It’s almost like people’s behaviour worsens as society crumbles, funny that.
The veil has been lifted, and kids are seeing how little prospects exist to live a better life. Home ownership will likely never happen in the UK, and the Tories keep making life worse for everyone except the wealthiest people alive.
In line with parents’ behaviour getting worse.
In line with (past and present) education quality and economic prospects dropping.
It definitely is, and quickly. My year wasn’t exactly well-behaved, but as we grew up and in comparison to older and younger years, we got better. Besides, the badly-behaved students in my year generally only nasty to staff, and can be pretty friendly once you get to know them.
Meanwhile, my brother and several of his friends have effectively been bullied out of school, and the culprits let off with a detention.
The bullies didn’t bully me so therefore they couldn’t be bullies
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That’s not at all what I said.
Besides, the badly-behaved students in my year generally only nasty to staff
Yes it fucking was.
My brother is a few years below me. The point I was trying to make was that behaviour has gone downhill. The badly-behaved students in my year were generally only nasty to staff, and still manageable; but just two years below and they’re the worst people you could meet, who will pick a fight with anyone and anything and won’t stop until you are out of the picture, one way or another.
Deescalate as best you can. The best course is one that never sails troubled waters.
But we all aren’t privileged enough to cruise that lazy river. Do what you can to find what peace is possible in this world. Rapids or no. We all die eventually. For some a curse, for many a blessing.
I think there was a drop post covid. I definitely think part of it is learning disability related. Like a kid with sensory oversensitivity was at home, in the quiet, in their comfortable space, and could control lots of aspects of their environment.
Now they’re in an uncomfortable space, with lots of noise, movement, conflict, and they’re just angry. Things kick off so much more easily than in the past.
think there was a drop post covid
A drop in behaviour you mean?
I heard a number of teachers say that children who went through lockdown, especially the youngest, appear to have social / behavioural issues. They haven’t learnt what acceptable social behaviour is.
Yes, a drop in behaviour. I did originally think that they hadn’t learned acceptable behaviour or had forgotten, but it hasn’t got better, and I do feel like it’s coming from anxiety and stress a lot rather than hijinks like it used to be.
I teach older kids (16-19), so I can’t speak for the really little ones, but I do have prior experience of taking homeschool kids (a lot of homeschool kids do college to prepare for university) and they never had this issue that I’ve seen recently.
They haven’t learnt what acceptable social behaviour is.
It seems no one knows. Yall call this civilization? Cause it don’t seem very civilized.
They’re probably pissed off they’re going to be exploited their entire lives, cradle to grave, and they had no choice in the matter.
Are we talking about the kids or teachers?
Much better when they were sent off to war, or down the mines like in the good old days, eh?
This is almost certainly Covid. We already know it damages the brain and attacks the executive as well as behavioural centres of the brain and children are out sick for twice as long from school directly due to sickness. We are also busy trying to force children with Long Covid, of which there are 68,000 in the UK now, into school and unfortunately that will make them very unwell. Most schools are having to use a lot of substitute teachers due to doubling of sickness and teachers are the second hardest hit profession with Long Covid (behind medical staff).
It will keep getting worse as more and more suffer from Long Covid impacts.
This is almost certainly Covid.
I think there are so many possible factors and that “it’s long COVID” is not just hysteria but entirely unhelpful.
It is kind of weird that everyone who seems to get long covid are the people you suspect might get it. Not met anyone with it IRL and been surprised by the revelation.
Edit: Just to be clear, long covid is definitely real as a phenomenon; there is scientific consensus on that. Was just wondering what predisposes people towards getting it.
My neighbour has it. She was a live wire teacher in her early 39s, fit healthy, joined us on on Parkrun every week. Still suffering, working half days.
I somewhat agree.
It is a real phenomena, but a random assortment of afflictments post COVID with no real test to prove that someone does or doesn’t have it is pretty unhelpful.
I’ll remain sceptical of long COVID until we have hard science that can explain the causes and effects.
You don’t get it, that’s OK. But it’s very real and debilitating, so just try to empathise.
I didn’t say it’s not real. I was just implying that “everything bad is long COVID” is hysteria and that we shouldn’t over react until we have the science that explains the phenomenon.
Or as an alternative hypothesis, social media is fucking up developing minds https://www.sciencenews.org/article/social-media-teens-mental-health
I suspect it is more likely to be the societal impact of children being out of school for an extended amount of time. Teachers are reporting that there is a multiplier effect where children are 3-4 years behind where they ought to be despite only missing 14-18 months of school.
Long covid might be having an effect but it’s a bit of a deus ex machina in terms of explaining why kids are misbehaving. Young people were resistent to the worst effects from covid and we already have an explanation with the pure disruption of missing a lot of school/routine.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A greater proportion of primary and secondary teachers reported pupils fighting, pushing and shoving compared with two years ago.
Lorraine Meah has been a primary school teacher for 35 years, for the last five of which she has chosen to do supply work - covering lessons on an ad-hoc basis - because it is more flexible.
In 2022, it was rated “inadequate” by Ofsted, whose inspectors found poor behaviour by pupils, including frequent fighting, made others feel unsafe.
Dr Patrick Roach, general secretary of the NASUWT union, says teachers are reporting that violence and abuse in schools “have risen notably” since the pandemic.
“It can be face-to-face, on the telephone, on social media… enough is enough,” says Debra de Muschamp, a regional NAHT secretary who runs three primary schools in north-east England.
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Standards are just dropping all over the country, certain places are worse than others admittedly.
But all of society is just fucked. People say that wearing your pajamas to the store is a good thing because why should anyone tell you what to wear. But like come on, it just shows no one gives a fuck about anything anymore. And no ones gives a fuck anywhere.
The way the country is going it is doomed and I actually don’t think anything can solve it. Maybe that’s just what happens to humans when we reach a certain level of prosperity. Though Japan doesn’t seem to be getting worse, maybe the language barrier is protecting them or maybe it is better there.
The Japanese work culture is an absolute dumpster fire - the reason all their media is focused on highschoolers is that high school was the last time anyone had a shred of freedom.
But broadly, yeah - there’s not much incentive to respect the norms of a system that’s completely fucked you, then demands compliance.
I work for a Japanese company, and they have a Japanese corporate liaison type of office that answers back to their HQ.
Taking that job involves getting a work visa and relocating your family, and people line up to take those positions. They love it because it’s American work hours. For those guys, it’s the best thing ever. You put in your 8-9 hours and then go home. No more sitting at the office waiting for someone to be the first one to go home so everyone else can leave.
…before attending the definitely voluntary after work drinks and trundling home to your shoebox out in the inaka.
Japan has always been like that yet its better than it was. The UK is worse than it was.
That trend is much worse than any individual snapshot.
It’s just respect for people around you. No one cares.
Better/worse depends on your frame of reference…
The UK is generally worse than it was 50 years ago, and better than it was 150 years ago. It’s generally better than Japan today.
Not being an arsehole is a pretty decent start whatever the case is.
