Your reading comprehension is lacking - my point is exactly the opposite. I’m not going to shit on someone fighting for a cause that matters to them because they’re not taking time out of their day to fight for LGBT individuals. Also, you know it’s possible to support multiple causes simultaneously, right? My problem with BadAdvice is not that they’re fighting for native american rights, which is a just cause in my eyes. My problem is they’re telling us we shouldn’t be paying so much attention to LGBT issues because native american issues aren’t getting enough attention - as if that’s something LGBT individuals even desire or control.
Ok. So you are ok if there are people that don’t support your cause then correct? Because I see so many in your camp villifying those that stay silent or don’t support the cause.
You can fight for multiple causes. The problem BadAdvice is bringing up is that LGBT and a few other politically tensioned issues like BLM are the only ones that get media coverage. You have genocide happening in Palestine, Xinjiang region, Kashmir, etc. And no one bats an eye. Government doesn’t care about anything unless it involves them profiting off of it. Same goes for mainstream media because they know the left and right will get triggered when BLM and LGBT is brought up. So I understand BadAdvice’s plight.
What LGBT and BLM folks can do is switch the narrative and instead of talking about their specific rights, talk about the broader rights that extend to every group.
You need to get off the internet and meet some regular LGBT people if you think the rabid fringe activists represent all of us. I assume you’re Muslim given your username, so you must know how it feels when people assume a small number of your people who do bad things are somehow a representation of the larger community. Duh I’m ok people not specifically supporting our cause, especially if they have their own shit to deal with. But if they’re here telling us we’re getting undeserved attention and need to shut up, well I’m going to take issue with that.
Let’s take a specific example - the problems Muslims face in Europe who are threatened by bigotry and the rise of the far right. That’s getting a good chunk of airtime in the EU, more than trans rights. I’m not going to tell those Muslims protesting unfair treatment that they should talk about “broader rights” or also fight for trans rights because they obviously need to focus on the specific threat to their existence.
LGBT people and the BLM movement don’t control the media and it is not the responsibility of an oppressed group to talk for any other group, nor is it a good idea frankly. This is the same reasoning the men’s rights movement makes when they say feminists are not paying enough attention to men’s issues. The same argument the “all lives matter” group makes against the BLM movement. It’s a bad faith argument meant to derail the conversation from specific issues affecting specific communities. Movements fail when they lose focus, just ask anyone involved in Occupy Wall street.
I do understand how it feels to be villified as a minority so thank you for trying to connect with that. And you bring good points not to use a select few that misrepresent your group.
However, maybe it’s just me but every time I interact with someone from the LGBT community online, I am immediately attacked and called a bigot just because of my beliefs as a Muslim. You are literally the only one so far that has been respectful to me despite my hostile approach initially which I do apologize for.
Perhaps this goes to show that uniting on the basis of being a minority is not the way forward. There has to be a unifying ideology because once a group starts as a minority and accomplishes its goal, it no longer has a cause to fight for. Alhamdulillah, in Islam there is a goal for everyone to strive for in the Hereafter. Otherwise, people will be left aimless in this world.
The hypocrasy is unreal here. You expect everyone else to support LGBT but when it comes to supporting others’ rights it’s every man for himself.
Your reading comprehension is lacking - my point is exactly the opposite. I’m not going to shit on someone fighting for a cause that matters to them because they’re not taking time out of their day to fight for LGBT individuals. Also, you know it’s possible to support multiple causes simultaneously, right? My problem with BadAdvice is not that they’re fighting for native american rights, which is a just cause in my eyes. My problem is they’re telling us we shouldn’t be paying so much attention to LGBT issues because native american issues aren’t getting enough attention - as if that’s something LGBT individuals even desire or control.
Ok. So you are ok if there are people that don’t support your cause then correct? Because I see so many in your camp villifying those that stay silent or don’t support the cause.
You can fight for multiple causes. The problem BadAdvice is bringing up is that LGBT and a few other politically tensioned issues like BLM are the only ones that get media coverage. You have genocide happening in Palestine, Xinjiang region, Kashmir, etc. And no one bats an eye. Government doesn’t care about anything unless it involves them profiting off of it. Same goes for mainstream media because they know the left and right will get triggered when BLM and LGBT is brought up. So I understand BadAdvice’s plight.
What LGBT and BLM folks can do is switch the narrative and instead of talking about their specific rights, talk about the broader rights that extend to every group.
You need to get off the internet and meet some regular LGBT people if you think the rabid fringe activists represent all of us. I assume you’re Muslim given your username, so you must know how it feels when people assume a small number of your people who do bad things are somehow a representation of the larger community. Duh I’m ok people not specifically supporting our cause, especially if they have their own shit to deal with. But if they’re here telling us we’re getting undeserved attention and need to shut up, well I’m going to take issue with that.
Let’s take a specific example - the problems Muslims face in Europe who are threatened by bigotry and the rise of the far right. That’s getting a good chunk of airtime in the EU, more than trans rights. I’m not going to tell those Muslims protesting unfair treatment that they should talk about “broader rights” or also fight for trans rights because they obviously need to focus on the specific threat to their existence.
LGBT people and the BLM movement don’t control the media and it is not the responsibility of an oppressed group to talk for any other group, nor is it a good idea frankly. This is the same reasoning the men’s rights movement makes when they say feminists are not paying enough attention to men’s issues. The same argument the “all lives matter” group makes against the BLM movement. It’s a bad faith argument meant to derail the conversation from specific issues affecting specific communities. Movements fail when they lose focus, just ask anyone involved in Occupy Wall street.
I do understand how it feels to be villified as a minority so thank you for trying to connect with that. And you bring good points not to use a select few that misrepresent your group.
However, maybe it’s just me but every time I interact with someone from the LGBT community online, I am immediately attacked and called a bigot just because of my beliefs as a Muslim. You are literally the only one so far that has been respectful to me despite my hostile approach initially which I do apologize for.
Perhaps this goes to show that uniting on the basis of being a minority is not the way forward. There has to be a unifying ideology because once a group starts as a minority and accomplishes its goal, it no longer has a cause to fight for. Alhamdulillah, in Islam there is a goal for everyone to strive for in the Hereafter. Otherwise, people will be left aimless in this world.
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