that this community has proven it will not take any bullshit, so you’re doing yourself a disservice by not allowing yourself to be a part of it anymore.
If you enjoy the game, allow yourself to play it again, and if Sony gets up to fuckery, believe in your fellow Divers to drop the bomb on them again.
Yes, that’s the tradeoff, you accept some amount of bad behavior in exchange for a game you enjoy. I don’t think a principled stance like theirs is fun. I think long term consequences are the only way to prevent them from trying to creep things like this in over and over until it finally works.
“The community will not put up with any bullshit, we’re safe now.”
Installs a rootkit.
Tbf the community has already long accepted the anticheat
What’s the bad behaviour we’re accepting right now though?
The game was review bombed to hell and back and people stopped playing because of the behaviour. No one accepted it. Sony now doesn’t have the account linking they wanted, and people not coming back to the game now punishes the Devs because it’s their livelihood too.
You 100% don’t have to play the game again, and it’s a 100% understandable choice, fuck the corpos. But like… You get to have fun, and you support the Devs that work hard to make the content, without feeding your account data to Sony. My perspective shows little to no downside, even considering what benefits Sony.
There’s the bad behaviour we’re not accepting right now, like the awful rootkit. This game is basically perfect for me, and for once my friends play it too, but I’m not touching it so long as rootkit crap exists, especially on a cooperative game.
If they reverse course and everyone still refused to play out of principle, the only thing Sony learns is that they should just double down. The situation becomes a calculated move between the shareholder value linked PSN accounts create vs whatever they permanently lose in playerbase numbers, instead of a give and pull between a corporation and the community for one of its games. Not playing after they give in just tells them that there was no point in walking it back, and they might just reinstate the policy because at least they’ll get that tasty user data out of whoever they didn’t burn the bridge with.
I mean it’s your choice, but I’m just extrapolating what your stance entails if everyone were to take it.
I mean, I guess I understand where you’re coming from. I heard a really smart guy say once, “I reserve the right to get smarter.”
If Sony didn’t do anything people would complain that they stuck because they didn’t listen to their fan base.
Helldivers is a fun little game. I’ll be dropping in tonight. See you on Hellmire.
I think both of these positions are important for coercing Sony. If everyone who was upset left permanently and kept their bad reviews, Sony would have no incentive to backtrack their next boneheaded decision. But it’s also true that if everyone jumps back in as if nothing happens, they have no incentive to avoid excessive greed in the future.
Most of the players will come back, and so Sony will be rewarded for compliance. But some players will be permanently alienated, and those permanently lost profits will be a reminder of what happens when you try to screw your players over.
Hey! You’re entitled to that opinion. I think each person has their level of bullshit tolerance. I think many people will review positively since the game was overall very good for 2 months and the change that would have made it awful was reversed, and willing to give it one or more chances. Others will keep the negative and request a refund, which will hopefully remind Sony not to do it again.
At this point they might not grant more late refunds.