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    3 months ago

    They have always been for mass killings and genocide. For proof, ask them what should be done to people who reject Muhaammed. Ask them what should happen to someone who quits Islam and becomes atheist.

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      The people saying this shit are conservatives as well. It’s just that they’re Muslim conservatives. Condemning an entire group of people to death is absolutely evil.

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        Conservative muslims are no concerned about what others believe in. That is political Islam that wants to kill every person on the planet who will not bow down to the supremacy of Islam and become a devout muslim.

        Some say to become muslim or pay extra tax if you won’t convert, others say convert or death.

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          It honestly depends on the geographic location. You would be right about this if you were talking about the middle East and Africa. However, Muslim immigrants to North America who are also socially conservative do not generally tend to be so extreme.

          They are however as extreme as the GOP/PPC when it comes to social issues. So yeah, they suck.

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            Except for American born clerics who were guides and inspirators for a few mass casualities and terrorist attacks. There are American and Canadian born muslims who are raised in the ways of genocide and their 50 year plan to replace the population.

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              You always have freaks like that. It depends how powerful a given voting block is. How do American conservative Muslims vote? Do they vote for genocide against non Muslims? They don’t. That’s what I meant.

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                Soe reject voting as a sin. It depends on if they recognize the republic or if they want North America ruled under the authority of a caliphate, even though there isn’t one at the moment. But North American muslims do dream of a global caliphate to rule the planet.

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                  But North American muslims do dream of a global caliphate to rule the planet.

                  Lol what. Source?

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        Eh I wouldn’t call them a “conservative”. Most are socialist but happen to be religious conservatives.

        People are really hard to label.

        I’m conservative and I have nothing in common with most of these people.

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          I’m conservative and I have nothing in common with most of these people.

          You support anti trans and LGBTQ legislation, you support book banning, you support guns in favor of kids, you support taking womens’ rights away from them, you support the apartheid state of Israel and there is a possibility that you support the Jan 6th coup attempt. From my perspective you are no different from these assholes.

          If you claim to be conservative only from an economic sense while being progressive socially, then you are not conservative - you are a liberal.

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            Show me where I have supported those things.

            Find the quote where I said that. Otherwise you are just making shit up

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              You claim to be a conservative. You are in the US. This is the position of the GOP, which is the largest political party representing conservatism. Hence, the definition of a conservative is set by the GOP. The above positions are held by all factions in the GOP (except for Jan 6th).

              Imagine saying “I’m a Nazi” and then asking for quotes for when you said “gas the Jews”.

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                You don’t get to define my views. Either I said it or I didn’t. Otherwise you are building a straw man argument.

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                  But I do. U said so yourself that you are a conservative. In the American context, this is what a conservative means. I can’t be a Nazi and say “we must seize means of production”. Words have meanings.

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        I like how they are threading an insurrection but since they are most likely democrats. It’ll be ignored.

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      This is hate speech tho. Calling for the death of an entire group of people, not all who support genocide.

      This is just like saying “death to Muslims” because some terrorists who happened to be Muslims did 9/11.

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        “Hate speech” is a political bullshit term, used to enable whoever is currently in power to oppress those they disagree with.

        If someone is advocating a crime through speech, treat it that way, not by passing special laws which treats it differently based on the target.

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      I like free speech. It lets genocidal assholes expose themselves. Anyone who wants to massacre more than 300 million people is not someone I want to ever talk to.

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      Are you saying that killing 330 milllion people is better than literally anything the GOP says? Even the most hard core tankie would take pause at that.

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    Did anyone watch the video???

    These people are chanting death to America because of America’s direct involvement in Israel’s genocide of Gaza. You know…America makes it possible for Israel to “protect itself” with American weapons by murdering starving people trying to get aid that Israel would otherwise deny them.

    Who here would allow the hand that feeds you to murder your community with the other with no protest and no other feelings of deep injustice having been done to you?

    The tragedy is that the concerns of these people are dismissed as their being conservative Muslims that want to destroy America. It lends itself to perpetuating the violence that justifies the fear and hatred many have of them.

    But that’s not un-American. Far from it. Americans are all too eager to ignore the concerns of other Americans. After all, Trump is the product of Americans doing exactly. As he said, he is your retribution.

    Here’s a different approach. Maybe America and Americans should try to be less of a raging, violent asshole both in foreign policy and domestically.

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      Are you honestly defending pricks who want to kill 330 million people? Let alone the fake victim complex, 330 million people?

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        Let alone the fake victim complex

        This is a case in point.

        I don’t defend their desire to kill anyone. I have never done that.

        I defend their pain and suffering that you refuse to acknowledge. I get that they hate America for the role it’s played and is still playing in helping Israel transform Gaza into rubble and blood. They have every right to feel as they do.

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          Imagine if they hadn’t killed 1600 people. There wouldn’t be a war right now. If they’d stop shooting rockets at Israel, they’d live in peace.

          Sounds like they need to stop bullying th israelis

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              Sure prove me wrong. Show me where Israel started any of the wars with Hamas. Easy enough to show but it’s never happened. It’s always been Hamas launching rockets or suicide bombing.

              It’s why the West Bank and Gaza are so different. One wants war. One wants peace.