StartAllBack was just the beginning.
  • Zagorath@aussie.zone
    112·
    1 month ago

    ConisioAdmin.exe (Solidworks PDM)

    EaseUS Disk Copy.exe (EaseUS Disk Copy Application)

    ep_dwm.exe (ExplorerPatcher) Included since 22H2

    iCloudServices.exe (iCloud files shared in Explorer via WhatsApp) from 23H2

    RadeonSoftware.exe (AMD GPU perf settings) from23H2

    StartAllBackCfg.exe (StartAllBack) Included since 22H2

    Multi-mon + Copilot (Microsoft)

    MergeSdb (Microsoft)

    Intel IntcOED.sys (Intel)

    Intel IntcAudioBus.sys (Intel) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\IntcAudioBus.sys)

    Realtek 8192su Wireless USB 2.0 Adapter (Realtek) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\RTL8192su.sys)

    • ITeeTechMonkey@lemmy.worldEnglish
      77·
      1 month ago

      I love that Microsoft has Microsoft developed applications on its update/upgrade block list.

      It’s a good reminder that companies arent as cohesive as most people think especially when they are as large as Microsoft.

      • NotSteve_@lemmy.ca
        14·
        1 month ago

        I remember having to reverse engineer an API owned by my own company because our team was too far removed from theirs. The whole situation was crazy

      • Mango@lemmy.world
        11·
        1 month ago

        Maaaan, I can’t even get communication with my shipping department about whether or not they shipped it trashed film rolls that are on hold.

    • Zerush@lemmy.ml
      21·
      1 month ago

      Thanks, I can’t access this site, because it says I have to diseable my adblocker, my adblocker is off on this site, but I don’t feel like deactivating the other protections. Suspicious if a page requires you to enter naked. in Make use of the same thing happens, with the same reasons for not trusting.

      Site test

    • Blizzard@lemmy.zipEnglish
      19·
      1 month ago

      Is any of those free, small and not invasive so I can install it just to prevent an update to Winshit 11?

      • B0rax@feddit.de
        15·
        1 month ago

        The iCloud thing is free. I think it adds a system tray application but I don’t think it does anything if you don’t log in with an Apple account.

        The Realtek Wireless driver should also do nothing if you don’t have the device.

      • michael_palmer@lemmy.sdf.org
        1·
        1 month ago

        I use AtlasOS tweaks with Windows 10 and my system never suggests an upgrade to Windows 11 although updates and MS Store works fine. AtlasOS is the thing that make Windows at least usable.

    • DanVctr@sh.itjust.works
      7·
      1 month ago

      ExplorerPatcher wouldn’t be necessary if they actually stopped removing basic features from Explorer that have existed for over a decade

        • DanVctr@sh.itjust.works
          5·
          1 month ago

          For me personally, I like having my taskbar at the top of the screen. MS removed the ability to change the position of the taskbar in W11. It does a lot more than that, potentially giving you an almost XP like experience if that’s what you want.

  • Mossy Feathers (They/Them)@pawb.social
    47·
    1 month ago

    Those are some interesting choices of apps. Considering some of those sound like professional tools (SOLIDWORKS pdm) or basic drivers/tools (Radeon software, Intel drivers), they may be about to drive more people away from their OS.

    • Damage@feddit.it
      47·
      1 month ago

      You mean the opposite. Booting up your work PC and finding out you can’t do your job because Windows decide to update and break all your software is quite rage-inducing.

      • Salvo@aussie.zoneEnglish
        17·
        1 month ago

        Considering all the Bloatware that Microsoft has been pumping out lately (don’t get me started or Outlook), this may be a good excuse to get a Radeon Graphics Card.

        If I can be guaranteed that installing this software will prevent having to deal with CoPilot, I would jump on that straight away.

      • Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyiEnglish
        11·
        1 month ago

        For what it’s worth, other Start menu replacements like Start11 and Open Shell’s menu aren’t on the list. This might genuinely be a compatibility-related blocker given that iCloud, EaseUS and certain drivers are also on the list.

  • doctortofu
    26·
    1 month ago

    Microsoft, probably: “StartAllBack? Nope, ya little twit, you will use our start menu AND YOU WILL LIKE IT! No installing any of that crap on your our computer!”

      • fernandofig
        3·
        1 month ago

        Apparently it’s not that the software is broken, it’s that the software being installed breaks Windows Update. There are reports from people that uninstalling StartAllBack, updating the OS, then reinstalling it back (renaming the install executable first) works fine.

        As much as being affected by this is frustrating to me (though this is all happening still on the dev channel, so for me it’ll be a problem for the future), I understand Microsoft’s rationale here. They can’t be expected to support every third-party tool that can break the OS, and it’s known that both ExplorerPatcher and StartAllBack relies on many hacks using undocumented APIs to work.

        In the last few decades that I’ve been using Windows, I never felt compelled to use shell replacements or customizations - the default experience always worked fine for me with a few tweaks. So, if anything I’m more frustrated at Microsoft that I’m forced to use StartAllBack, because MS went and removed options from the shell that existed forever and always took for granted, and then some.

        • helenslunch@feddit.nl
          2·
          1 month ago

          They can’t be expected to support every third-party tool that can break the OS

          They don’t have to support it. They just have to let it break. It is your PC. They can issue notifications to their system and add these apps to their troubleshooter as possible conflicts.

          What they abso-fucking-lutely cannot be allowed to do is to decide what software you’re allowed to run on your PC. This is a dangerous precedent and a slippery slope.

        • _tezz@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 month ago

          I’m going to have to disagree here. If they made their operating system in such a way that the update service can be broken by any random developer, and the fact that their own software is on this list, kind of indicates to me that this is a them problem. They can’t be expected to support third party software, but they absolutely can be expected to provide a stable method to deploy patches to their systems. Linux and MacOS don’t share this issue.

          I’m going to guess it’s not very easy to simply fix this problem if you’re an app developer. Intel, AMD, Microsoft itself, et. al. simply wouldn’t jeopardize their own products in this way and I’d bet many of them are unaware this is happening to their software. Some of these call-outs on the list are years-old at this point.

  • 1984@lemmy.today
    19·
    1 month ago

    An operating system should never call home what apps the user has or what the user is doing. That’s an extreme invasion of privacy.

    Why do people still use this? Everyone should immediately take a Linux course and stop being suckers.

    • B0rax@feddit.de
      29·
      1 month ago

      I don’t think it calls home about that. It just looks if there are any „incompatible“ applications installed and blocks the update if it finds any. I guess the goal is to not break anything.

      But sure, you can spin it into a “fuck Microsoft” narrative.

  • heavyboots@lemmy.mlEnglish
    19·
    1 month ago

    The enshitification of Windows compared to macOS has really accelerated a lot recently it seems. I work with both daily and it is weird and irritating how much extra crap keeps getting hurled willy-nilly into Windows updates this last year.

    • helenslunch@feddit.nl
      3·
      1 month ago

      I mean it’s been happening for the last 5-10 years. Did you notice Windows is free now? You know what that means.

      • heavyboots@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        1 month ago

        True, just observing that it’s happening much faster now than it did for the preceding iteration of Windows.

  • gortbrown@lemmy.sdf.org
    17·
    1 month ago

    Imagine being so against people using certain programs on their computer that you straight up deny them software updates.

  • Kairos@lemmy.today
    5·
    1 month ago

    That’s illegal.

    Edit: It’s illegal to lock features of a desktop OS to specific software.

    • RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works
      51·
      1 month ago

      As you can read in line 35,863 of the Terms of Service you agreed to:

      Fuck you you fucking piece of shit. We own you, all of your data, your computer, and your first born child. Just fucking try and sue us. Were worth a trillion fucking dollars, what are you worth? $150,000 of student loan debt for that degree you don’t even use? When we say jump you jump. When we say uninstall the software, you uninstall that fucking software. Capiche?

      • Microsoft© Windows® Terms of Service
    • 1984@lemmy.today
      11·
      1 month ago

      No but it absolutely should be, because people wouldn’t allow a person standing in their living room, writing down everything they do on their computers. But since it’s not visible to the user when it happens, they don’t care. But it’s actually disgusting behavior, we just got used to not being able to stop it.

      Why should we contribute to these companies getting rich from selling our private data??