I call BS. Russia can’t even fight Ukraine much less the American Army. While we have become silly woke, we can still defeat Russia. Europe on the other hand may want to learn Russian. Trump warned them and they didn’t listen.

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    The article basically says that citizens of NATO countries should be prepared in general. Think along the lines of WW2 style homefront production, conservation and recycling to support a “war effort”

    I don’t fear Russians at the moment. I fear the military production/training they are scrambling to ramp up and what impact their new military will have in the future.

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      The population of Russia is declining They peaked in the 90’s.

      Build what they want, they won’t challenge America but they may challenge Europe. We just need to stay out of the fight until NATO wants to pay their dues.

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        We just need to stay out of the fight until NATO wants to pay their dues.

        Pay up or be obliterated. Your choice.

        #AmericanHegemony

        America is going to have it’s hands full with China anyway.

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          We created the monster China has become. We should have never started sending our jobs there.

          I am very curious how their equipment stacks up to ours. They claim to have similar capabilities but I question the quality.

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            They just launched their first super carrier. The US has twelve.

            The US spends as much as the next ten countries combined on military.

            I ain’t saying money is everything in this game but that’s orders of magnitude differences in materiel, resources, and basic infrastructural capabilities.

            The US has enough nuclear missiles on subs to do whatever, and this is what we know about. I forget the numbers, but something like a typical nuclear sub has 6 missiles, each with numerous (12?) independent warheads. Just an example of the insane resource levels we’re talking about. And again, this is what’s public knowledge.

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            The closest the US will get to fighting China is a Taiwan proxy war. We’ll still get to see how well their stealth aircraft work, probably not that well considering they just figured out how to bury the exhaust nozzle inside the airframe. We’ll get to see how well their missiles work, an area they are closer to the US, as long as they don’t use water as fuel. We’ll get to see how well their ships anti missile/drone tech is really only the US and Israel have had to defend against those kinds of attacks.

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              China hasn’t had a conflict in years. I suspect their units will not do well in a war. None of their equipment is battle-tested and most of them appear to be poorly constructed. Their J-20 is underpowered. Where their real advantage is manufacturing which was our advantage in ww2. China can out produce the US if it came to a war and that is concerning.

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                I agree. Better equipment and training can be offset by basic equipment and sheer numbers. The US found that out in Korea, and the Germans found out in the Eastern front

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            They claim to have similar capabilities but I question the quality.

            Even if, and that’s a big if, their equipment is all they crack it up to be, the US still maintains overwhelming superiority through volume alone.

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              The US could just launch materiel at China - boats, jeeps, whatever, and not run out of things for years.

              Of course conventional warfare really isn’t on the table with China.

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    This is why we need to ditch nato. American civilians shouldn’t have to be prepared for a war over some eurotrash land conflicts. We’ve made that mistake far too many times. Let Europe resolve their own shit

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      I would value NATO more if it really was NATO and not just the US protecting Europe.

      Until a country spends 2% of its GDP on defense, we shouldn’t defend them.

      It would be hard for any country to invade us except Canada and Mexico. We are already being invaded by Mexico and Canada, lol. they’d just say they are sorry.

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        Until a country spends 2% of its GDP on defense, we shouldn’t defend them.

        Even then, it’s still a total waste on our end. Barring situations that are so absurdly unrealistic they border on fictional “what ifs”, there’s nothing that could happen that would reasonably cause the US to rely on nato for defense that we don’t have the capabilities to do better ourselves.

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      I mean, all of these Russia-USA shenanigans are not really Europe’s fault. Since WWII the USA started influencing world politics, you can’t really say this is just eurotrash land conflict