New York declared a state of emergency, took 1.5 billion dollars in funds, and deployed the military. That shit worked. Heres a direct link if you dont believe me.
All it took was 30,000 illegals.
That shit “worked” because republicans were intentionally causing chaos that isn’t inherently a part of taking in refugees. I’m pretty sure I’ve already explained this to you in a different thread, but I’ll explain it again.
If you have 10 bags that can each hold 100 marbles, and each one is currently holding 80 marbles, you have room for 200 more marbles. But if you send 200 marbles to a single bag, the bag will break.
The correct move is to evenly distribute the marbles so no one bag takes on too much. But republicans are intentionally sending all 200 marbles to one bag to break it to make a point that completely misses the point democrats are making, which is that the marbles should be evenly distributed so as not to cause problems, and naturally the bags will losen/grow over time so they will eventually be able to handle more.
But every time any immigration reform comes to the table to fix this issue, republicans shoot it down in congress.
You guys are intentionally preventing a solution, while intentionally causing more problems because you’re unhappy there isn’t a solution. The “playing chess with a pigeon” phrase doesn’t do it justice to explain what clowns republicans representatives are acting like on this issue.
Can refugees murder people? No? Then the laws still apply to them.
That shit “worked” because republicans were intentionally causing chaos that isn’t inherently a part of taking in refugees.
Theyre illegals. Chaos is inherent with illegally immigrats.
If you have 10 bags that can each hold 100 marbles, and each one is currently holding 80 marbles, you have room for 200 more marbles. But if you send 200 marbles to a single bag, the bag will break.
NYC has a population of 23 million. Its bag is very big.
Eagle Pass has a population of 28,596. Its bag is a thousand times smaller.
I’m not sure thats the argument you want to make.
But every time any immigration reform comes to the table to fix this issue, republicans shoot it down in congress.
That bill was to open the border. Republicans shot it down correctly.
I never suggested otherwise.
Yes, you did. “Refugees” illegally immigrate and claim asylum when they get caught. They broke the law.
Do nothing, allow the status quo of chaos to continue
Reform the immigration system, allow people to immigrate cheaply and quickly so long as they are able to prove their identity, or show evidence for need of asylum. Orderly distribute the population so no one city has to adjust quickly.
Option number two is not chaotic, option one is. Republicans are choosing option one, chaos.
NYC has a population of 23 million. Its bag is very big. Eagle Pass has a population of 28,596. Its bag is a thousand times smaller. I’m not sure thats the argument you want to make.
As shocking as it is, I am aware different cities have different populations and abilities.
Which is why the distribution of immigrants should be distributed evenly per capita, with some consideration for cost of living. We’ve got plenty of wealth, resources, and space to give these people a place to live. We’re just doing stupid shit with our taxes and land.
We landed on the moon. We can handle building some housing. And we already produce plenty of food.
And at the end of the day, immigrants are a net positive economically. It takes a while and an upfront cost, but it is worth it in the long run economically. And they produce less crime than the existing population, so your scare tactics of crime are just silly.
And that’s even before the morality aspect of this, given that we destroyed their countries, and providing them a place to exist is the least we can do.
That bill was to open the border.
No it wasn’t. And regardless, I was speaking towards a general trend, not just that one bill.
Yes, you did. “Refugees” illegally immigrate and claim asylum when they get caught. They broke the law.
It’s a generally misdemeanor in the face of a broken bureaucracy. And even then, it isn’t always a crime, as about half of them arrive legally and overstay their welcome.
And even to the extent that illegal entry is a part of this, in no way am I suggesting that “laws don’t apply to murder” like you said. Quit being dishonest about what I am saying.
Reform the immigration system, allow people to immigrate cheaply and quickly so long as they are able to prove their identity, or show evidence for need of asylum. Orderly distribute the population so no one city has to adjust quickly.
Are you seriously suggesting an open border? In a country with welfare? Surely you can see why its a bad idea.
Which is why the distribution of immigrants should be distributed evenly per capita, with some consideration for cost of living. We’ve got plenty of wealth, resources, and space to give these people a place to live. We’re just doing stupid shit with our taxes and land.
And those are not infinite. If we dont use them wisely, we will run into shortages.
30,000 was enough to overwhelm NYC, with a population of 23 million. It would take roughly 400,000 to match that ratio nationwide. We have had 7.5 million encouters since Biden took over, and those are just the ones that got caught, and its not like we werent getting 200,000 every year before. I wouldnt be surprised if a solid 5% of people in America were illegals at this point.
We don’t really need to increase taxes for this, we have the money, but we are passing it away doing stupid things like funding the genocide in Gaza, giving the rich tax breaks, etc.
But regardless, I don’t mind if my taxes go up for it, as it is an important issue that actually effects people. I’d rather live in a country where the entire population is paying taxes and having rights.
And at the end of the day, immigrants are a net positive for the economy in most cases. Them paying taxes will lower the need for me to pay taxes. It’s an upfront cost to get them set up with their lives here, but I’m willing to pay for it.
No. Illegal entry and overstays should still be handled/prosecuted. But for those that want to immigrate the process should be usable, as of right now it isn’t. There are people who have been on the wait list for years, spending thousand of dollars that they don’t have to begin with because latin american jobs don’t pay well. So lots of then try to bypass it.
Instead or pissing away resources on it, it would be far better to let them work and pay taxes. A lot of them are already paying taxes. Fine by me if they stay.
In a country with welfare?
Immigrants do not qualify for most forms of welfare. My girlfriend was born in the U.S., lived in a foreign country for most of her life, then came back and became disabled. She was not eligible for a shit load of things because she had no work history, despite being a full U.S. citizen.
For actual immigrants it is even worse. So this point of yours doesn’t hold any water, especially considering that immigrants are a net benefit to the economy (and therefore tax revenue).
And those are not infinite. If we dont use them wisely, we will run into shortages.
I never said they were infinite. But we got plenty to spare.
30,000 was enough to overwhelm NYC, with a population of 23 million.
30,000 dropped off haphazardly, without warning, all at once, in a single city. You’re ignoring all the reasons why it was problematic.
We are doing “stupid shit with our taxes and land” by letting illegals overwhelm us.
We’re just talking in circles, but I already wrote this up, so here.
No. Illegal entry and overstays should still be handled/prosecuted. But for those that want to immigrate the process should be usable, as of right now it isn’t. There are people who have been on the wait list for years, spending thousand of dollars that they don’t have to begin with because latin american jobs don’t pay well. So lots of then try to bypass it.
The process is already usable. It just takes a bit because 7 million in 3 years, we as a country can not take that many that quickly, so we make them wait their turn.
Instead or pissing away resources on it, it would be far better to let them work and pay taxes. A lot of them are already paying taxes. Fine by me if they stay.
Yes paying sales when you buy a stick of gum is technically paying taxes, but no. They are not stealing people’s identities just so they can pay taxes.
Immigrants do not qualify for most forms of welfare. My girlfriend was born in the U.S., lived in a foreign country for most of her life, then came back and became disabled. She was not eligible for a shit load of things because she had no work history, despite being a full U.S. citizen.
Schools are welfare. Fire fighters are welfare. Roads are welfare (just ask /c/fuckcars about this one) Welfare is not just straight up giving people medicare and medicaid.
I never said they were infinite. But we got plenty to spare.
Not that much, and we won’t have any if we keep pissing it away.
30,000 dropped off haphazardly, without warning, all at once, in a single city. You’re ignoring all the reasons why it was problematic.
WTF do you think illegal immigrating is?
10m/331mil = 3% of the population. That’s not overwhelming in the least.
Yes it is, just look at NYC. We’re talking in circles here.
The baby boomers exploded the population by 50%, and they didn’t start working until their teens.
We didn’t need to deploy the military because of them either, or spend a billion dollars. We’ve been over this. Maybe it’s the fact they didn’t illegally immigrate, and had families to take care of them, instead of the state?
That shit “worked” because republicans were intentionally causing chaos that isn’t inherently a part of taking in refugees. I’m pretty sure I’ve already explained this to you in a different thread, but I’ll explain it again.
If you have 10 bags that can each hold 100 marbles, and each one is currently holding 80 marbles, you have room for 200 more marbles. But if you send 200 marbles to a single bag, the bag will break.
The correct move is to evenly distribute the marbles so no one bag takes on too much. But republicans are intentionally sending all 200 marbles to one bag to break it to make a point that completely misses the point democrats are making, which is that the marbles should be evenly distributed so as not to cause problems, and naturally the bags will losen/grow over time so they will eventually be able to handle more.
But every time any immigration reform comes to the table to fix this issue, republicans shoot it down in congress.
You guys are intentionally preventing a solution, while intentionally causing more problems because you’re unhappy there isn’t a solution. The “playing chess with a pigeon” phrase doesn’t do it justice to explain what clowns republicans representatives are acting like on this issue.
I never suggested otherwise.
Theyre illegals. Chaos is inherent with illegally immigrats.
NYC has a population of 23 million. Its bag is very big.
Eagle Pass has a population of 28,596. Its bag is a thousand times smaller.
I’m not sure thats the argument you want to make.
That bill was to open the border. Republicans shot it down correctly.
Yes, you did. “Refugees” illegally immigrate and claim asylum when they get caught. They broke the law.
No it isn’t. We have options:
Do nothing, allow the status quo of chaos to continue
Reform the immigration system, allow people to immigrate cheaply and quickly so long as they are able to prove their identity, or show evidence for need of asylum. Orderly distribute the population so no one city has to adjust quickly.
Option number two is not chaotic, option one is. Republicans are choosing option one, chaos.
As shocking as it is, I am aware different cities have different populations and abilities.
Which is why the distribution of immigrants should be distributed evenly per capita, with some consideration for cost of living. We’ve got plenty of wealth, resources, and space to give these people a place to live. We’re just doing stupid shit with our taxes and land.
We landed on the moon. We can handle building some housing. And we already produce plenty of food.
And at the end of the day, immigrants are a net positive economically. It takes a while and an upfront cost, but it is worth it in the long run economically. And they produce less crime than the existing population, so your scare tactics of crime are just silly.
And that’s even before the morality aspect of this, given that we destroyed their countries, and providing them a place to exist is the least we can do.
No it wasn’t. And regardless, I was speaking towards a general trend, not just that one bill.
It’s a generally misdemeanor in the face of a broken bureaucracy. And even then, it isn’t always a crime, as about half of them arrive legally and overstay their welcome.
https://www.aclu.org/wp-content/uploads/legal-documents/FINAL_criminalizing_undocumented_immigrants_issue_brief_PUBLIC_VERSION.pdf
Big whoop.
And even to the extent that illegal entry is a part of this, in no way am I suggesting that “laws don’t apply to murder” like you said. Quit being dishonest about what I am saying.
Are you seriously suggesting an open border? In a country with welfare? Surely you can see why its a bad idea.
And those are not infinite. If we dont use them wisely, we will run into shortages.
30,000 was enough to overwhelm NYC, with a population of 23 million. It would take roughly 400,000 to match that ratio nationwide. We have had 7.5 million encouters since Biden took over, and those are just the ones that got caught, and its not like we werent getting 200,000 every year before. I wouldnt be surprised if a solid 5% of people in America were illegals at this point.
https://homeland.house.gov/2023/10/26/factsheet-final-fy23-numbers-show-worst-year-at-americas-borders-ever/
We are doing “stupid shit with our taxes and land” by letting illegals overwhelm us.
You claimed laws dont apply to so-called “refugees”, don’t lie about the very thread we’re in.
The real question is how more in taxes are liberals willing to pay to support all the illegal aliens? I’m willing to pay zero.
We don’t really need to increase taxes for this, we have the money, but we are passing it away doing stupid things like funding the genocide in Gaza, giving the rich tax breaks, etc.
But regardless, I don’t mind if my taxes go up for it, as it is an important issue that actually effects people. I’d rather live in a country where the entire population is paying taxes and having rights.
And at the end of the day, immigrants are a net positive for the economy in most cases. Them paying taxes will lower the need for me to pay taxes. It’s an upfront cost to get them set up with their lives here, but I’m willing to pay for it.
No. Illegal entry and overstays should still be handled/prosecuted. But for those that want to immigrate the process should be usable, as of right now it isn’t. There are people who have been on the wait list for years, spending thousand of dollars that they don’t have to begin with because latin american jobs don’t pay well. So lots of then try to bypass it.
Instead or pissing away resources on it, it would be far better to let them work and pay taxes. A lot of them are already paying taxes. Fine by me if they stay.
Immigrants do not qualify for most forms of welfare. My girlfriend was born in the U.S., lived in a foreign country for most of her life, then came back and became disabled. She was not eligible for a shit load of things because she had no work history, despite being a full U.S. citizen.
For actual immigrants it is even worse. So this point of yours doesn’t hold any water, especially considering that immigrants are a net benefit to the economy (and therefore tax revenue).
I never said they were infinite. But we got plenty to spare.
30,000 dropped off haphazardly, without warning, all at once, in a single city. You’re ignoring all the reasons why it was problematic.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/11/16/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/
10m/331mil = 3% of the population. That’s not overwhelming in the least.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/baby-boomers
The baby boomers exploded the population by 50%, and they didn’t start working until their teens.
Comparatively, most immigrants are able bodied when they get here from day one, and able to provide for themselves unlike during the baby boomers.
We handled the baby boomers, therefore we can handle a fraction of the impact of immigration.
No I didn’t.
We’re just talking in circles, but I already wrote this up, so here.
The process is already usable. It just takes a bit because 7 million in 3 years, we as a country can not take that many that quickly, so we make them wait their turn.
Yes paying sales when you buy a stick of gum is technically paying taxes, but no. They are not stealing people’s identities just so they can pay taxes.
Schools are welfare. Fire fighters are welfare. Roads are welfare (just ask /c/fuckcars about this one) Welfare is not just straight up giving people medicare and medicaid.
Not that much, and we won’t have any if we keep pissing it away.
WTF do you think illegal immigrating is?
Yes it is, just look at NYC. We’re talking in circles here.
We didn’t need to deploy the military because of them either, or spend a billion dollars. We’ve been over this. Maybe it’s the fact they didn’t illegally immigrate, and had families to take care of them, instead of the state?
Yes you did.
They can use an ein for that purpose. Hell if we found an illegal alien using an ein. I’d fully support them getting a visa
Yeah, I can get behind that. Shows that they at least give some sort of shit.