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As an American, I have to agree.
I’d hope my fellow Americans here on Lemmy are a little more informed than our run of the mill mouth breathers.
I don’t know. Some time ago, my 20-year-old, Ron-Paul-adoring self was ranting and raving to everyone who would listen about how SOPA and PIPA were about to destroy the internet.
In other words, there are occasionally some people on the right who latch onto good ideas (like a free and open internet) that seemingly require tech knowledge.
Unfortunately, the world doesn’t comprise purely of Americans
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I wouldn’t say unfortunately, exactly… :P
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I’m not saying they should, but… Yes they do?
What was I doing?
You are not. Politics should be world politics and countries can have their specified version like “US Politics” or whatever.
No one is stopping anyone from putting world politics and news in those threads are they?
Like moderators aren’t removing content.
I feel like we could use some more submissions from these other regions.
No one is stopping anyone from putting world politics and news in those threads are they?
The mods over there are, actually. Read the rules there.
Yeah reading the mod log there. Those are Reddit mods on lemmy thinking their fiefdom is hyper specific when lemmy just isn’t that big to have country specific politics communities.
And frankly to remove videos of relevant nature or articles because “hunter biden isn’t a politician” is just not using your big boy brain. Of course he’s not a politician but his case sure as hell is political and is being used as a political football. To argue it’s not is just crazy.
Sounds like, in light of this, the instance admin should probably take a look. Seems a little crazy to me.
Thats a valid option. Problem is, the user base of most social media si overwhelmingly from north america. When having not as many users from other regions, its difficult to have a balance. I agree that there should be a community specifically for US news and politics. Also, i bet the second most large user base is western european.
I mean. Lemmys filters arent always just straight upvote related though.
Things like Hot or even New Comments are based on clicks and discussion/participation.
Its probably true that certain countries or events would dominate some of these more active submission (ie: Ukraine War, US Politics) but theres still plenty to be seen.
I dont know. There will come a point where some level of delineation is needed. But the complaining and arrogance, especially coming from someone that has posted a total of 1 other time, seems…drama.
Again you’ve added a good point. Although i have empathy for op, since me too i lurk most of the time, never posted, and yet i see the thing being centered around either the us or europe.
We actually don’t know whether the userbase of lemmy is “overwhelmingly from North America”. It wasn’t a majority on reddit, so I suspect that it is even less the case here.
Probably because “Politics” is an english word and of the English-speaking users, Americans make up the largest portion.
I would expect Politique to be full of French politics and Politik to be about German politics and política to be about Spanish (or maybe Mexican) politics.
That is a disingenous argument, since we are mostly all using English on the internet.
That is probably the most incorrect statement I’ve heard in a while. The internet is, to paraphrase Douglas Adams, big. You just won’t believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. The english speaking part of the internet is a good chunk of that but it’s certainly not “most” of it.
‘Politik’ is the same in the Nordic countries (Denmark, Sweden and Norway) as well, so that would have to be split up as well. The same could be said about politics as Ireland, Great Britain, New Zealand, Australia and so on, have the same word for that.
If you create a community you should append the nation if it’s a common word. Otherwise it should default to worldwide.
You seem to have missed my point. The issues in any community, regardless of how many countries use the language associated with the community name, are going to favor the country with the majority of users. Unless you just register all the generic community names and squat on them, that’s just how it’s naturally going to wind up.
It definitely is nothing of the sort. It ends up that way because someone deliberately makes it so. There is no natural law about this thing.
It’s because a lot of people migrating from Reddit landed on .world and created or found their familiar named communities and that’s how it was on Reddit - US centric top level type communities.
Is .world the best place for US centric communities? Maybe not just based on nomenclature but since you asked why, that’s the reasoning. It’s in the description of Politics specifically (it even calls out migrating Redditors).
It’s because to Americans (including myself), .com is the US domain.
There’s google.com and google.de. There’s amazon.com and amazon.co.uk, etc.
.us is reserved for government’s sites by social convention. Someone can have a private .us site, but it’s a bit odd that they didn’t just use the .com.
Agree, but where is the big US based feddit.com instance? The only one I can think of is reddthat.com, and I’m not even sure it’s US based.
LW is in Europe, SJW in Canada, Lemm.ee managed by an Estonian citizen, Sopuli by a Finn, Lemmy.ml in France
I agree !politics shouldn’t be explicitly US centric, but news is not per their rules. Post more non-American focused stories and be the change you want to see in the world. As for !politics, the first come first served nature of claiming communities means the Reddit migrators just created a clone of the US focused subreddit. It is what it is, I don’t see it being an issue as anyone can make another politics community on another server.
You’re running into multiple issues.
One is that everyone forgets who actually decides the rules for a given C/. This happened all the time on reddit. The mods make the rules, period. That’s how lemmy is set up, though admins have veto power of course.
Since whoever creates a community is the top mod, they get to decide what the usage of the sub is.
When you have an umbrella term like politics, news, knives, cars, users come into it with their own preconceived assumptions of what that C/ should be about. Often to a degree that shows their arrogance as much as anything the mods do. It was a long running battle on r/edc with people thinking their definition of the term was the only acceptable one. Happened in morbidquestions all the time too.
But the hard truth is that no forum can be a bottom up organization unless every single person using it inherently thinks in that cooperative way. And that is impossible. The only way you could make a C/ where every user is in perfect agreement about the rules and usage is to have it set up by the group and closed to outsiders.
Now, you’ve also run into the language fallacy. You’ve forgotten that an forum with a name in a specific language is going to be predominantly filled with things in that language. You aren’t going to find many news reports in Korean on an english based C/, and that’s the majority of internal news about korea.
English is currently the ironic lingua franca of the world, but there’s still only a handful of countries where it’s the default. So, on a news or politics C/ with those words as the name, you have to expect a majority of the posts to be from or about those countries.
With that in mind, you have to remember that reddit was predominantly american. Most of these newer communities here were started by r/efugees, directly carrying over the names of subs. Most of the users looking for those C/ names are also ex redditors looking for the familiar. They’ll be american, posting things about american news and politics.
Since the “owners” (really head mods, but you know) make the rules, and they’ve decided to limit things, there’s really nothing anyone can do unless instance owners step in. And what’s not actually something we want happening very often.
I don’t think it’s arrogance. It’s just habit and familiarity.
Now, do I think that anyone running an umbrella C/ should be aware of that fact and not artificially limit things to one facet? Hell yes, the rule is a bad one. But it ain’t my C/, and it’s a big fediverse where we can have !news in fifteen different places, run them as a proper umbrella community and let the users migrate wherever they prefer.
This isn’t reddit. It’s nigh impossible for one person to squat a C/ name at all, much less on every instance.
Shit, afaik, there’s no rule against setting one up and actively notifying users on C/ twins on other instances. There’s a shit ton of people that will be very happy to subscribe to both, or a dozen. None of “my” C/s have duplicates currently, but anyone that sets one up is more than welcome to advertise the fact politely. Hell, if they bother to let me know, I’d link that shit in the sidebar.
It’s way more arrogant to describe it as arrogant. What should the mods do, delete posts about American politics?
Balance it out if it bugs you…don’t act like a community is arrogant by not catering to you while still following its own guidelines. Lead the charge of posting world news there
Rule #2 on /c/politics:
Must be articles relevant to US political news. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed.
Beehaw has it as World News and US News and those two far predates the ones on lemmy.world.
It seems lemmy.world is just increasingly just all Reddit refugees and they’re copying over subreddits 1:1.
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Lol wtf?
It’s yet another dumb reddit joke that has been brought over
The real reason is it was/is this way on Reddit. You might as well ask why we say “hello” instead of “ahoy!” when answering the phone.
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The Fediverse is largely unregulated outside of the basic human-decency rules. So, people can do whatever they want, and these are just the things people have made so far.
Any person can attempt to address this by making more of the kinds of communities they are interested in, and then steadily posting content to them to see if they can grow them. They can name the community however they wish.
Oh, and Americans are very arrogant. It’s a part of our culture, if we’re being fair. Just look at the stuff our film industry makes, and remember that does reflect our broader culture. How often do we tell the overall story of a humbled, or humble-and-stays-humble protag? Not very. Once in awhile (Luke Skywalker or the first couple Terminator films for instance), and its often a big hit, but we like our flashy popcorn flicks with very not-humble protags more. Like, how humble is Batman?
edit: 100% unrelated to this thread, and I don’t really feel like making one, but I’m currently under a really fascinating downvote bomb pattern that started about a half hour ago.
If you check my profile, you’ll see that even an extremely innocuous comment from yesterday thanking someone for clarifying some information just picked up 11 downvotes. It had 0 an hour ago.
Anyone else experience anything like this yet?
I haven’t experienced it (yet) but I saw comments yesterday talking about downvote bombers. Definitely not your imagination.
I just bombed you with an upvote.
Thanks. :p I’m not so worried about the internet points, but the existence of a script that could be easily downloaded and used concerns me a good bit. This doesn’t look like human behavior, I’ve been watching, and it’s too methodical and regular.
It’s also only happening with content I posted to lemmy.world, nowhere else on the Fediverse.
A couple of my comments have been downvoted quickly after posting today, but this is also a thread about being frustrated by Americans so you explaining how Americans are may have rustled some jimmies
It’s not this comment that started it, I made this comment well after it had already started.
And besides, being called arrogant is extremely unlikely to offend any of us. We are arrogantly aware of and enjoy our arrogance. We do not really consider arrogance to be a negative personality trait, necessarily. It depends on context to become negative.
Oh I meant non-Americans annoyed at how matter-of-fact we are about being arrogant may be going after you, but it’s speculation and sounds like it’s not the case based upon your further context
Ah, I see. Yes, I suppose I could see that. But yeah, the rest of it makes it unlikely. I doubt any would be upset enough to turn some kind of script on that goes through and puts my recent comments, on one Instance only, into the negative.
Interestingly, they seem to have turned it off. Or it could be because the initial comment that I vaguely suspect did start it, where I called out a troll a few hours ago, has now been deleted.
I’ve been checking back in really regularly though, to track what was happening. It was about 1 downvote/10-15 minutes or so, going until the comments were between -1 and -6 votes, and keeping them there as other people upvoted. It seems to cap out at a certain threshold though, and a select few of my posts were ignored, or less-affected.
It was very interesting. I’m actually a little miffed it stopped, as I was planning some more proper experiments to learn more about it.
It’s because everything is American politics. There’s only two kinds of people in this world: Americans, and Americans who don’t yet know they’re American. We’re just giving the Americans who don’t yet know their own little space so they don’t annoy us
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This is the path to anime_titties.
European settler colonialists, European labor aristocracy, European genocide beneffitters… What makes you think they’re gonna behave differently on the Internet?
