• magiccupcake@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Here I’ll make it simple for you.

    If you block trans teens from receiving gender affirming care, some of them will commit suicide.

    Also 99% of gender affirming care is hormone treatments alone.

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      If you block trans teens from receiving gender affirming care, some of them will commit suicide.

      “They will kill themselves if you dont do x” isn’t an argument. If anything it’s a problem statement.

      If you let them destroy their young, still forming bodies many of them will regret it and commit suicide later when they realize they have irrecoverably destroyed their natural sexual function. They are children with a limited capacity to understand the totality of how this will impact the rest of their life. If doctors and schools communicate openly and honestly with parents (which they don’t) the situation can be handled in ways befitting a minor.

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        if you block depressed people from accessing anti depressants some of them will commit suicide.

        “They will kill themselves if you dont do x” isn’t an argument. If anything it’s a problem statement.

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        If you let them destroy their young, still forming bodies many of them will regret it and commit suicide later when they realize they have irrecoverably destroyed their natural sexual function. They are children with a limited capacity to understand the totality of how this will impact the rest of their life. If doctors and schools communicate openly and honestly with parents (which they don’t) the situation can be handled in ways befitting a minor.

        Actually, the rate of transition regret is remarkably low, including among those who began transitioning early in life. The most common reason for regret is social stigma.

        If you think trans care should be banned because people might regret it, then you need to ban pretty much any permanent medical intervention.

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        You’ll keep getting down voted because you simply don’t know what you are talking about. Or are arguing in bad faith. Suicide is a problem and with trans kids the best ways of reducing that are accepting and supportive parents and gender affirming treatments. The accepting and supporting part is relatively easy the medical aspects, not as much, and if there were easier options you better believe they would be getting used (in fact most places support patients social transitions steps along side medical steps they may be pursuing). The nice overlap here is that for trans youth starting medical steps at the beginning of puberty also comes with the benefit of reducing later in life procedures to undo the permanent (there’s that word again) changes caused by puberty and the particular set of hormones that comes with that.

        As for people understanding themselves and how things will impact their life, you once again swing and miss. While no one knows what will happen and how they may change over time our sense of self does tend to be fairly crystalized in our teen years. The rates of de/retransitioning are really low, and research with those that do shows that it’s only a small portion of those people that have regret (many don’t regret it, they just see things as changing for them). Surgery is a different animal in many ways BUT, rates of regret with gender affirming surgery is actually LOWER than rates of regret for other surgeries (think knee surgery back surgery etc.). It is so low that it is an area being studied in hope of reducing regret for other kinds of surgeries.

        Lastly as for doctors and schools communicating, I don’t know why schools should have any say in what medical or social steps a person takes, they don’t need to be involved at all. Period. (Let me amend that school do have a role in supporting their students, not telling them who they are and how to be themselves). And parents are absolutely involved in any medical steps, it’s already illegal to do most medical procedures with a minor with out adult consent (there are some exceptions to this). Unless it’s some kind of clinic operating outside the usual standards of care, medical transition steps involve mental health evaluations and medical monitoring as well as follow up appointments and monitoring. All parties involved go through medical informing appointment to discuss expected impacts/changes, I clouding those that are permanent and those that are reversible, risks and side effects, and in many places discuss what fertility preservation options are available (this can vary widely depending on state and insurance). It’s an involved process that often takes a long time with many people and experts involved along the way.