• Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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    What we really need is a Schism, and for all the ml domains to defederate from the rest of the lemmyverse, and just become their own thing.

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        It actually would be a good thing. Pariah instances are how the fediverse will have to moderate itself, and these people have shown themselves to be incapable of playing well with others. I purposely avoided joining any of their subs because I saw how toxic their influence was on reddit.

        If you look at peertube, there’s one instance that hosts Steven Crowder and Alex Jones and like two other people who I assume are lesser demons of some kind. I would avoid any instance that doesn’t have the good sense to defederate from that one. This is a similar thing. I doubt the tankies are going to be on the popular side of the schism if it happens, they would have an echo chamber and we would be rid of them.

        The thing about an echo chamber like that is that thanks to the public nature of federation status, it would be obvious who the pariah instances are, so anyone still there would be made aware that they are the minority, not the voice of the people in any way. That’s something that takes longer to notice in a forum like truth social. The numbers might be there for people to see, but it’s a different platform so you can say there’s a slow adoption rate or something, like you can say about Lemmy. With pariah instances there is a direct and obvious comparison, and people have left because your instance fucked up. That’s going to drive all but the most hardcore folks away to other instances.

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          I welcome diversity of opinion. I may accidentally learn something. If I find a poster or instance I find particularly distasteful, I can block them. No need to censor unless it’s human trafficking, CSA., gore, and especially the American exceptionalist vote blue/maga stuff.

          I’m not particularly into right or left wing authoritarianism, but I enjoy learning something beyond typical American propaganda.

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            This isn’t about diversity of opinion. I will happily talk to a tankie and explain why I think they are wrong, unless they’re a toxic asshole in which case I will simply point out that fact. The problem is when tankies get in charge of forums they behave like toxic assholes, and then yeah, I think we should ditch that forum.

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              What’s stopping you from blocking a particular instance? Why do you want to block it from me?

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                Nobody is blocking you from it. You can go find an instance that doesn’t defederate. You can make an account with them. Literally nobody is stopping you.

                If the admins of your instance agree it should be defederated and you disagree, then I guess that instance isn’t a good fit for you.

                This isn’t like… a difficult concept, so I have to ask what it is about it that you’re struggling with.

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                    3 months ago

                    If you can’t even be bothered to write a coherent sentence then I have to say I’m not too concerned about what you have to say.

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            I don’t think you understand just how persistent these people can be, Internet Communist is their personality. The last time I looked, all their memes were thinly veiled jabs at capitalism, or the US, or about their politics in some way, they find a way to shoehorn it into every single conversation.

            They’re also in support of almost everything Russia does, including invading their neighbours, and opposed to everything the US does.

            They’re awful, they’re abrasive, and they get everywhere.

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              Internet Communist is their personality

              Not really, it’s their facade. They’re not actually communists, it’s just a mask they use to spread CCP and Kremlin propaganda. Plus their paid to do it, they’re not authentic.

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          ooh i never knew about the crowder/jones peertube thing, thanks for this analysis!

          also for those downvoting you, it’s not really even an echo chamber. my instance defederates both, nevertheless i hear about shit that goes down on .ml literally daily, same as i am still well aware of the latest on crowder and jones.

          defederation literally just means i’m spared the curse of having to deal with the shit firsthand. i still have no lack of understanding of the positions involved.

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      What we really need is a Schism, and for all the ml domains to defederate from the rest of the lemmyverse, and just become their own thing.

      But due its size, it’s also full of regular people. !linux@lemmy.ml is a good Linux community. Why block the entire instance when the Mao fanboys are just active in certain politics communities?

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          You can move a community with all subscribers? How? Does this work if the server was already defederated? Why defederate an entire server if only specific communities are problematic? Just block those.

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            Basically set up a community with the same name on another instance, and say “everyone go over there”

            If it’s done officially by the mods, then the new community becomes the official one.

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              And that statement is one nobody can read because the server has already been defederated. Doesn’t sound like the best idea. Just block the Mao fanboy communities you don’t like. Definitely a lower impact than blocking sane communities on that server like !Linux@lemmy.ml for everyone.