No power to the membership. All power to the moderators. No courts. No legal process. Moderators’ rule is law. No necessity to even explain or justify their actions. As if it were their house.
There’s always going to be someone taking care of the platform you’re using. You’re free to make your own instance or community too
I agree some platforms need more oversight boards and options for arbitration, in particular when the automated systems make mistakes and there’s no way to fix it.
However that adds a WHOLE LOT of overheard, something that the one Lemmy community you’re upset about does not have the capacity for
I started a community (forgottenweapons) here because I missed that content from when I used Reddit. So I’m a mod by default.
I think the issue is the ‘assuming good auto moderation’ part. We’ve seen attempts in video games at auto moderation. That ends up in comedic errors like banning Spanish people for saying the word black in their native tongues.
I think a human touch will always be necessary in these kinds of judgement calls. Or at least they will be for some time.
I think a human touch will always be necessary in these kinds of judgement calls.
Definitely. I know of someone who got automatically banned for writing a comment like “that guy must be hung” (as in “having a big member”) as a jokingly lighthearted reply in a comment thread of people just messing around. The bot interpreted it as “someone has to hang that guy” and slammed down the ban hammer for inciting violence.
And actual human being would have instantly realized from the context that there was no need to interfere, but bots are tone-deaf.
No power to the membership. All power to the moderators. No courts. No legal process. Moderators’ rule is law. No necessity to even explain or justify their actions. As if it were their house.
There’s always going to be someone taking care of the platform you’re using. You’re free to make your own instance or community too
I agree some platforms need more oversight boards and options for arbitration, in particular when the automated systems make mistakes and there’s no way to fix it.
However that adds a WHOLE LOT of overheard, something that the one Lemmy community you’re upset about does not have the capacity for
An unjust system is a filter that prefers stupid. I think that’s fair to say. And with time the stupid only amplifies via positive feedback.
So it’s a choice between stupid and chaos.
Hmm, tough choice.
So… run a better one and people will follow?
Ya I know.
Thing is, I’m an outlier. I post strange stuff. And the 99% is the opposite. So our ideas of what’s comfortable may differ.
Or maybe I’m just posting to the wrong subs
Oh, that’s what you mean. It’s not so bad in that regard considering anyone can run an instance, there’s no “highest court” that has a final word.
Instance-runners have final word over their own instance, of course, but I can’t see how else that could work.
You’re on someone else’s server, after all.
But it’s our conversation.
You imply that the server has greater value than the conversation. That isn’t so.
What alternative system would you propose?
Something algorithmic. I have a couple ideas in that direction.
Assuming a good moderation automation, what good reason would anybody have for wanting the job?
I started a community (forgottenweapons) here because I missed that content from when I used Reddit. So I’m a mod by default.
I think the issue is the ‘assuming good auto moderation’ part. We’ve seen attempts in video games at auto moderation. That ends up in comedic errors like banning Spanish people for saying the word black in their native tongues.
I think a human touch will always be necessary in these kinds of judgement calls. Or at least they will be for some time.
Definitely. I know of someone who got automatically banned for writing a comment like “that guy must be hung” (as in “having a big member”) as a jokingly lighthearted reply in a comment thread of people just messing around. The bot interpreted it as “someone has to hang that guy” and slammed down the ban hammer for inciting violence.
And actual human being would have instantly realized from the context that there was no need to interfere, but bots are tone-deaf.
Well that would be an example of automation that needs improving.
That’s what software developers do, right?